Slugs from a smooth bore ?

[GREENCOUNTYPETE]

I have never reloaded a slug , I do reload metallic cartridge both rifle and pistol and I have reloaded shotgun shells , with shot mostly #7 1/2 for for trap league


i cast for muzzle loader , rifle and pistol

but my primary deer gun because we are in a shotgun only hunting zone is a 12ga Remington with modified choke 28 inch barrel

i have always shot Winchester super-x 2 3/4" rifled slugs , as far as slugs go they work well from the gun

the gun got a 2-7x32 scope when i had to get glasses , at 50 yards it will put the first round in the x then they start to climb stringing vertically but all touching , i can live with that most deer go down on first round any way

at 100 yards rounds are about 3 inches low but group around 4 inches

this is all decent enough accuracy for deer in the woods


since i have never seen a rifled mold , i am wondering how have your slugs worked in smooth bores , or is a ball a better choice

i see a bunch of info about full bore slugs in rifled barrels , but what have you seen from a smooth bore like mine

i have thought about a rifled barrel many times but , find that they want as much as i gave for the hole gun when i bought it 20 years ago.

[GREENCOUNTYPETE]

I bit more reading and learned more about Foster style slugs , being weight forward with deep hollow bases are stabilized by the weight forward design , and that these are sold as rifled slugs commercially with what looks like rifling but that really doesn't do much to stabilize them

but i would be very interested to hear about anyone using a choked barrel


round balls also sound very interesting

has any one ever tried a lubed patched round ball loaded into a shot shell over the wad but with the pedals cut off the wad or cut down

form some of the reading i was doing it sounded like sabot and sometimes wad separation was an issue

[missionary5155]

Greeting
Scroll down through the shotgun threads for "Roundball" and you will have a good long read.
Roundball is at least as accurate as Foster slugs and a whole lot easier to cast. Plus a round ball will out penetrate a hollow slug by a long ways. Large crocs can take a hit in the neck armor with a hollow slug and the slug will just crush on the scales and fall off. That is the standard Winchester Foster slug load fired at 5 feet and less. Round ball will penetrate.
Choke constriction up to .007 seems no problem with RB in standard pump barrels. I would be cautious with thin doubles.
Mike in Peru
Mike in Peru

[GREENCOUNTYPETE]

Thanks , i have been doing a bunch of reading , i found a great thread on .735 round ball in a wad with the pedals cut off

one thing I have been wondering about is a .690 as the mold is easier to come by with a .015" or .010 thick lubed patch as my barrel is a modified choke and i measured it at .710

the gun shoots Winchester factory fosters very well, probably because it is so tight

[GREENCOUNTYPETE]

I cut apart one of the winchester 2 3/4 inch 12 ga rifled slugs , that work so well out of my gun

knowing that my gun has a .710 bore at the choke i can see why

i found a 1oz foster type slug , that wasn't actually even round when measured every 1/8th turn the widest was .730 and the most narrow was .720 this is at the base of the skirt about half way to the nose it measured between .700 and .710

obviously this one got sat on or something , i should maybe be more care full with them , i normally carry a pocket full of them in my hunting coat

it appears to be pure lead or darn close

it was sitting on 3 hard card that have compressed together and measure .200 together
then 2 thicker cardboard cards that measure .385 each then a plastic gas seal over 35.4 gr of a medium grain dot type powder i have no idea what it is what ever Winchester uses

this has me wondering , is there a mold for full bore fosters ?

from a bunch of reading i did , i wonder if 2 primary things affect accuracy in foster type slugs , that in many barrels they suffer form poor fit , and if sitting in a shot cup wad ,is wad separation affecting accuracy
the hard cards are less likely to suffer from separation issues , and the full bore just seems to do better in fit for most everything


has any one tried just building up to the proper height with cards ? what are the down sides to this

i also noticed pictures of powder getting around the wad in one post , i noticed on the Winchester i pulled apart , the powder was all contained under the brass of the shell

[SuperBlazingSabots]

Hello GREENCOUNTYPETE, can you please post a picture of the components as loaded and the weight of the slug etc so perhaps we can pinpoint the load and have a better understanding what Winchester is doing and what works for them!
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee75/Dantebeowulf/RemAccuTipcopy.jpg
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee75/Dantebeowulf/39grfromAccuTipcopy.jpg
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee75/Dantebeowulf/Win.jpg
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee75/Dantebeowulf/51grWinXP-3Sabotpowdercopy.jpg
by any chance can any one identify this powder?
Thank you.
Ajay
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[GREENCOUNTYPETE]

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[GREENCOUNTYPETE]

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[odfairfaxsub]

thats what i practically do, take a wad and cut the stem out for a gas cup and i use the shot cup for the slug that would otherwise be undersized

[SuperBlazingSabots]

Thank you GREENCOUNTYPETE, the pictures help a great deal visualizing the load!
The darker nitro card is the harder nitro card that I use in most of my loads!
Winchester and Remington do uses wads that are available to reloaders like X12X that Remington uses in Accu Tip
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee75/Dantebeowulf/RemAccuTipWads.jpg
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee75/Dantebeowulf/OPwadscopy.jpg
most shooters think that they use specially developed powders, that might be the case from time to time but not always. I have identified the powder used in Rem. Accu-Tip
and plan to incorporate it into my loading data of Blazing Sabot!
Thanks for the pictures.
Ajay
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[GREENCOUNTYPETE]

the next question , who makes a full bore foster mold i think the rim around the base helps allowing the front to be a bore rider and keep it well centered on it's travel down the bore with the skirt being big enough to fill the bore but soft enough that it can easily squeeze down to go thru even a full choke

[SuperBlazingSabots]

Hello GREENCOUNTYPETE, if that is what you want then get a Lyman Foster slug mold of
.705"and get it opened up to .730" by a machinist to turn it into a full bore but then be ready to clean your barrel of lead more offten!
How about turning it into a Paradox rifled gun with a 8 inch rifling added to it like the Paradox guns for big game
http://www.kebcollc.com/cart/store.php?crn=209&rn=641&action=show_detail
Hope it helps.
Ajay
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[GREENCOUNTYPETE]

It would likely be far less expensive to give a guy i know 185 for his Mossberg 500 slug gun with cantilevered rifled barrel.

my barrel is the original 28 inch modified choke , i would have to get it reworked for chokes

and it would make the gun ridiculously long , it already is near imposable to find a case for a 54 inch gun with a scope , so i made one.

i could buy a new barrel for the 1100 for 250.00 to 300


all that considered i think i might try a .690 round ball load first