The buy for the .45 collar button starts here.

[Catshooter]

This is a group buy for the .45 collar button that .45 2.1 has designed for us. The lube groove is huge, so this boolit should work for small to tall. Target diameter is .461, with a weight of about 156 grains and it should size down to .451 without losing the groove. It'll also hold plenty of lube for the Holy Black, should you be so inclined. 45 2.1 will post a picture shortly for y'all do drool on.

Cost is $60 for a six gang Lee custom mould. This includes $2 for this wonderful board. I ship USPS Priority, but with no insurence. Out of country? PM me for how to pay.

Now I am running more than one buy, so it's very important you tell me what buy you want in on and and your screen name. Some of us write, well, lets just say I can't read what some write, so I must have your screen name.

PM me for my address. I take checks or money orders. I'll hold the buy open for a month, (unless we need more time) then issue last call, then close it. After I mail the moulds, I'll wait a month and then offer up any extras for sale, if any. I can't control the USPS, so if it doesn't arrive there's not alot I can do. Their insurence system just isn't worth messing with, but if someone wants it, let me know and I'll let you know how much.


Should be fun, and a hell of a mould.


Cat

Checks arrived:

29407
38001
96055

[45 2.1]

The Collar Button:

[Four Fingers of Death]

Bugger! Another interesting one! :(

[Bigjohn]

Is this a copy of the LYMAN 457130 mold?

I have one unused in the black and grey banded cardboard box. Does anyone know what size it would drop from these molds?

One coming out at .461" may be the way to go.

John.

[hicard]

Are you going to use the GB web for this buy?

[Catshooter]

No sir. I'm too old-fashioned.


Cat

[hicard]

Check is in tomorrows mail. hicard 96055

[alamogunr]

This looks interesting but I'm not sure I know enough to use it. What are possible uses for such a boolet??

John

[45 2.1]

This looks interesting but I'm not sure I know enough to use it. What are possible uses for such a boolet??

John

Can be used from as cast at 0.461" done to about 0.446" or lower if you use a push thru die. Any rifle caliber covering those dimensions. Any pistol caliber covering those dimensions. It feeds in the 45 ACP from the magazine and will shoot to your hunting load sights in a shorter barreled 4570. Not too bad a deal for such a little boolit.

[Johnch]

What , no crimp grove :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

LOL just joking

I think I will have to send you a check

Johnch

[C A Plater]

I'm in. Moola will go out tomorrow.

[Edward429451]

I want that mould. A week or two of savin my lunch money and I'll send ya a check. Should be plenty of time. 80907

[Johnch]

I am droping a check in the mail Monday

Thanks
John

[alamogunr]

Can be used from as cast at 0.461" done to about 0.446" or lower if you use a push thru die. Any rifle caliber covering those dimensions. Any pistol caliber covering those dimensions. It feeds in the 45 ACP from the magazine and will shoot to your hunting load sights in a shorter barreled 4570. Not too bad a deal for such a little boolit.

Check went in the mail Friday. I'm really looking forward to this one. It looks like an ideal short range plinker for the .45 revolvers and might work unsized in the .45-70 lever action. Although I have the round nose .45 GB mold coming (I hope it gets here soon), if this works in the .45 ACP, it will save some of my valuable stash of WW.

John

[Catshooter]

Checks arrived:

29407
38001
96055
43445
65759
74074


Cat

[StrawHat]

Catshooter:

Funds going out in am mail.

Thanks for running this one.

StrawHat

[Four Fingers of Death]

I'm in, Floodgate will send the coin as I sent him some stuff from sunny orstralia!

[Catshooter]

Checks arrived:

29407
38001
96055
43445
65759
74074
NSW 2795
04035
79424
35803
01525
57317 - Thanks for the article.
80907

Cat

[Four Fingers of Death]

As we aussies say:

"onya catshooter!"

[Catshooter]

Mick,

I guess that's a good thing, huh?:)


Cat

[Bodydoc447]

Got a check out to you this morning. Thanks for running this one, too!

