Help With Hollywood Powder Measures

[LUBEDUDE]

I currently have 5-6 visually different looking Hollywood powder measures. They all measure great and about the same. I was wondering if anyone knew if there was any chronological order to the different changes that were made wtih these measurses?
Pressman, Kevin, are you out there?

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This one is the see through drum and non coated housing, I have two of these from two different sources.


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This is the regular ol' stock one with the drum fitting flush on the the left, cast aluminum housing-coated.


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This one has a large gear on the left of the drum - as if to drive something when you turn the crank. I would love to know the purpose of this. Did this come off of a
Hollywood Automatic Shotgun Press? Those that supposedly had a rate of 1800 rounds per hour.


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This one has a small gear on the left in the center of the drum. Again, what is the purpose? Auto press?

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And lastly - this is a heavy mother, a solid cast iron measue. Notice no hand crank on the right. The micrometer is encased in a steel shroud which is the crank.
And the powder hopper is NOT screwed in by wimpy threads, it is just inset 3/4 inch down - pretty stable.

These are 5 totally different measures. And I was wondering if there was an evolution in chronological order to these things or if it was just haphazard.

With the exception of the shrouded/no crank measure which is cast iron, all others are cast aluminum.

I mentioned 6 different measres, well, if you include the shot measure, that makes 6.

I did not want to empty my shot measre for pics. It looks the same externally as the flush drum powder measure. The top of the drum has been ground down in a tapered groove fashion for about a 1/2-3/4 inch so the shot will not jam up the action so much when you turn the crank. And it does make a big difference.

[Janoosh]

I have both a Hollwood Powder and a Shot measure. It is impossible to tell them apart from the outside. The last measure in your photos, with the micrometer in the handle, looks just like those models. Mine are circa 1970. A very heavy measure. Aluminum cap. Hopper not threaded.

[Pressman]

The top picture would be the first model, early. It is the one shown in the patent drawing. 2nd version has the bench clamp, an open through the center drum and black paint.

2nd Model has a closed center, domed profile drum with aluminum construction.
3rd Model is your last picture. Heavy, cast iron. Curiously the drum is drilled and tapped for what would be a handle that was never made.
Ken

Geared drums are from the auto presses.

[LUBEDUDE]

Thank you Janoosh for your input!

And thank you Pressman! I knew you would come through.

Yes that 3rd model has two tapped holes on the left side that are left open.


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[ReloaderFred]

Thank you, Pressman. That means mine is the second version, with the bench clamp and black paint.

Fred

[kd185]

any information or pics on these "auto presses"
would love to see one

[LUBEDUDE]

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Hollywood Auto Press

Never have seen one, but I sure would like to buy one!

Proclaimed Rate- 1800 rounds per hour

This one is for shotgun. Most if not all ads and info are about the shotgun. Pressman may correct me if I am wrong, but I believe I came across something about an Auto Press for Metallic cartridges. May have been a rarity or maybe me just wishing. I will have to dig around.

[ReloaderFred]

When I was rangemaster for our department back in the late 1970's, we had one of those automatic Hollywood presses for loading practice shotgun shells. I took it to the owner of Hollywood at that time in Reseda, CA, and had him do his conversion for automatically feeding the wads from a rectangular tube. It really speeded up the process of loading shotgun shells.

The only drawback was unless you had a hull under every station at all times, shot and powder went everywhere. I don't know whatever happened to that machine, but it was certainly a good one, and I loaded many a shotgun shell on it.

Hope this helps.

Fred

[LUBEDUDE]

Thanks Fred!

Yeah it seems the only time I hear about Auto Presses, it has to do with LE or Club/Ranges. I reckon at $550 for back in the day that was just out of range for most individuals. That's the last price I heard of.

And of course the drawback of many progrssive shotshell reloaders is that hulls must be under the chutes at all times or else! Even the ever so perfect Spolar! ha ha and Mecs just to name a few.

[kd185]

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Hollywood Auto Press

Never have seen one, but I sure would like to buy one!

Proclaimed Rate- 1800 rounds per hour

This one is for shotgun. Most if not all ads and info are about the shotgun. Pressman may correct me if I am wrong, but I believe I came across something about an Auto Press for Metallic cartridges. May have been a rarity or maybe me just wishing. I will have to dig around.


never even heard of one of these before
and i consider myself a fan of hollywood
as i own 3 of them already
4 if i can get my hands on one of those

[seagiant]

Hi Lube,
Unfortunatly you are correct! There were to many more economical solutions to reloading shotshells I'm afraid. I sold my "perfect" Spolar Gold as I didn't really need it and I have to much fun with my 50's loaders! Here is one a DL-300 that is my favorite. When I first got it it wanted to have problems at the wad station. You had to remember to push the bar with the wad guide down so when the wad seat rod came down the wad fingers were in the top of the hull!!! A new more stout wad guide fixed that and it now seats the wad by its self with no problems! Just a example,of course there was many more as you said!

