VdoMemories Blazing Buck & Ball or Buck & Slugs

[SuperBlazingSabots]

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Please forgive me for being a bit lazy, and letting the pictures do the talking!
These are deadly loads for hogs or to keep them around camp where bears offten visit during the night looking for easy food, these loads are meant for a smooth bore barrel and if you were to put drops of wax on the buckshot from a candle ( drop by drop ) to form a buckshot cluster you will be extending the range a bit on each layer of buckshot!

Please do not pour melted wax into the shell for your own safety!!!!
Check the total weight of your payload before you choose your powder load!
If you were to fire them in a rifled barrel then you could end up with a donut shaped pattern of the buck shot, if at a close range then it would not be so bad
at all, say 20 to 25 yards on a charging hog with the slug or RB hitting first followed by a second wave of buck shots!
If nothing else the shock wave will kill in this case!
Hope it helps.
Ajay
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[Four-Sixty]

What fun! I am almost there on my Lee 1oz slug load, so I have been wondering what to try next. It sounds like it's time to "Cowboy up" ang give some of these loads a try.

I also want to play with some 20 ga 3" loads. Which hull from BPI would you reccomend Ajay, the Cheddite or the Fiocchi?

Chris

[Greg5278]

What kind of pattern are you getting? Most of the Buck and Ball or slug loads I have played with didn't work well. Most were throwing the Buckshot well beyond an 18" circle at 20-25 yards.
The onlyone that I wouldn't have second thoughts about using was a load from BPI called 1 shot stopping power. I used a foster slug wrapped in Teflon to take up the slack in the bore.
The slug was discontinued years ago, and I haven't found a good replacement yet. It was scored to fragment in 3 pieces.

I better option might be the 1 5/8" oz load of 0000 buck. I have found it to be hit or miss depending on the gun. It did manage several shots of 15-17" at 45 yards in a .726" cylinder bore. In tighter chokes somtimes it works, and sometimes it scatters to more than 36" at 35 yards. each pellet weighs 85gr.

I have been too busy to try my .660" TC slug with some buffered buck behind it. I would go with sizes that stack 3 on 3 like #1 or perhaps 7 on 7.

Greg

[SuperBlazingSabots]

Good morning Tree Rats, I just got 5 bags of Fed. 2 3/4 clear hull with Fed 209A magnum primers for $13.49 each if you buy 5 bags or more on special.
I like the clear one as its easy to identify the loads even tho I mark them!
BPI has the 2 3/4 brown Fiocchi hulls for $8.99

Hello Greg, you are right about buck shot spreading out, but thats why I put drops of wax from a candle to form a buckshot cluster. To give the buck shot and slugs a firmer base.
The main projectile is your slug or RB up front, the buck shot will help transmit the extra shock wave, just like whipped cream on a apple pie!

I personally do not have a gun with 3 1/2 inch chamber,because that will give us the hull space to switch the .170 nitro to .250 nitro card and greately help the load with a firmer base!

You are reffering to the Millar's foster slugs that would fragment into 3 pieces as they had a cut in them.
The buck and ball was put together after reading about hogs charging hunters at 10 to 20 yards, bears attacking hunters in the camp while asleep all at close range!
Ajay
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[grendelbane]

That brings back memories. I too assembled some of those BPI loads. Yes, they were tough on the shoulder.

Mine all patterned well, however. The slug would land at POA, and the 6 pellets would be grouped just above it.

That was probably 23 years ago. I am now too old to take that kind of recoil. I thuoght it was pretty stiff even back then.

[SuperBlazingSabots]

Greetings, since we are putting two loads in one ( Buck shot and slug )
We need to choose dense powders that will not consume too much hull space, the chart that I made to help me do just that:
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another thing very important is the OP wad, try using Powder Cup wad and you can put a .125-20 nitro card in top cavity to re-enforce the base. The .170 thick darker nitro card is vital to separate the Buckshot and slug, I would have loved to use .250 nitro card here but it would not fit unless I switch over to 3 1/2 inch hull.
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee75/Dantebeowulf/OPwadscopy.jpg
the first one on left is the Powder Cup wad.
Ajay
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Blazing Sabots, LLC
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[SuperBlazingSabots]

Greetings, in our Blazing Buck & Slug or our Blazing Buck & Ball loads we choose the next higher shot load data for Buck & Slug loads
1. For safety sake!
2. To attain much higher speed and gain a bit at longer range!

So for 2 oz shot load data, I'll use Blazing Sabot's 1 7/8 oz payload.
So for 1 3/4 oz shot load data, I'll use Blazing Sabot's 1 5 / 8 oz payload.
So for 1 5/8 oz shot load data, I'll use Blazing Sabot's 1 1 / 2 oz payload.

