30/30 advice needed

[ROCKET]

Wondering if I need gas checks with cast bullets on my marlin 30/30 or my 1958 30/30 win. Want to experiment with 115/150 and 170 gr cast boolits over some pistol powder like w231/trailboss/unique etc...

Anyone here tried Penn bullets 150gr fp ? They are not gc but they claim with withstand 2000fps...

[JDL]

I use Lyman 311241, plain base, with 6 grains of Unique and it is nicely accurate. As long as the velocity is kept down below 1400 fps, you should not have any problems. A word of warning: These are so much fun to shoot you'd better make up a lot before going to the range!:-)

[Throckmorton]

get ALL jacket material out of the bore 1st,and u'll be fine. and as JDL says,fun to shoot !

[ROCKET]

I use Lyman 311241, plain base, with 6 grains of Unique and it is nicely accurate. As long as the velocity is kept down below 1400 fps, you should not have any problems. A word of warning: These are so much fun to shoot you'd better make up a lot before going to the range!:-)


thanks JDL ! Do you know where I might purchase some ? Can I load these in the magazine ?

[runfiverun]

Anyone here tried Penn bullets 150gr fp ? They are not gc but they claim with withstand 2000fps...

that's called advertising.
they probalbly tell you they are somewhere between 18 and 100 bhn in the next sentence.
if you want to shoot them as a 30-30 instead of a 32 acp you'll need gas checks.
if you just wanna pook them out at about 1k fps then a plain base will work.
for the winchester the rcbs 150fngc mold with a 300 nose and 310 body will work as intended.
i would recommend you look at a ranch dog mold [the rd 165] for the marlin.

[frnkeore]

You will not get 2000 fps with any PB bullet.

I shoot my 30 calibers at approx 1470 w/o any trouble.

14.0 gr of 4227 is a good PB 30/30 load. It give approx 1400 fps with a 187 gr bullet depending on barrel length.

Frank

[Larry Gibson]

Frank

Oh he can get 2000 fps with that PB'd bullet easily in the 30-30......it's the hittin' anything with it that will be the hard part:groner:

rocket bend

As all have mentioned, GCs are needed for what you want. Frank is absolutely correct that PB'd cast bullets can be very accurate below 1500 fps.

Larry Gibson

[ROCKET]

Thanks very much for he good advice....

There still so much to learn :coffee:

[Huntsman]

I shoot LEE 170gr GC booits cast from WW's with 24grs AA 5744. I get 2000 fps with these loads from my Win '94 Centenial with 26" barrel and they group nicely @ 100yds.
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[pls1911]

You'll shoot plain base until you scrub your bore ...and then shoot nothing but gas checks after that.
I've shot many IHMSA matches and a kazillion hunting rounds in gas checked 30-30 , .308, 45-70 and 7-TCU, and never has one trace of leading and always came away with easily cleaned, pristine barrels.
Gas checks...for me, the only way to go.

[makicjf]

I shoot the lee 170 gc straight ww, water dropped sized .311 in a .3095 marlin over 30 of IMR 3031. Kills pigs dead. (work up, its safe in my gun... your mileage may vary) shoots 2 1/2 to 3 inch groups at 100 yards all day with no lead. I do not know the fps, but guessing about 2000.
Jason

[geargnasher]

I did a LOT of work last summer with un-checked and plain-based boolits in my Marlin .30-30. What I found is that anything over 1200 fps leaded the throat something fierce, and that killed accuracy in a few shots. My solution was to make paper gas checks punched out of manilla folder material, form them with a .30 cal top punch and .311" sizing die with the gas check seater installed on the Lyman 450, then glue them on the boolit bases with Elmer's spray adhesive and size/lube like normal. This eliminated leading entirely up to nearly 1800 FPS with the Lee 170 RF boolit, but accuracy went away somewhere between 1500-1600. I decided that since my wage is more than a box of Hornady checks per hour, and I spent a lot of time making the paper checks, I wasn't saving any money using them for plinkers. Any kind of check, including the plain-based beer-can checks from several of the check tool makers, makes a world of difference whether you popcorn loads or full-house hunting loads.

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