[LUBEDUDE]

That is a nice machine you have there SG. And that is so awesome that you were able to improve upon it!

I hope no one thinks that I am picking on Spolars, for I have one of these marvels myself.


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[LUBEDUDE]

never even heard of one of these before
and i consider myself a fan of hollywood
as i own 3 of them already
4 if i can get my hands on one of those


Let's be fair now and keep the cost down for everyone. Let's not have any bidding wars.

I'm first in line, and you are second. :razz:


Just like, Kevin is first in line for the Super Turret, and I'm second. :razz:

Right, Kevin? [smilie=p:

[kd185]

Let's be fair now and keep the cost down for everyone. Let's not have any bidding wars.

I'm first in line, and you are second. :razz:


Just like, Kevin is first in line for the Super Turret, and I'm second. :razz:

Right, Kevin? [smilie=p:

whats the super turret
that the one with the 12 stations and 4 shell holders
almost had one of those at a good price but i decided
1, i like my redding t7 to much
and 2, didnt have the disposable income right now
:(
tired of being responsable

[kd185]

my current setups

P/W800C
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-VUJXQWv2snw/TH7qKQt5K2I/AAAAAAAAAHQ/fXc-THi2Nuc/s512/pw.jpg

Hollywood senior turret
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Redding T7
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Hollywood single stage
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[seagiant]

Hi,
WOW! That Hollywood Turrent,loading 50BMG rounds just made my wallpaper! Thought I would show one more pic of the DL-300 after some new S/P tubes and a new charge bar! Thanks for the pics!

[LUBEDUDE]

Definitely nice setups Kd!

I like how you put your Redding on a strong mount.



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My 800B for field loads.


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This is what you asked about. This as a Universal III, NOT a Super Turret. III (Three) being it has 3 turrets, a die head holding 12, a shelholder, holding 4, and a primer post turret, holding 4 also. They were made in cast aluminum alloy and cast iron alloy.


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The one on the right is a Super Turret. If you look close at the bottom linkage where the press arm attaches, on the right and left are threaded holes where Swage rods attach and go all the way up to the die head. Just like on your Senior Turret.
You will also notice the cap is square shaped rather than rounded.
This pic is from another thread on this forum, not my bench. The one in the middle is a better pic of the Universal III than the one on my bench with poor lighting.



BTW KD, did you say you had 3 Hollywoods? Do you have a pic of the third?

[Kevin Rohrer]

Just like, Kevin is first in line for the Super Turret, and I'm second.

Right, Kevin?

Right! I WILL eventually get one.

And I know where there is a Hollywood Auto Press. The owner never used it, and has allowed it to deteriorate, but it is rust-free. I am negotiating for it.

[LUBEDUDE]

Right! I WILL eventually get one.

And I know where there is a Hollywood Auto Press. The owner never used it, and has allowed it to deteriorate, but it is rust-free. I am negotiating for it.

Ah Kevin you're killing me! :killingpc


No, good for you man!

Post pics when you get it! Please!

[kd185]

my 3rd hollywood is another pristine senior turret i dont currently have setup
im thinking about selling it to be honest
not sure why i bought it
it looked so good sitting there
and it talked to me
said " take me home to be with my long lost brothers"
but i dont really need it
guess i thought i was saving it
crazy thinking

[Kevin Rohrer]

Here is a pic taken with a poor quality phone. Like I said, it has deteriorated and I don't know if it is still functional.

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[Kevin Rohrer]

If anyone has a Senior Turret and needs a tie bar for it, or has a a B&M powder measure and is missing its brass cap, I know a machinist who is making replacements.

[kd185]

sell it to me
im sure i can get it up and running





Here is a pic taken with a poor quality phone. Like I said, it has deteriorated and I don't know if it is still functional.

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[Roundnoser]

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Hollywood Auto Press

Never have seen one, but I sure would like to buy one!

Proclaimed Rate- 1800 rounds per hour

This one is for shotgun. Most if not all ads and info are about the shotgun. Pressman may correct me if I am wrong, but I believe I came across something about an Auto Press for Metallic cartridges. May have been a rarity or maybe me just wishing. I will have to dig around.

