Slugs 'R Us sabots anyone?

[Chicken Thief]

Bought 100 of these odd ones.
Intented to stay on the boolit all the way to the target.
Fits only 50 cal boolits.

Empty the sabot weighs 75 grains and is as tough as nails.

I made 3 models:
The 480gr one with a modified Lee 440gr 500S&W boolit shortened to 407gr. I found that to light.
Second one fitted with a Lee 515-450, shot great but i found out that the tip protruding prevented cycling in my Maverick pump. So i inverted the boolit and hey presto it works.
Thierd one is with a Lee 515-500 but i have discarded the idea, it will not cycle through the gun.

I load 30gr of Vv TinStar NC32 and seat the wad followed by roll crimp. After that it is much easier to hand seat the boolit.

Note the fins inside the sabot that holds the boolit in place good and hard.

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[odfairfaxsub]

where do i buy them at?

[hatcreek]

love these sabots, attached are some pics of targets shot with these sabots, 1st pic 20ga spw 19grs wsf, honady hull, 255gr .44 cal hand cast bullet, shot threw a 870 rifle barrel @ 50yrds bench, 2nd photo 250gr .50cal spw, fiocchi hull 30grs of wsf, 50yrds bench 870 20" rifle barrel, 1.5-4 20mm scope, 1st 3 shots center.

[Chicken Thief]

http://slugsrus.com/store/index.html

[gabe123]

Did you recover any of these with the slug still inside? The one on it's side looks like it really took a beating at impact and still held together in one piece. Impressive.

[Chicken Thief]

No they expel the slug on impact.

[turbo1889]

It is also possible to use them as a discarding sabot as well by using a razor knife to cut petals in the sabot.

I have found a single 1/8" thick nitro card (of appropriate size to match the boolit) under the boolit inside the sabot helps to ensure a clean release with cutting your own petals with a razor knife. I also cut out the middle cushion section and replaced it with a fiber cushion wad instead sandwiched between full gauge size nitro cards while still using the bottom gas seal and top part that actually holds the boolit (slit with razor knife). Usually I cut four slits in an X-shape to make a four petal sabot but have experimented with other numbers of cuts and thus petals as well.

It works better then the BPI sabots that is for sure although it still isn't quite perfect in my experience even with all the mods I do to it. Interesting enough used as is without slitting it to make the boolit release it works pretty well in a smooth bore gun with the right boolit inside it since it acts like a Brenneke slug with the attached cushion section and gas seal acting like a stabilizing tail.

[brad2506]

hi guys,
just wondering do you have any trouble roll crimping these with so much projectile sticking out ?

[Chicken Thief]

The trick is to roll crimp first then insert the boolit.

[brad2506]

The trick is to roll crimp first then insert the boolit.

I can't believe I didn't think of that ?

[GrizzLeeBear]

I have one of the LYMAN 50cal 395gr 508656 "plains mold". I haven't cast with it yet, but I bet it might work great in those sabots.

Chicken Thief, you said the 407 gr. bullet was "too light". Could you explain a little more on that? I was thinking the 508656 might be short enough to fit in the sabot and be able to use a regular fold crimp?

I didn't see any load data on the website, where do you get data for loading these?

[SuperBlazingSabots]

Hello GrizzLeeBear, can you cast a few and post a picture of the bullet and see if it fits the SPW well enough and please post a picture and I'll gladly help you with the load for your 400 gr bullet!
Please also mention as to what gun you plan to fire it from, a thick barrel at the muzzle or a thin one!
Ajay
VideoMemories
VdoMemories-Blazing Sabots
www.PreciousVideoMemories.com

[GrizzLeeBear]

Ajay, thanks! However, I don't have any of the sabots or even a gun to shoot them out of. My only 12 ga. right now is a Marlin 90 O/U and I am not going to be shooting any slugs out of that one! I am planing on picking up either an Remington 870 or a Mossberg 500 with a rifled barrel. But this is the mold I am talking about.

http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/10036

[Blood Trail]

Bump. Blast from the past

[BobBill]

Forgive me if this reply repeats...first try went off into la-la land. I know OP and later are old.

I lurk here and shoot on occasion, 20 gauge slugs and some other things. I shoot but not enough to make comments.

Have observation and question.

I read here or elsewhere that a 20 gauge rifled bbl is 58 cal.

If so, why would it not be possible to load and shoot say a 45 cal slug in a 58 sabot or sleeve, like some market for its 58 cal muzzle-guns?

Anyone tried...? Comments?

[Greg5278]

I'm not sure why You think a 20 G Slug Barrel is .58 caliber. You can sometimes use a .575-.580 Bullet in a Wad for a 20 Ga Sabot Load. The Rifled 20 Ga bores are more like .615-.620" across the grooves. There are plenty of Custom .62 Caliber Slug Molds available for use in Rifled Bores. If You tumble or spray Lube them Leading isn't an Issue.
Slugs in Wads are a bit more finicky for accuracy. I've found the CSD Wads from BPI to be about the Best for toughness and Consistency in 12 Ga. I'd give Them a try.
Greg
AKA 12 Bore

[BobBill]

I'm not sure why You think a 20 G Slug Barrel is .58 caliber. You can sometimes use a .575-.580 Bullet in a Wad for a 20 Ga Sabot Load. The Rifled 20 Ga bores are more like .615-.620" across the grooves. There are plenty of Custom .62 Caliber Slug Molds available for use in Rifled Bores. If You tumble or spray Lube them Leading isn't an Issue.
Slugs in Wads are a bit more finicky for accuracy. I've found the CSD Wads from BPI to be about the Best for toughness and Consistency in 12 Ga. I'd give Them a try.
Greg
AKA 12 Bore

Was thinking barrel, typing bullet-sizes...duh on me! Twenty gauge 61.5/62 cal, with 44 or 45 cal bullet in sabot...more like it? Am more or less staying with 20 gauge as I have a TC in that cal. IMHO, the trick is finding the sabots, the slugs and bullets abound or can be made.

I just want to move off commercial and maybe be accurate, bullet or slug, preferably not lead, as I think lead will be replaced in time in most states. Just too many people and growing...

[Greg5278]

Sabots and soft Lead are not typically Compatable. Discarding Sabots tend to stick with the Soft Alloy.
CCS does have discarding 20 Ga Sabots, but they are not cheap. With a proper Gun and Jacketed, CCS Sabots are MOA capable. Chris Young tested the Sabots with Lead Years ago, but gave up with the Poor Results.
In Order for the Bullet to to upset in the Sabot, He needed to use 2400 Powder. The Powder gave Bloopers when Temps were 50F or less.
Greg
AKA 12 Bore