Doc

[Four Fingers of Death]

Mick,

I guess that's a good thing, huh?:)


Cat

'Onya! as in Good on Ya!!!!!!'

We tend to abbreviate things, as most countries do.

Mick

[dragonrider]

Cat,
The check is in the mail for the collar button mold.
Thanks for doing this. I think this one is going to be fun to shoot.

[Edward429451]

Check sent.

Edward429451

80907

[IcerUSA]

Cat, would like to get in on this mold but will need till about the middle of May to get the funds to you, when do you plan on last call on this GB ? Keith

[Bigjohn]

Cat,
I'd like to be in this one. Is there a closing date as I've stretched tings a little just now.

A firm date and I may make it.

John

[BluesBear]

I have one unused in the black and grey banded cardboard box. Does anyone know what size it would drop from these molds?

My old book shows 145gr using #2 alloy.

[Catshooter]

Gentlemen,

I have only 10 or so checks, so my guess is this will close the end of May.


Cat

[Scrounger]

Dromia asked me to handle the money transfer thing for him again on this buy. Let me know when to send you money and for any other information you may need. You will be shipping the mold to him again.

[ron brooks]

I'll be mailing mine this coming week.

Ron

[Catshooter]

A member PMed me and asked if I knew the top punch needed for this boolit. Of course I don't:wink: .

Does anybody know? Lyman (or Ideal) must have one for it.

I know that as a last resort you can take a TP that's too big and fill the nose with epoxy and cast your own.


Cat

[floodgate]

Catshooter:

Lyman's 2nd Edition "Cast Bullet Handbook" (also on CASTPICS) lists Top Punch #130 for the .45 Collar Button. It's an odd nose shape, and I don't see any others like it. But the current #374 for the various round-nose .45's might work OK.

floodgate

[BluesBear]

Well as you can see from the image I attached to my last post, the #457130 uses the 130 Top Punch and seating stem. [smilie=s:

The mould number is a clue:
457 indicates the diameter Lyman/Ideal planned on the bullet being AFTER sizing.130 means this was the very first bullet with that nose contour.
In this case I believe it was the only bullet to have this particular nose.

Based on images of other moulds from that same time period, you might get away wih using a #374, or a #191 or a #251 top punch.
I say might because there's really nothing else with that nose.

I plan on sizing mine with a Lee push through and then tumbling lubing.



I think Lee (or [smilie=1: some other enterprising soul) is missing the boat by not offering (at an additional cost of course) custom top punches and seating stems with their custom moulds. Since Lee already has all of the specifications it would be a simple matter to lathe cut one on a blank.
I know I'd glady pay a little more for them.

[Four Fingers of Death]

Well as you can see from the image I attached to my last post, the #457130 uses the 130 Top Punch and seating stem. [smilie=s:

The mould number is a clue:
457 indicates the diameter Lyman/Ideal planned on the bullet being AFTER sizing.130 means this was the very first bullet with that nose contour.
In this case I believe it was the only bullet to have this particular nose.

Based on images of other moulds from that same time period, you might get away wih using a #374, or a #191 or a #251 top punch.
I say might because there's really nothing else with that nose.

I plan on sizing mine with a Lee push through and then tumbling lubing.



I think Lee (or [smilie=1: some other enterprising soul) is missing the boat by not offering (at an additional cost of course) custom top punches and seating stems with their custom moulds. Since Lee already has all of the specifications it would be a simple matter to lathe cut one on a blank.
I know I'd glady pay a little more for them.

That's what I like about Cast Bullet Engineering in Sydney. I have bought a lot of moulds off him and got the top punch at the same time.

[ron brooks]

Mailed my Money Order today.

Ron

[BluesBear]

NEI makes almost the same boolit as their #332C.

And the good news is thay also make a matching top punch!
$12 for the Lyman/RCBS version and $18 for the Star/SAECO version.