In 1961 that press listed for $575.00 The write up on its stated:
"Here is a production turret reloading tool of speed, accuracy and durability, combining the perfection of material, design and workmanship so greatly desired by shotshell reloaders.
Reloads 1800 shells per hour in a progressive, rotating system. Picks up its own shell automatically, the continues all succeeding operations....finally ejects the perfectly reloaded shell; all this with each smooth up and down stroke of the operating handle.
...Comes with Hollywood dies, new fully adjustable Hollywood Powder and Shot Measure with ample capacities for the largest shotshells. No charge bars and their extra cost, are required...."

[kd185]

OKOKOK ill take it
send me an email and lets negotiate the price
:p:p:p



In 1961 that press listed for $575.00 The write up on its stated:
"Here is a production turret reloading tool of speed, accuracy and durability, combining the perfection of material, design and workmanship so greatly desired by shotshell reloaders.
Reloads 1800 shells per hour in a progressive, rotating system. Picks up its own shell automatically, the continues all succeeding operations....finally ejects the perfectly reloaded shell; all this with each smooth up and down stroke of the operating handle.
...Comes with Hollywood dies, new fully adjustable Hollywood Powder and Shot Measure with ample capacities for the largest shotshells. No charge bars and their extra cost, are required...."

[ReloaderFred]

I seriously doubt the claim of 1,800 rounds loaded per hour, having used one for 2 1/2 years back in the late 1970's. That rate doesn't factor in loading hulls into the tube, primers, powder, shot and wads. It was certainly faster than most other machines available at the time, but not that fast.

Even with the modification done to our machine that automatically fed wads , those wads still had to be laid into the rectangular tubing on their sides, and the machine turned them upright and fed them into the hull, but it only held about 20 or 25 wads, if I remember correctly. The hulls also had to be stacked in the loading tube, and it didn't hold that many.

Don't get me wrong, it was a great machine, and I loaded lots of 12 guage hulls with it, but I never reached anything near that rate of production. In fact, I liked the machine, and it was way ahead of it's time.

Hope this helps.

Fred

[LUBEDUDE]

That 1800 rounds per hour is pure marketing hype. Just like saying a Dillon 1050 will load 1000 rounds per hour. That is assuming that you can keep your primers filled and bullet tray filled as well as cases. And of course no interruptions or mess ups.

The load rate is extrapolated from one "load" of whatever magazine runs out first. Usuallly the primers.

[LUBEDUDE]

Kevin- Congratulations on your Auto Press! [smilie=p:

I'm sure you will clean it up as good as your others.

Please let us see the "after" results.

[Roundnoser]

That 1800 rounds per hour is pure marketing hype. Just like saying a Dillon 1050 will load 1000 rounds per hour. That is assuming that you can keep your primers filled and bullet tray filled as well as cases. And of course no interruptions or mess ups.

The load rate is extrapolated from one "load" of whatever magazine runs out first. Usuallly the primers.

When I was in the Army, we noted the same differences in our rates of fire: cyclic rate Vs. sustained rate...Mechanical Vs. realistic.

[LUBEDUDE]

When I was in the Army, we noted the same differences in our rates of fire: cyclic rate Vs. sustained rate...Mechanical Vs. realistic.


I like the way you put it better.


"Cyclic Rate"

[MOcaster]

Would anyone possibly want to sell their old Hollywood powder measure? I started out on one (borrowed) and would love to get another one like it. I think it was the third model. I have a Herter's model 40 in fairly good condition that I would be willing to trade. I would also trade brass (40 S&W, 9mm) or 40 S&W jacketed hollow points made with BT Sniper's improved CH swaging die.

[LUBEDUDE]

MOcaster, welcome to the forum.

If you have no takers, Hollywood powder measures are consistently on ebay. They appear to start out and hang cheap, but close out a bit pricey.

Best of Luck

[Tracvision]

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Hollywood Auto Press

Never have seen one, but I sure would like to buy one!

Proclaimed Rate- 1800 rounds per hour

This one is for shotgun. Most if not all ads and info are about the shotgun. Pressman may correct me if I am wrong, but I believe I came across something about an Auto Press for Metallic cartridges. May have been a rarity or maybe me just wishing. I will have to dig around.

This one tips my washroom scale at 55 pounds. It is set up for 9mm. This is the "AUTOMATIC" Model. There was also a "PROGRESSIVE". Sorry again for reviving an old thread.

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[Tracvision]

One other note I forgot to mention... As you eagle eyed guys can see, the "AUTOMATIC" model was made on the "Senior" Press base.

[LUBEDUDE]

This one tips my washroom scale at 55 pounds. It is set up for 9mm. This is the "AUTOMATIC" Model. There was also a "PROGRESSIVE". Sorry again for reviving an old thread.

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Howdy Tracvision, welcome to the forum.

