LYMAN #452651 325 Gr. in a 45 Long Colt Hunting Load

[Just Duke]

LYMAN #452651 325 Gr. in a 45 Long Colt Hunting Load
I looked through several data charts and can't find anything really suitable for Ruger Vaquero's. Can this be loaded to 800 or 900 safely?
TIA,
Duke

[44man]

You really need the old Vaquero for it. If you have an old one you are good to go, I would not use it in a newer, smaller gun. I am not sure it will even fit the cylinder?
Even though you can shoot it slow with low pressure, the boolit will not like it.
It does not want to be shot slow. I use 21.5 gr of 296, Fed 150 primer for 1160 fps.
If you can see the sights and hold right, it will do this at 50 yards. It is a good boolit and I have killed deer to 100 yards off hand.

[Just Duke]

It does not want to be shot slow. I use 21.5 gr of 296, Fed 150 primer for 1160 fps.
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Now that's what I'm talking about! :redneck:
Thanks 44.

[tek4260]

+1 on what 44man said. I shoot a very similar weight boolit over 22 and 24gr loads of H110 in my 45's.

[44man]

Notice I use the Pachmeyer grips. I was getting my middle knuckle beat bad with the wood panels. That load is a thumper and will shoot through a 16" tree.
Penetration is unreal.
Lyman made the same type boolit for the .44 but before I could afford one, they stopped making it. They said it never proved to shoot good. I think it was being shot too slow in the .44.

[bigboredad]

Hey Duke I have the Lee 340gr rnfp meant for the 45/70. I shoot this out of blackhawks and the older bigger vaquero. Loaded with 9gr of universal if I did my part it will do under 2 inches at 25yards. To this date I have not really had the opportunity to shoot longer.
Like Tek and 44man 21.5gr of 296 is scary accurate but you don't want to shoot it all day. of course this is my experience so ymmv

[tek4260]

My 325 allows for 24gr and it is quite a step up from the 21-22gr range recoil-wise.

[rexherring]

Hey Duke I have the Lee 340gr rnfp meant for the 45/70. I shoot this out of blackhawks and the older bigger vaquero. Loaded with 9gr of universal if I did my part it will do under 2 inches at 25yards. To this date I have not really had the opportunity to shoot longer.
Like Tek and 44man 21.5gr of 296 is scary accurate but you don't want to shoot it all day. of course this is my experience so ymmv

I have that one loaded also with 19.5 grs of H 110 in the larger frame Blackhawk. The smaller .357 frame rugers won't handle the heaviest loads so be careful.

[bigboredad]

My 325 allows for 24gr and it is quite a step up from the 21-22gr range recoil-wise.

that is a good point and also I'm pretty much a candy a** when it comes to those big loads:lol:

[softpoint]

Notice I use the Pachmeyer grips. I was getting my middle knuckle beat bad with the wood panels. That load is a thumper and will shoot through a 16" tree.
Penetration is unreal.
Lyman made the same type boolit for the .44 but before I could afford one, they stopped making it. They said it never proved to shoot good. I think it was being shot too slow in the .44.

I have the .44 version of that mold as well as the .45. Lyman is full of it if they thought it didn't perform in the .44. If I recall, (don't have one handy to weigh right now) my .44 boolit weighs about 340 grains out of my alloy. I shoot it with 17 grains of 2400 mostly, but have loaded it faster with 296

[44man]

I worked up with the boolit but found 21.5 gr of 296 was best. Groups started to open as I increased the powder. I started with 19 gr and groups got smaller as I increased and topped at 21.5 gr then started to open again. I actually had several 1" groups at 75 yards when sighting for deer. The 335 gr LBT also did that. The difference was one hit one side of the bulls eye and the other hit the other side but I do not remember which was which.
Elevation was the same for both boolits and I can interchange them for hunting. Both use 21.5 gr.
Same in my .44 with 310 to 320 gr boolits, 21.5 gr of 296 and a Fed 150 primer. It seems to be a magic number.
There is no need at all to use more powder.

[1_Ogre]

Anyone out there with ANY information on loading the Lyman 452651 in the Ruger Super Blackhawk (the 357 frame, not the 44 Mag frame)? I can only find information on this boolit in the Thompson Contender. I was thinking about starting with 5.5gr of Unique and see if I have to hammer the boolit out of the barrel or if it will make it all the way by itself. If that load pushes it down the barrel, I will go up and see what happens.
Anyone out there with any experience with the 45 Colt and this boolit?

[1_Ogre]

I have that one loaded also with 19.5 grs of H 110 in the larger frame Blackhawk. The smaller .357 frame rugers won't handle the heaviest loads so be careful.

I see you are online. Do you have any experience with the Lyman 452651 in the Ruger Blackhawk?

[softpoint]

Notice I use the Pachmeyer grips. I was getting my middle knuckle beat bad with the wood panels. That load is a thumper and will shoot through a 16" tree.
Penetration is unreal.
Lyman made the same type boolit for the .44 but before I could afford one, they stopped making it. They said it never proved to shoot good. I think it was being shot too slow in the .44.
I have both the .44 and .45 versions of the mold. The .44 is somewhat different, and weighs in at 345grains out of my alloy. It is a very accurate bullet in several .44's I shot it in, but it is too long for feeding in most rifles. It will feed in my Winchester 94"Packer", however.

[rexherring]

I see you are online. Do you have any experience with the Lyman 452651 in the Ruger Blackhawk?

Not that particular boolit. I shoot a Lee 300 that's similar and also a 340 gr sized to .452. Large frame Blackhawk only loads. Most of my loads wouldn't fit the cylinder of a smaller frame Vaquero.

[1_Ogre]

LYMAN #452651 325 Gr. in a 45 Long Colt Hunting Load
I looked through several data charts and can't find anything really suitable for Ruger Vaquero's. Can this be loaded to 800 or 900 safely?
TIA,
Duke

I use 5-6gr of Trail Boss pushing the Lyman 452651 and it seems to do just fine. Haven't had time to work up a "Pushing Load" for it yet, but right now it seems to do fine in my Ruger B/H

[44man]

It will always be the spin rate for a boolit. As you get too long and heavy, velocity needs to come up a little. You need not go crazy but there is a spot where it comes together. To go too fast will also reduce accuracy.
To tweak every FPS you can find thinking it will kill deer better is so wrong when accuracy is all you need.

[NVScouter]

Not that particular boolit. I shoot a Lee 300 that's similar and also a 340 gr sized to .452. Large frame Blackhawk only loads. Most of my loads wouldn't fit the cylinder of a smaller frame Vaquero.

Me too but I shoot it over 19g of Lil'gun for a bit over 1250fps 7.25: blackhawk or around 1050fps 4" redhawk.