Be sure to use .170" Darker nitro card between the Buck shot and your 7/8 oz
Lee Drive Key slug for form a stronger barrier and good solid support!
Put the Slug or RB on top and fold crimp.

For OP wad try X12X or GS-2 ( second from left and 4 th from left in the picture ) and put yet another .170" Darker Nitro
card on top of the OP wad, these Darker nitro card can be had from BPI
and let them know you only want the Darker ones and will not accept the
Regular ones!
Just got some more Blazing Sabots loads on http://www.facebook.com/BlazingSabots?ref=hl
be sure to check them out and I'll be adding more!
Don't forget to leave your feed back and comments!
Its so amazing to see this family of Slug & Buck shooters so warm and caring
towards one another, my hats off to you all Brothers!!

Regards,
Ajay
BlazingSabots@Gmail.com
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[SuperBlazingSabots]

Good morning, time to have fun and blow up water filled bottle and see the wonderful effect of this double wave load's!
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Hoping it helps.

Best regards,
Ajay
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[vitralist]

Hello everyone, I work at one of Europes largest manufacturer of shotgun shell slug and buck shot manufacturers. I supervise the section of slug and buckshot shell production. The wealth and education I received from this forum is unbelievable. My hat goes off to you Vdomemorie, I think your name is Ajay. Thanks to you sir you saved my Job at the plant with all your revolutionary (recepies).
I haven't seen you lately. I hope all is well with you. Please keep up the good advice. John

[cpileri]

Vitralist,
So is Europe producing any loads inspired by this thread?
i'm sure we are interested!
C-

[vitralist]

Yes, we have picked up some good pointers, Our recipes are slightly different, Because our powders are different. Fortunately we do not have any shortages of powder. We mainly use Italian Powders. They send the slugs where you want them. The loads (as per Ajays) tutorials have improved with using nitro cards within the Wads and under wads. The rest is done with the powders. I tested a Lynam 525 slug (512gr actual weight) @ 160 meters. Well it shot the Target, a big square piece of marble, 1m.x1meter.This was done at an abandoned Quary. I am very gratefull to all that share their knowledge and make life more interesting. Thank you all.

[cpileri]

any chance of seeing some of those slugs?
or of an american importer?
C-

[jmort]

Ajay got run off. Huge loss.

[cpileri]

i got a message from Ajay, hope its ok to relay:


Hello Brother Cpileri, I sure am glad to see you here, we were hacked not to long ago right here by Drug dealer's and we had a mess on our hands and it took quite some effort to clean it up here, we are laying low and once things get ok we will open up the registration, I can't wait for that day!

I want to say something so you can help me convey my message:
1. There is no money in what I do with slugs or Sabots, I only did it to share my knowledge with my Elite Family of Slug shooter's who were very caring to me and believed in me and stood by me all along!
2. Its not the Forum that is good or bad, its the goodness of those people what makes it Great!
3. I found the very best group of humble slug shooters that encouraged me to further develop slug and sabot loading tech. and I really enjoyed their support ( My slug shooting family )
My Super Blazing Sabot project has been put on hold in the mean time for lack of support from family member's!

Being able to share ones idea's gives you such a Great feeling and I felt blessed among Cast Boolits Family Member's for they were Very Special!

Best regards,
Ajay
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[vitralist]

Cpireli wrote: (any chance of seeing some of those slugs?
or of an american importer?
C- )

Dear Cpireli, Like I mentioned we shoot the Lynam 525. Nothing different, as the mold was bought in the USA. And for competition
we use the lighter 7/8 Lee Key slug. Also we have customers that want the Gualandi slug attached to 1 1/8 slug. BPI calls it Big Dangerous Game. (my foot) Not so accurate. Now keep in mind our propellants are different than all the American propellants. You have to work up a load with a lot of trips to the range. Unfortunately the contract I have with the company I work for does not allow me to get into depth, or else I will be picking up a pink slip come Monday. LOL. I hope I covered you. best regards.
John

[SuperBlazingSabots]

Greetings, I sure do not want my efforts to get lost in the woodworks, these loads have a special purpose and worth having a few ready for if need be.
You won't regret having them handy !

These loads are for " When All Hell Breaks Loose "
and up close range !

Buy only Lee RB mold or Lee Drive Key Slug in wad 7/8 oz mold.
https://i.imgur.com/Y8weP67.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/rXbStf3.jpg

* * * * Are we not lucky Lee Precision for giving us great bullet molds at discounted prices when all others are cheating us on much higher prices !
* * * Buy hells from BPI only when on SALE.
* * Don't forget the Darker Nitro cards that we need to separate the Buck shots from the RB / Slug from BPI, they do a great job.

Best regards,
Ajay K. Madan
Super Blazing Sabots