As far as the press in the pic, does it self index with the pull of the handle, or do you need to index it by pushing the shell holder with the casing?

I have a 38 Special Progressive which looks identical to yours except for indexing handles on the shell plate.

The Progressive and metallic Automatics are the rarest of all Hollywoods.

[Tracvision]

Howdy Tracvision, welcome to the forum.

As far as the press in the pic, does it self index with the pull of the handle, or do you need to index it by pushing the shell holder with the casing?

I have a 38 Special Progressive which looks identical to yours except for indexing handles on the shell plate.

The Progressive and metallic Automatics are the rarest of all Hollywoods.

Lube, My press is the "Automatic" not the "Progressive". It self indexes the lower turret with each pull of the handle. Not only is it rare, but it is Mr. Corcorans Prototype, as is my "Super" Turret also.

BTW: Sorry for the delayed post. I havent been getting email notifications from the site.

[LUBEDUDE]

That is awesome. I wonder if it was the only one ever made?

[.50bmg]

Kinda looks like mine [smilie=s:
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[Tracvision]

Kinda looks like mine [smilie=s:

50, I couldn't tell by the picture if yours was an auto or progressive. I then found some other posts by you that showed the indexer. It is definitely an "AUTO". I wonder how many of these were sold ???
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Harold
TEAM HOLLYWOOD

[ReloaderFred]

I know of one other that's set up for 12 gauge shotgun loading. It was owned by the Kern County Sheriff's Office (Calif.) in the late 1970's, when I was rangemaster. I took it to Reseda and had it converted to automatically feed the wads, and it put out lots and lots of shotgun shells. The person who owned the Hollywood name at that time was named Jim, but I don't remember his last name. His shop was in the back of a small industrial complex, and you had to contact him early in the morning, before he drank his lunch.......

I don't know if the press is still in the range house or not, since I retired in 1995 and haven't been back..........

Hope this helps.

Fred

[Tracvision]

Fred,
If you could muster up a last name or a few more details, it would be nice to put some history together. The name and habits jibe with some info that I have.
Harold
TEAM HOLLYWOOD

[ReloaderFred]

I'm going by memory here, Harold, and it was a long time ago.

I was there a couple of times, and it was a dingy little shop at the back of the small industrial section of Reseda, Calif. There were castings everywhere for powder measures and presses. Old Jim, and I wish I could remember his last name, was pretty clever when it came to machinist work. He came up with the wad feeder for our press using rectangular aluminum extruded tubing. If I remember correctly, I could put about 25 or 30 wads in the tube and just keep pulling the handle until I ran out of either hulls or wads. The operation was flawless, as long as the wads used didn't flare out a lot.

I called the shop several times, and he either lived in the back of the shop, or had an extension of the shop phone at his house. He had someone who either lived with him, or looked in on him, as she answered the phone a couple of times when I called in the afternoons and said Jim was "under the weather today. Please call back early tomorrow morning".

On one visit, he let me rummage through his shellholder box and gave me several shellholders for my Hollywood Senior that I was missing. I had given him a bag of shot and a bag of wads for testing the machine and he was very grateful. He said, "nobody gave anybody anything in this business". I wish I could have spent more time with him, but I had other stops to make that day.

Sorry I can't be of more help, but as for the dates, it was in 1977 and '78 that I was at the shop. A friend of mine was there about the same time period and he said Jim was drunk, and in his pajamas in the shop, but he sold him the part he needed.


Hope this helps.

Fred

[Jim Kitchen]

I'm just lurking hoping someone will decide to part with an automatic...

[Tracvision]

I'm going by memory here, Harold, and it was a long time ago.

I was there a couple of times, and it was a dingy little shop at the back of the small industrial section of Reseda, Calif. There were castings everywhere for powder measures and presses. Old Jim, and I wish I could remember his last name, ...snip
Fred

Jim, I'm just going to throw something out there. James C. Whitney, 6742 Tampa Ave, Reseda, Ca 91335...sound about right? 19540 Victory Blvd was his address later on. What say you fine sir ?

found this on G.Earth

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Harold
TEAM HOLLYWOOD

[ReloaderFred]

That's the name! The address I went to was on a two lane street at the time. I don't remember the address, though. Like I said, it was a long time ago..........

Fred

[Tracvision]

That's the name! The address I went to was on a two lane street at the time. I don't remember the address, though. Like I said, it was a long time ago..........Fred

Fred, We have one more piece of history. Thanks.
Harold
TEAM HOLLYWOOD

[Tracvision]

Fred,

According to public records, James C. Whitney would be 95 years old. His wife Shirley C. Whitney would be 114. :-)

Harold
TEAM HOLLYWOOD

[ReloaderFred]

That would be about right, Harold. I'd have to guess that he was in his 50's when I dealt with him, but those first years must have been rough ones for him. He was a good machinist, though.....

