Enfield porn alert!

[Just Duke]

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad54/LEVERACTIONSHOOTERS/SMLE/86b6be28.jpg

[Chicken Thief]

Whats the big toothpick in the lid for?

[3006guns]

I still have copies of the American Rifleman with ads showing those sets for sale at $79.95.......many, many years ago now.

Nice. Thanks for sharing!

[adrians]

uhmmmmm, ahhhhhh ! :coffeecom
hope my wife don't catch me looking at this debauchery :dung_hits_fan:

[Haggway]

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH sexy

[walltube]

Why you....you....youu... Why, why do you do such a thing? The torture, the inhumanity of it all!

:mrgreen:

Nice pic. This yours to fondle? Got more pics??? She have an un-married sister?

[HollowPoint]

Hey Duke Nukem:

Is that your personal rifle? If so, what are the chances of seeing a photo with the scope mounted?

If possible, it'd nice to see it from all angles with the sniper scope on.

HollowPoint

[Just Duke]

Hey Duke Nukem:

Is that your personal rifle? If so, what are the chances of seeing a photo with the scope mounted?

If possible, it'd nice to see it from all angles with the sniper scope on.

HollowPoint

If it was my rifle I'd boot the old lady out and put in bed next to me. :bigsmyl2:
:kidding:

[303Guy]

Dang, that is eye candy!

Interesting because I have a bubba'd rifle that I plan on fitting a top wood something like that. Maybe I'll make it exactly like that. No scope though and it will have a suppressor. Mind you, maybe a scope too now that you've shown me how. That one is a post war 7.62 , not sure the designation - can you fill me in please?

[andy h]

The big toothpick is a chamber cleaning item, It has a slot cut into the end to accept a piece of 4"x2" cleaning cloth.

[m.chalmers]

I still have copies of the American Rifleman with ads showing those sets for sale at $79.95.......many, many years ago now.

Nice. Thanks for sharing!

Never ever where the L42's ever $79.95. But when they did get sold Navy Arms had them from $800-$1200. At $1200 in the case they still didn't have the scout scope, night vision mount, camber stick or the metal cleaning kit.

Oh, an Navy Arms sold out in three days.

[Multigunner]

I still have copies of the American Rifleman with ads showing those sets for sale at $79.95.......many, many years ago now.

Nice. Thanks for sharing!

I have a bunch of those old AR journals as well. As I remember it they had ads for the No.4 (T) at $79.95 , (same price as a vg-ex Garand)don't remember if the transit chest cost extra, but no L42 rifles.
The L42 was still in service with UK armed forces till the 1980's so few would have been made available to civilians before that.

[Multigunner]

The big toothpick is a chamber cleaning item, It has a slot cut into the end to accept a piece of 4"x2" cleaning cloth.

Every Enfield owner should make one of these. One should very careful when cleaning the chambers of any caliber of Enfield.
Cord worn chambers caused by careless handling of the double pull through cord could result in burst cartridges.
The pull through does little to clean the chamber anyway.

Since the .303 battle rifles usually had chambers as loose as was considered safe, any uneven wear to chamber walls, especially at the rear of the chamber, left part of the case unsupported.

James Crosman examined a .303 Enfield that had blown out a case shattering the bolt head and killing the owner.
He stated that the chamber was "thinned" on the right hand side, where cord wear is most likely to be found.
The case probably would not have blown but for the poor condition of the bore which caused a bullet to seize up and blow out its core.
Once that momentary over pressure found an unsupported area of the case wall the propellent gases took the path of least resistence.

A member of another board recently had similar but less dramatic burst cases with his 2A rifle. He tried both older milspec 7.62 NATO and recent Remington FMJ, both gave the same type of ruptured case.
The rifle had been found to have good headspace so a cordworn chamber is about the only likely cause of such a blow out.
He said he got a lot of gas blown in his face but was wearing shooting glasses so no permanent harm was done.