So I think I'm going to have to have one of these too.

[Boomer Mikey]

Size nose first with a flat base punch then lube in another step. The little flat spot on the nose won't hurt anything.

If last call is in mid May, Ill be in on this.

Boomer :Fire:

[Mason]

This is a group buy for the .45 collar button that .45 2.1 has designed for us. The lube groove is huge, so this boolit should work for small to tall. Target diameter is .461, with a weight of about 156 grains and it should size down to .451 without losing the groove. It'll also hold plenty of lube for the Holy Black, should you be so inclined. 45 2.1 will post a picture shortly for y'all do drool on.

Cost is $60 for a six gang Lee custom mould. This includes $2 for this wonderful board. I ship USPS Priority, but with no insurence. Out of country? PM me for how to pay.

Now I am running more than one buy, so it's very important you tell me what buy you want in on and and your screen name. Some of us write, well, lets just say I can't read what some write, so I must have your screen name.

PM me for my address. I take checks or money orders. I'll hold the buy open for a month, (unless we need more time) then issue last call, then close it. After I mail the moulds, I'll wait a month and then offer up any extras for sale, if any. I can't control the USPS, so if it doesn't arrive there's not alot I can do. Their insurence system just isn't worth messing with, but if someone wants it, let me know and I'll let you know how much.


Should be fun, and a hell of a mould.


Cat

Checks arrived:

29407
38001
96055
Catshooter I sent you a private message about the purchase of one of these moulds.
I am new to this board.

Thanks
Mason

[Scrounger]

dromia, your money order went out today to CatShooter (CarpetMan must get a boner every time he reads that name...) for this mold. He should get it Thursday.

[Catshooter]

Mason,

Welcome to the somewhat controlled madness here. I responded to your PM.

Boomer,

I'm sure it will more likely be end of May for last call, you've got time.


Cat

[dromia]

Many Thanks Scrounger. :-D

[Edward429451]

Cat, you get my check yet? 80907

Hoping you misread the 29407 zip

Thought you should have gotten it by now.

[Poorboy]

Catshooter, I do not want to miss this!

Poorboy

[Jim]

Cat,
What is the deadline for ordering this mold? I've got good use for this one!

Jim
COLTNEWSERVICE@YAHOO.COM

[Catshooter]

As I said in an earlier post, at a guess I would think this buy will close around the end of May.

Checks arrived:

29407
38001
96055
43445
65759
74074
NSW 2795
04035
79424
35803
01525
57317 - Thanks for the article.
80907
79084
DH3 2AY
95124
34456
63010
48867

Cat

[ron brooks]

Catshooter,

Has my MO showed up yet?

Ron Brooks
79084

[gregg]

[QUOTE=
57317 - Thanks for the article.

Cat[/QUOTE]

Your welcome. Happy to do it. Thanks for the great molds.

[no34570]

Catshooter
PM you about getting this boolit
I'd like to be on this also,also I'm in Australia as is 4fingermick and Bigjohn.
Hope it can happen?
Cheers
no34570

[Clyde]

I will put payment for one mold in the mail today.

[Boomer Mikey]

My check is in todays mail for this one.

Thanks for letting this one hang around a while.

You got me with the reprint of the article.


Boomer :Fire:

[BluesBear]

You got me with the reprint of the article.

:confused: *******Article???

[Boomer Mikey]

:confused: *******Article???



-February 1984- [The BlackPowder Report: page 35: "The Collar-Button, 45-70 Bullet", by Ben Johnson.]

He reports good success with Unique at 9.0 grains giving 1200 fps and another of his "pet" loads is 16 grains of IMR 4227 for 1200 fps which appears to be the "sweet spot" velocity with this bullet design. Ben makes the comment that the most common load listed among all the old manuals was 5 grains of unique giving 900 fps velocity.

More load data is available here: http://www.shilohrifle.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6776&view=previous&sid=67ddb5719bedd81c68232279495b1c81

Use of forum/web data should be verified against loading manuals and other sources... use with caution!