I have no idea how long he had the rights to the Hollywood name and machines. I know that about 10 years or so later there was a table set up at the Great Western Gun Show at the Pomona Fairgrounds (8 miles of tables) with the Hollywood equipment for sale, but it was a different owner and their prices had skyrocketed. I still had my original Hollywood Senior that I had purchased used from one of my college professors in 1963, but I didn't need anything, so I didn't linger. It took 3 days to see everything at that show!

Fred

[Tracvision]

That would be about right, Harold. I'd have to guess that he was in his 50's when I dealt with him, but those first years must have been rough ones for him. He was a good machinist, though.....
I have no idea how long he had the rights to the Hollywood name and machines......snip Fred

Fred,
There in lies the problem. Mr. Whitney never had the rights to produce the machines. He bought the remaining inventory from Mr. Corcoran sometime prior to 1972. Mr. Corcoran never sold him trademark rights or patents. However, the patents were close to expiration. Mr. Robert L. Schildwachter, 107 South Long Beach Blvd, Compton, California purchased the actual rights to the business. Mr Corcoran would have been 70 years old in 1972. I guess he was either retiring or in poor health. He passed away in 1988 at the age of 86. I enter exhibit "A". :wink:

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[ReloaderFred]

Harold,

I wonder what happened after that, since he was still selling and working on Hollywood machines in 1978? I was rangemaster from 1977 to 1979, when I promoted to Sergeant and left the range. I didn't have any contact with him after having our shotgun loader converted for the automatic wad feed that he invented. Could it have been that he was bootlegging the operation, or did he enter into some kind of agreement with Robert Schildwachter?

Interesting history of a grand old company. When I was a teenager, it was popular to go cruise Hollywood Blvd., and I remember driving by the Hollywood Gunshop one Saturday night around 1964, a year after I bought my first Senior press. That was the only time we cruised Hollywood Blvd., since it was pretty wild for us suburb kids. I lived about 35 miles east of there at the time, in the San Gabriel Valley, and we didn't venture into the "big city" much in those days.

Fred

[Tracvision]

Harold, I wonder what happened after that, since he was still selling and working on Hollywood machines in 1978? ..snip Fred

Fred,
The patent for the Senior Turret expired May 21, 1980. The SUPER patent expired Sept 18, 1981. The original Senior ( center handle ) expired May 1, 1968. James Whitney could have bought his time until they expired. Or maybe he was just working from the stock he bought from Lyle earlier in the decade (1970-ish). Hard to figure out either way. That being said, I find your story fascinating. It must have been a blast growing up in that area. We will have to continue on. Maybe I will put some timelines together and start a new " HOLLYWOOD HISTORY" thread, with the help of you masters.
Harold
TEAM HOLLYWOOD

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[LUBEDUDE]

Zinc bullets, pretty cool!

That topic comes up on the casting threads from time to time. It always appears to be experimental.

[ReloaderFred]

Either Winchester or Remington once made zinc bullets for their .38 Special and .357 Magnum bullets. They were called Highway Patrol Armor Piercing, for specifically shooting at vehicles. I used to have a couple of them, but I've misplaced them, which is why I can't remember which company it was. They were touted as being able to "puncture cars". They also made another version that was a truncated cone of heavy jacket material which came to a point, but had a lead bearing surface inside the case. They were both intended for shooting vehicles.

Hope this helps.

Fred

[LUBEDUDE]

That makes me curious Fred.

What is their definition of puncture cars?

I grew up with pistols in my hands and we were always shooting wrecked cars at various dumps.
That is how Dad taught me the power and destruction of firearms.

All calibers, even the 22's punctured those all steel thick bodied cars of the 40's-60's.

Off course it took the larger calibers to go THROUGH them.

I really don't recall busting actual engine blocks until I got my 44 mag when I was 18.


So basically I'm saying anything will puncture cars. If those Zinc bullets were inferring that they busted engine blocks, I believe it was more velocity than Zinc. Unless they were steel core with Zinc jackets to protect the rifling.

[ReloaderFred]

I'm not sure, LubeDude. It was probably mostly advertising hype, but they were intended for law enforcement use. I wish I could find that last one I had with the zinc bullet, but I don't have time to look for it now. I'm flying out in the morning, since my Dad just went into Hospice care.........

Fred

[LUBEDUDE]

Fred, hype is what I was inferring.

Sorry to hear about your father... Now on to much more important things. Hope things go smoothly.

Best

Dave