I think another member of that board mentioned the chamber of his rifle looked oval, saying he thought that it was cut that way for easier extraction.
I don't think theres any way to cut an oval chamber with a reamer. Swaged chambers with a defective mandrel maybe, but cord wear is the most likely cause.

In Instructions to Armorers of 1931 at the top of page seven they have instructions on proper use of the double pull through, and tell about ovaled chambers.

L42 rifles received far better care than run of the mill battle rifles, but some that were leased to the London Metropolitan police were judged degraded and un safe to fire, so even these fine rifles should be inspected closely before firing.
Not sure if the L42 is covered by the NRA UK requirement for reproofing for use with modern long range .308 target loads. Other converted No.4 rifles are required to be re proofed if used on NRA ranges with NRA supplied long range match ammo.
L42 rifles had been proofed with a rating of 19 long tons, some had been reproofed at 20 long tons.
Increasingly higher pressure of recent long range .308 target ammunition has made the earlier proof requirement for 7.62 NATO rifles obsolete.

[Just Duke]

You could make one similiar. http://www.accumounts.com/

[303Guy]

'L42' - couldn't remember earlier. So the L42 was proofed for 19 long tons then 20. The 303 was rated 18.5 tons but I recall seeing 19 tons somewhere stamped on the action. 19 for 7.62 NATO seems a little low. Obviously it was enough.

[m.chalmers]

The L42's sold out of service, as seen in the "States" are proofed 19T or 20T. Just depends when the rifles left the MOD. Mine is proofed 19T. Last one BDLLTD.com had was proofed 20T.

Bad news is most fell to the hot ax.

[gew98]

Every Enfield owner should make one of these. One should very careful when cleaning the chambers of any caliber of Enfield.
Cord worn chambers caused by careless handling of the double pull through cord could result in burst cartridges.
The pull through does little to clean the chamber anyway.

Since the .303 battle rifles usually had chambers as loose as was considered safe, any uneven wear to chamber walls, especially at the rear of the chamber, left part of the case unsupported.

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That's OK moolti...I'll take an enfield any day over the class C steel blow up in 'yer face' and or throw the cocking knob into your mullet due to peirced primer any day of the week. Not to mention the 03's really weak delicate sights and stocking...but I digress.

[Multigunner]

but I digress.
As usual.
Strange that the British tried to get Remington to build 1903 Springfields adapted to the .303 rimmed cartridge. Then when retooling for the .303 version wasn't considered wise with War on the horizon Britian ordered standard Remington manufacture 1903 rifles in .30-06.

Comparing the Enfield to low number Springfields will always appear to be damning by faint praise.

A reminder that snapping a Lee Enfield rifle on an empty chamber can cause damage to the shaft at the collar that can allow the cocking piece to blow back in event of a pierced primer.
Just like any rifle that has been abused by generations of previous owners.
http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=89739



Yesterday was my first shooting with my Enfield No 4. After 10 shots I must stop them. The firing pin was broken and comes out backwards directly to the middle of my eye. First i think that the bold comes out, i have seen that anything comes to my eye and than i feel a short punch, like as a fist strike to my eye. I thinked that my eye is damaged an so first i looked to my neighboor and ask him "do you see anything on my eye, is it ok?" first he say nothing, than he tells my that some blood runs down the face. I'm so glad that I weared shooting glasses so i have only a small wound from the corner of the glasses on my face.

[303Guy]

A reminder that snapping a Lee Enfield rifle on an empty chamber can cause damage to the shaft at the collar that can allow the cocking piece to blow back in event of a pierced primer.Hold on there! Can we go over that one again? I dry fire my Lee Enfield's quite often - this is the first I've heard of this.

Might ask two questions;
First - are you sure?
Second - how does this happen and how do I know whether damage has occurred?

I must say it does sound strange that a tried and tested both before and during battle and not to mention in training, rifle can have such a shortcoming. It also seems strange that I've never heard of it before. Is this a common failure?

I do have one bolt head with a slight protrusion or burr around the firing pin hole!

Those pierced primers don't surprise me. At what point did the shooter not realise the primers were showing overload? Were those factory loads?