Boomer :Fire:

[no34570]

-February 1984- [The BlackPowder Report: page 35: "The Collar-Button, 45-70 Bullet", by Ben Johnson.]

He reports good success with Unique at 9.0 grains giving 1200 fps and another of his "pet" loads is 16 grains of IMR 4227 for 1200 fps which appears to be the "sweet spot" velocity with this bullet design. Ben makes the comment that the most common load listed among all the old manuals was 5 grains of unique giving 900 fps velocity.

More load data is available here: http://www.shilohrifle.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6776&view=previous&sid=67ddb5719bedd81c68232279495b1c81

Use of forum/web data should be verified against loading manuals and other sources... use with caution!

Boomer :Fire:
Where would one get a copy of this.......anyone?
:castmine:
:drinks:
no34570

[no34570]

Hi
Ya reckon this 45 Collar button boolit could be used for hunting,say pigs?[smilie=1:
Should I dare to say it........Deer?:roll:
Would you use fast powders in this,like W231 Bullseye Unique or what does anyone else suggest.?:)

I'm using a Ruger #3 in 45/70 and have mainly Aussie powders in my cupboard from ADI.
Any info would be a help and greatly received

no34570:coffee:

[ron brooks]

I would be concerned about penetration with it being as light as it is for pigs and deer. I would expect it to be great for small game though.

Ron

[Catshooter]

Checks arrived:

29407
38001
96055
43445
65759
74074
NSW 2795
04035
79424
35803
01525
57317 - Thanks for the article.
80907
79084
DH3 2AY
95124
34456
63010
48867
64093
18707
94591
3889 Australia
10009
65203

Cat

[Catshooter]

Last call gentlemen. If you want in, now's the time.


Cat

[Hackleback]

I am in, just need to scratch some $$ together. Will get funds out shortly.

[Catshooter]

This buy is now closed.


Cat

[BluesBear]

Drats I missed another one.
This getting a check once a month is killing me.

[alamogunr]

It has been almost 3 months since this GB closed. I thought it should be boosted back to the 1st page so we don't forget about it. Maybe by the time it gets here the temperatures in Tennessee will be back below 100º.

[Edward429451]

Forget about it? LOL I have 45 2.1's drawing of it as my desktop background, think about it daily. I have brass already prepped and set aside just for these boolits. I haven't decided on a load yet, but I prolly have until Thanksgivi er I mean Halloween to decide. :mrgreen:

I bet this boolit would also be a good plinking boolit in the BFR's. This GB has caused me to go look at the BFR's a few times now...

[45 2.1]

Here is another one to turn your head. 0.462" 225 gr.

[Edward429451]

Whoa that is a nice one. Looks like it'd be good to go in the tube mags of LA rifles too. I must've missed that one!

So does anyone have any load data for the collar button boolit? I dug around last night for some and came up empty.

I looked at the BFR's again too. They're not really that much looking at the big picture...

[45 2.1]

Whoa that is a nice one. Looks like it'd be good to go in the tube mags of LA rifles too. I must've missed that one!
Not a GB, but if someone wants to run it....???

[Boomer Mikey]

Whoaaaaa!

If someone runs it I want one.

I didn't care for the collar button but I like that one, it should be great in the Marlin 1895CB and it looks like it would do well with the black... plenty of grease capacity there.

Boomer :Fire:

[dromia]

Count me in if this gets going.

:castmine:

[Lucky Joe]

Here is another one to turn your head. 0.462" 225 gr.

If you would pour the nose pure lead and the rest WW. That should make a good Whitetail boolit to my thinking or am I thinking too early in the day. What are you guys planning on shooting this in?

[45 2.1]

If you would pour the nose pure lead and the rest WW. That should make a good Whitetail boolit to my thinking or am I thinking too early in the day. What are you guys planning on shooting this in?

