308W Plinker Boolit

[MGySgt]

I have been looking for a boolit for my Ruger GS Scout. Most of what I see goes down past the neec and to keep the powder off the lube a filler is required (Dacron).

I really do not want to take the extra step of adding Dacron for the number of these that will be shot.

I was looking on the Accurate page and found this one the #31-150B. It appears as if the shank of the boolit will stay in the neck.

Anyone have thoughts about this design?

I did ask Tom@Accurate if he had any reports about this one in 308W - his answer was: No one has bought this except for the one that designed it for the 327 Federal Blackhawk.

[excess650]

I haven't taken delivery of my RGS yet, maybe tomorrow, but I have numerous moulds that I think will work. Among them are the Lee C-309-150-F, Lee C-312-155-2R, Saeco #311, RCBS 30-165-SIL, NOE K31, and the NOE 311008 with GC. Plainbase are NOE 311008 and Lee 311-100-2R.

That particular Accurate design looks good, but your rifle's throat will dictate whether the GC will be in the neck or not.

My hope is that the RGS has a shorter, tighter throat than my 700VS.

[ShooterAZ]

I have been using the Lee C-312-155-2R in both 30-06 and in 308WIN with very good results. I size to .311. I use 18 grains of 2400 in the 06, and 16 in the 308W. You do not need a filler, 2400 is not position sensitive. For an even milder "plinker" load I go with 10-12 grains of Unique no filler, but it has not been as accurate as the 2400 loads. Hope this helps.

[MGySgt]

I really should make an impression of my chamber to see just how the throat is. Need to see if I have a steel rod that fits my bore that I can use.

[Larry Gibson]

Please define "plinker"?

To me a "plinker" is a bullet used under 1200 fps. I mostly use PB'd cast bullets for that.

Larry Gibson

[MGySgt]

Plinker = any projectile that you use for practice, training, or fun - but not one that would be used for hunting.

Accuracy should be within 2.5 MOA (2 would be better) Velocity - what ever the boolit determined it need to stay within the accuracy limits.

Mainly what I am looking for is a step up from the 30/30's I am setting up for the grand kids - they can 'Graduate' to the 308 when they are proficent with the 30/30's. They can shoot them all year and with a different load (or velocity) they can hunt with the same rifles.

As age and size go up so does the power of the load.

I know no one boolit will fit that bill for the 308W - the NOE 311-165 does seem to fit it for the 30/30 but I feel the shank is too long for a 308.

May even have to go to J words for hunting. That would be at the most a box a year.

[Larry Gibson]

Sounds good now that we know the parameters. No problem that your definition is different, just a matter of perspective there on what we intend the use to be.

That Accurate bullet sure looks like it should work fine. I use the RCBS 30-150-FN in my .30s, in cluding several .308Ws for just such loads in the 1750 - 1950 fps range. With a capable rifle 1 1/2 - 2 moa accuray all day long is the norm. The Lee 155 and 160 gr bullets mentioned also work very well. I've GB 150 gr RD type but it doesn't feed well in some bolt guns in .308W. For hunting the 30-150-FN works well and the 311041 has worked well in every .308W I've used it in and the top of the GC does stay in the case neck. No reason that Accurate 150 gr cast bullet wouldn't work as well.

Larry Gibson

[MGySgt]

Larry,

I have the 31141 HP mould (factory HP). As you know that is a SC and SLOW to cast. I just finshed getting about 140 of them cast, now to let them sit awhile to age harden so the nose doesn't deform on me when I GC and size them. They will be for hunting only - I catch my son shooting those at tin can's I will skin him alive - they take too long to cast! :) I still need to work the load on those for the 30/30 (Savage 340) The shank on tose looked too long for the 308W.

I also looked at the NOE clone of RD's 311-165 and that shank is too long and from what I understand these Rugers have a short throat. Althought they could be seated deep and use dacron to keep the powder from the lube. The CG fits tight on the shank and I don't think it will come off in the case. After it is swaged down to 308 or so going down the barrel it shouldn't come off.

I like the looks of the Accurate boolit and THINK it would work just fine for what I want. Someone has offered to send me some boolits to try and before I make a decision I will wait on those.

I was looking for the RCBS 308-165 Sil - RCBS web site doesn't list it - many of their Rifle boolits are gone!

Drew

[Larry Gibson]

Having cast a lot of 311041 HPs I understand "skin him alive ", I would too[smilie=l:

I've found if seated so the top of the GC is right at the neck/ should junction mine chambers in all .308Ws I've tried it in. Only way to know about yours is to try. The 311041 is supposed to be a FN'd copy of the 311291 but I've found the front driving band of the 311041 isn't as large. I can't get a 311291 to fit in the .308W without seating it too deep.

Midway still catalogues the RCBS 30-150-FN (product #290-473) and the 308-168-SIL (product# 689-098), you might see if they still have them in stock on their site. But hey, that Accurate bullet looks good to me so if it floats your boat I say give it a try:grin:

Larry Gibson

[MGySgt]

Larry,

I noticed you refer to your Lyman as 311041 while mine is marked 311 41 no 0 is marked just a space. I thought I read somepace that the 311041 was a solid and the 311 41 was the factory hollow point.

Just curious as to the difference.

Mine are 165 grains without lube and GC.

I have some load development to do for the 30/30 with the 311 41 so it will be probvably next month before I can start for the 308 (gonna be out of town for the next 2 weeks). Just trying to figure out what boolits to try. I will try both of the 30's I currently have, but thinking there might be a better boolit out there for what I want/need.

Drew


Drew

[Larry Gibson]

31141 or 311041 Just depends on when they were made. I got mine in '69 or '70 and it is a factory HP mould. Cast of wws + 2% tin +50% lead they weigh 177 gr fully dressed in fashionable Javelina with Hornady foot wear.........

Larry Gibson

[MGySgt]

I don't know when mine was made. About 5 years ago I was walking by a table at a gun show and seen this mould on the table. Picked it up, looked it over, screws are buggered, but the mould it's self looked very good. I asked how much and the guy said $10.

I almost broke my arm getting my wallet out so fast - and no I didn't set it down until I got to the car!

And before anyone asks - It isn't for sale.

[excess650]

As to your original question, after checking the chamber/throat of my RGS, that design will keep the entire GC in the neck.

[RayinNH]

Drew the new Graf & Sons catalogue I just received a couple days ago also lists the RCBS 308-165-SIL. It's $71.99 for a two cavity mold...Ray

[MGySgt]

RayInNH - I just seen that last night (got my catalog yesterday). Still trying to decide where I want to start first with the 308W - that Accurate boolit looks good!