What was first J-word Cartridge

[wv109323]

Groupmembers,
A question popped into my mind the other day and I could not come up with the answer.

What cartridge/ rifle was the first to use a copper jacketed bullet?
Was copper jacketed bullets ever used with original black powder loads?
I was thinking possibely the .30 Government.

[dnepr]

303 british has to be close with its original load of a 215 gr jacketed over 70gr of black,

[azrednek]

I could be wrong being that my memory is as they say "ain't what it used to be". I thought it was the Brits that first used a jacketed bullet. Just speculation on my part but likely one of the large calibers designed for African game. 30 Govt may be correct as far as the first on this side of the pond or possibly the first issued to the military.

[flounderman]

the 93 mauser in 7mm is one of the old ones. the rolling block was chambered in it but don't know what the load was.

[bob208]

the first was invented by rubin of the swiss army 1882.

[missionary5155]

Good evening
Swiss Army LT. Rubin came up with the idea in 1882. French Army MLe rifle first cartrige loaded in 1886. Mike in Peru

[Bret4207]

The Swiss/French thing sounds right. Commercially, the 30-30 was among the first in the US.

[runfiverun]

i would think the 8mm lebel also.

[El Gato]

Not as old as 1886 Lebel but 43 Reformando (Spanish) is pretty old.
http://www.militaryrifles.com/Spain/Ovid-Rem.htm

I think the swiss were first though..

[JMtoolman]

The first jacketed bullets were the paper patch bullets. The toolman.

[KCSO]

I thought the Swiss went to Schmidt first and J words have been Rubin us the wrong way every since??? The 303 did have a pellet of B/P formed into the case and a jacketed bullet on top but that didn't last long. The french were the first with smokless powder but they used a paper patched bullet in the first ammo if I remember right.

[Larry Gibson]

10.4x47R Italian Vetterli M70.

Adopted in 1870 and "many of the cartridges were loaded with brass coated bullets".

Larry Gibson