This is a factory load.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo327/303Guy/FactoryLoad001.jpg

A 'warm' load. Not one I use.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo327/303Guy/003-1.jpg

Compare these to the pierced primers in the link.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo327/303Guy/PiercedPrimers.jpg

See what I mean? Of course that does not mean the pressures were excessive but it looks suspicious to me.

Lee Enfield firing pins do tend to extend a little too far from what I've seen with mine.

The Lee Enfield does have one or two weaknesses like a crappy magazine and a tendency toward mismatched extractors - what a pain! But firing pin failure is getting serious.

[tmanbuckhunter]

My Lee Enfield pierced primers consistently with S&B ammunition leading me to believe that something was wrong with the rifle and I almost sold it. After trying a box of winchester ammunition, I have been happily reloading for and shooting my lee enfield for a few years now, and boy does it shoot good!
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h119/Dp908/2012-04-10_13-10-37_135.jpg

[3006guns]

Never ever where the L42's ever $79.95. But when they did get sold Navy Arms had them from $800-$1200. At $1200 in the case they still didn't have the scout scope, night vision mount, camber stick or the metal cleaning kit.

Oh, an Navy Arms sold out in three days.

Oops.......you are correct and thanks for bringing that to my attention. I was thinking of the #4 sniper way back when!

[KCSO]

The toothpick is a chamber cleaning jag.

[Multigunner]

Hold on there! Can we go over that one again? I dry fire my Lee Enfield's quite often - this is the first I've heard of this.

Might ask two questions;
First - are you sure?
Second - how does this happen and how do I know whether damage has occurred?

I must say it does sound strange that a tried and tested both before and during battle and not to mention in training, rifle can have such a shortcoming. It also seems strange that I've never heard of it before. Is this a common failure?

It doesn't have to be "common" if you loose an eye the first time it happens to you.

Snapping a centerfire rifle on an empty chamber can damage the firing pin, and can wallow out the firing pin hole in the bolt face, the Enfield can be damaged in this way just as any other centerfire rifle. Thats why they make snapper caps in .303 just as they do in other calibers.
Its another good reason they put a cocking piece on the rear of the pin, you don't have to snap the firing pin in order to lower it on an empty chamber.

Check the photos that accompanied the posts I linked to. You'll see the damaged sections.

I'd suggest you get yourself some snapper caps or just leave off dry firing altogether.

I've used fired cases with the expended primer in place as single use snap caps. This microsizes the case before neck sizing so the reloaded round will chamber easily but maintain its fireformed shape. The micro sizing cushions the pin fall.

A wallowed out firing pin hole can lead to blown primers, and cratered primers. If the edge of the hole is upturned it can act like a cookie cutter and a tiny disc can be cut from the primer surface if pressure is high enough or the primer cup on the soft side. Weakened firing pin springs can contribute by allowing the pin to be pushed back into the hole.

First Enfield I bought had a wallowed out firing pin opening, primers cratered even with standard velocity factory loads. When I replaced the bolt head and main spring there were no more cratered primers.

Another potential hazard with be if the shaft broke free of the pin at the collar while cocked. The broken forwards section of firing pin could then strike the primer hard enough that the rifle would fire without the trigger being pulled, even with the cocking piece locked on safe.

[303Guy]

Thanks for the warning, Multigunner. I don't do it as a habit but who knows how many times its been done to the guns I own, some of which are over one hundred years old. I have one bolt head that has a rim pushed forward on the face as you describe. I scrapes a sliver off the primers.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo327/303Guy/206grPIGGUN44gr2209027-1-1.jpg

[Multigunner]

Thanks for the warning, Multigunner. I don't do it as a habit but who knows how many times its been done to the guns I own, some of which are over one hundred years old. I have one bolt head that has a rim pushed forward on the face as you describe. I scrapes a sliver off the primers.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo327/303Guy/206grPIGGUN44gr2209027-1-1.jpg

You should probably stone that lip away, being careful not to touch the surface of the boltface itself.