Made to be sizeable from 0.451" up to as cast diameter. Good in any cartridge that it will fit. A real hoot in a trapdoor. Blackpowder guys should love it in the 45 Colt/Schofield. Good for oversize cylinders in the pistol calibers.

[no34570]

Made to be sizeable from 0.451" up to as cast diameter. Good in any cartridge that it will fit. A real hoot in a trapdoor. Blackpowder guys should love it in the 45 Colt/Schofield. Good for oversize cylinders in the pistol calibers.

I'd be interested in this as well,so are we going to do a group buy for this?[smilie=1:
If so I'm in:-D
no34570

[Hackleback]

Another GB that appears to have fallen off the radar of many. It looks like we have recieved several GB's from Lee as of late. Any idea where this one is in the que?

Not looking to push any one's buttons............

[Catshooter]

We just be waitin', just waitin'.


Cat

[mag44uk]

If any one wants to back out and sell me their collar button mould,please let me know.
Regards,
Tony

[Spudgunr]

Same here, I'd take a collar button off your hands, or I'd be in for that 225 grain if a GB on that gets started. (If a collar button is available, PM'ing me would be best as I don't always check the GB forum or all the threads)

[C A Plater]

There is one available on the benefit auction forum. If you missed it before, now is your chance.
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?p=239351#post239351

[Mojo^]

Here is another one to turn your head. 0.462" 225 gr.

I'd be in for one of those. That looks like it would be a HOOT in a lever.

[Johnch]

Here is another one to turn your head. 0.462" 225 gr.


I would take at least 1 :drinks:

Johnch

[Aaron]

I'd be in on the 462 225gr

Aaron

[94Doug]

I'd take someone's collar button mould...

Doug

[45 2.1]

Need a Honcho for this:
0.463" 225 gr.
Who will do it?

[Mojo^]

A separate feeler thread for 45 2.1's 0.463" 255 gr. boolit has been posted at http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?p=246481#post246481 .

[Dave C.]

Think that there is a chance of this mould being a X-mass present?[smilie=1:

[Catshooter]

I'm fairlly certain I can promise that by Christmas they'll be in your hands. Now which year we're talking about I can't say. :)


Cat

[Edward429451]

I just put that mould out of my mind for the time being. It'll show sooner or later. I quenched my new boolit to cast thirst with a 12 ga Foster slug mould meantime. This thing makes purrdy slugs and casts real easy.:drinks:

[hicard]

I guess this isn't going to make it for Christmas 2007

[StrawHat]

I guess this isn't going to make it for Christmas 2007

Missed by just a bit

Thanks again Catshooter.

[Edward429451]

Dum de dum. Sure would be nice to have a collar button mould....

Maybe a phonecall to Lee is in order to bring us back up to the top of the desk??

:drinks:

I have piles of brass just waitin'...

[StrawHat]

Dum de dum. Sure would be nice to have a collar button mould....

Maybe a phonecall to Lee is in order to bring us back up to the top of the desk??

:drinks:

I have piles of brass just waitin'...

Edward429451

Check out this thread.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=23514

[Edward429451]

Dang! They're here. Didn't even know. Thanks for the heads up Straw Hat.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?p=272322#post272322

Just in case anyone else didn't see the other thread...:drinks:

[Catshooter]

Yours goes out Friday Ed.


Cat

[Edward429451]

Whohoo! Thanks catshooter.

[Edward429451]

Got it! Thanks catshooter.

Anyone planning on trying Trailboss with these? I have some but where to start?

[alamogunr]

Got mine yesterday. 38001
Thanks

[trail troll]

got mine today

02745


nice little boolit!

[45-70 Plinker]

Is this a copy of the LYMAN 457130 mold?

I have one unused in the black and grey banded cardboard box. Does anyone know what size it would drop from these molds?

One coming out at .461" may be the way to go.

John.

I'll take it if you still got it and want to part with it.
stanleymills@att.net

[Catshooter]

All gone Stanley, I'm sorry.


Cat