Heres something I found awhile back, about practicing rapid fire bolt manipulation.


To enable you to get correct bolt manipulation, practise in the following way. Tie the trigger to the rear (Fig. 154). Then, in the lying position, practise the correct movement of the right hand and wrist in opening and closing the breech. Place the right hand in its correct position and the finger on the trigger each time. Note.-Tying back the trigger will make practice in manipulation easier, and will prevent unnecessary wear to the face of the cocking piece, and avoid weakening the bolt main spring.
I've run across more than a few cocking pieces that had dent indentations caused by violent closing of the bolt. Some deep enough to adversely effect the first stage of trigger pull. Made worse by rounding of the sear nose.

While the was the "ease springs" instruction when arms were inspected on parade, this had a purpose. The officer on parade would know by the sound the rifle made whether the bolt had been properly cleaned and oiled and had a strong mainspring.

The use of non firing DP rifles preserved the battle rifles for more serious purposes.

[John 242]

The rifle had been found to have good headspace so a cordworn chamber is about the only likely cause of such a blow out.
He said he got a lot of gas blown in his face but was wearing shooting glasses so no permanent harm was done.

I think another member of that board mentioned the chamber of his rifle looked oval, saying he thought that it was cut that way for easier extraction.
I don't think theres any way to cut an oval chamber with a reamer. Swaged chambers with a defective mandrel maybe, but cord wear is the most likely cause.


I can't remember if I asked you this before or not, but according to your research or in your opinion, what is an effective method for checking for a cord worn chamber?

I was thinking that maybe a chamber cast with cerosafe, but I am not sure.
Getting a telescoping hole gauge into the chamber with the receiver mounted to the barrel would seem to be impossible.
What about measuring fired brass and checking it for being out of round near the base? Seeing how the brass is thickest at the base, I wouldn't think this would work.

How far out of round is 'too much'?

Thanks,

[Multigunner]

I can't remember if I asked you this before or not, but according to your research or in your opinion, what is an effective method for checking for a cord worn chamber?

I was thinking that maybe a chamber cast with cerosafe, but I am not sure.
Getting a telescoping hole gauge into the chamber with the receiver mounted to the barrel would seem to be impossible.
What about measuring fired brass and checking it for being out of round near the base? Seeing how the brass is thickest at the base, I wouldn't think this would work.

How far out of round is 'too much'?

Thanks,

Good questions but the original armorers manuals don't tell much other than to be on the look out for them.

I'd say that a chamber cast carefully miked would reveal a cordworn chamber, and that some should even be visibly ovaled out to the naked eye.

It appears from the few sources I've found that described burst cases that the danger zone is at the point where the case head/base leaves off and the case wall begins.
Going from thick solid brass to suddenly thinner drawn brass walls.
With some cases having thicker webs at the case head some brass would show little effects while others might burst if pressure is high enough.

Also inspection of just about any once fired case from a Lee Enfield chamber will usually show unequal expansion due the the cartridge having the tendency to lay at the bottom of the commonly loose chambers. Thats normal enough though if the chamber is loose enough the look can be disheartening.
I always mark the rim of a case and on neck sizing and reloading I make sure the case is rotated 180 degrees on its second firing, after which the case body is equally expanded and remains concentric with the chamber walls for any reloading and firings that follow. This in itself greatly reduces group sizes by preventing bullet cant at origin of rifling.

So how much is too much depends on many factors, but my own opinion is that any out of round condition is too much for my tastes.

For a case to burst the expansion would have to exceed both the elastic limit and the plastic limits of the brass. That much expansion should be clearly visible on fired cases before one reaches the breaking point.

[303Guy]

Perhaps the condition of the brass has something to do with it. I've found loaded and unfired cases that have split through the neck from age. Perhaps the base are has embrittled too. I would expect good brass to flow quite considerably before fracturing. Think of incorrect cartridges being fired in a gun. Mind you, an oily pull cord would be pretty abrasive in dusty desert conditions.