How about .40 cal 130 gr. 6 cavity?

[h1tdk00]

I contacted 45 2.1 and asked him if he could design a light weight .40 bullet for high volume casting and loading. I asked for something that would drop out of the molds easily and that would have a slight beveled base for easy loading in a progressive loader.

This is what he came up with.

I like it, but I would kind of prefer a conical nose instead of the semi wad cutter design. Any oppinions?


http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i74/h1tdk00/MiHec40-130.jpg

[yobohadi]

I would be interested in a 5 or 6 cavity in this design.

[harley45]

I'd be in I like that design, who are you planning on having do it?

[john from md]

I would be interested in anything lighter than the 175gn lee in six cavity.

John

[thumper,eh?]

Conical, 130gr, 6 holer. Sign me up before you change your mind or the design.

thumper

[RED333]

I am out if it is made of brass, the 4 hole brass molds are heavy after a bit.
ALU will work, put me on the list.

[Old School Big Bore]

I have a .400 Cor-Bon barrel that likes light bullets, and my shooting buddy just discovered his wife has her grand-dad's M92 .38-40, so I'd be in for either the SWC shown or a TC, .402 and 130-135 gr in w/w.

[Ausglock]

I'd be in if you lose the lube groove. I HI-TEK coat all mine.

[mpbarry1]

Ive been looking for something lighter than those 160s also. an aluminum 6 holer would be perfect. I was thinking 140 grain but this would work. count me in. who are you thinking of doing it?

[Oreo]

The SWC nose is there for a reason. You can only go so light before there just isn't enough bearing surface on the boolit for a lube groove, to hold the rifling when fired, or to even be secured by case tension in the brass case. The SWC nose is a light weight nose profile which allows for a longer boolit body for a given weight.

[mpbarry1]

that makes sense oreo. how about a truncated cone? it might add 5 grains or so?

[Oreo]

Pull up mountain molds' website and play with it a bit. You'll get a feel for where the weight goes and what you can do with it.

[Springfield]

If you reduce the base length a bit I think this would work. You could have it in a couple of weeks, going by my last 2 buys from Accurate.
http://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=40-150H-D.png

[338RemUltraMag]

I can cut it, 6 cav aluminum at $125, get 20 to sign up and it can be done in 6 weeks tops

[doctorggg]

I'd be in.

[Springfield]

338: Got a pic of a similar mould you have done? Or are you making them just like the LEE 6 cavity?

[338RemUltraMag]

These will be a lot like the other custom mold makers, I can post up a pic of my first cut with my 12 ga slug on a piece of scrap metal. We will be making these with 7075-T6 aluminum and steel parts we also use the same cherry maker as jt and noe.

[sargenv]

And to think that Bear Creek sells a nice little somewhat flat pointed meplat 140 RN with a single lube groove that I'd been shooting for years before I started casting.. I think that is what people are looking for.. I'll see if I have one I can take a picture of.

[338RemUltraMag]

Any thoughts on this?

http://i1270.photobucket.com/albums/jj609/joshaaronelli/40SampW135grLite.png (http://s1270.photobucket.com/user/joshaaronelli/media/40SampW135grLite.png.html)

[Oreo]

.405" diameter? That's a bit excessive unless someone requested that and I missed it. Especially so if anyone intends to powder coat these.

[338RemUltraMag]

What would be a suggested diameter?

[Oreo]

.403" max, unless someone really wants larger which would be rare. Most people will size down to .401" or .402", and powder coating means sizing at least a thousandth smaller still.

[338RemUltraMag]

Done, I can make that happen in a few minutes.

[Springfield]

The front rounded edges like in the original pic cast much easier. With the sharp edges you sometimes get broken edges if run hot.

[338RemUltraMag]

Nose or drivebands for the rounded edges?

[338RemUltraMag]

http://i1270.photobucket.com/albums/jj609/joshaaronelli/40SampW135grlite2.png (http://s1270.photobucket.com/user/joshaaronelli/media/40SampW135grlite2.png.html)

[Oreo]

Yea, the closer I look, I like the rounded corners on the nose idea. I think that would improve feeding reliability.

Also, it looks like you do have some draft angle between the edge of the front driving band and the nose but if not you definitely want some there. Doesn't have to be a lot but a hard 90° corner will keep the boolits from falling consistently easy.

[338RemUltraMag]

http://i1270.photobucket.com/albums/jj609/joshaaronelli/40SampW135grlite3.png (http://s1270.photobucket.com/user/joshaaronelli/media/40SampW135grlite3.png.html)

[338RemUltraMag]

If I cut this cherry as a 9mm I could run a 9/40/45 mold if yall want. I think the weights would be about 100/135/185 gr.

[Oreo]

I think I understand your blueprint better now. Now it shows a 45° draft angle between the nose cone and the front driving band. I think the previous 61° was sufficient I just didn't understand what the blueprint was saying.

Cutting the cherry as a 9mm makes good business sense, I think.

The rounded corners on the nose look good.

[Springfield]

Much better on the nose. I like the angle on the front scraping edge, should cast better then a 90 edge. 100 is a little light for a 9mm.

[338RemUltraMag]

Well it would be a 380 mold then, I was just guessing on the weight I have yet to redraw it.

[Old School Big Bore]

Hey 338, if this happens, I want in. Please PM me if they're going to get made. I don't care whether they end up being SWCs or TCs. And I agree on the base being a SLIGHT bevel - less lube mess. I would take one in .358, .403, .432, and .452 if you were to make them. Thanks. Ed

[rbertalotto]

Absolutely needs a crimp grove for use in Revolvers or Lever action 38-40. I went through hell with the Lyman mold when I first started shooting 38-40 as it has no crimp grove. Great for black powder as the bullet sits on the powder and can't be forced into the case by recoil. When used with smokeless it simply would not feed. In the revolver the bullet jumps forward in the non active cylinders and jams up the gun.

Needs a crimp groove.

[338RemUltraMag]

final designs and weights

http://i1270.photobucket.com/albums/jj609/joshaaronelli/9mm-380Lite.png (http://s1270.photobucket.com/user/joshaaronelli/media/9mm-380Lite.png.html)

http://i1270.photobucket.com/albums/jj609/joshaaronelli/40SampW135grlite3.png (http://s1270.photobucket.com/user/joshaaronelli/media/40SampW135grlite3.png.html)

http://i1270.photobucket.com/albums/jj609/joshaaronelli/45ACPlite.png (http://s1270.photobucket.com/user/joshaaronelli/media/45ACPlite.png.html)


These are all the 3 designs I have made, I can get one cherry cut and make all of these. I can also add the 9x18 Mak if people want one.

I can make this active now, turn time is 6 weeks or less.

[Sweetpea]

Here are my opinions, they are mine, and may not be others...

Why not go for broke with an actual truncated cone?

I'd lose the bevel base, I hate them.

I would move the lube groove a bit farther back, maybe .080 from the base, IF it were me.

Brandon

[338RemUltraMag]

Here are my opinions, they are mine, and may not be others...

Why not go for broke with an actual truncated cone?

I'd lose the bevel base, I hate them.

I would move the lube groove a bit farther back, maybe .080 from the base, IF it were me.

Brandon

Moving the grease groove back is no biggie, I just placed it there "willy nilly" I personally dislike bevel bases also but it seems most people want one, heck I will cut an hour glass boolit if enough people want it. That is a true truncated nose, with rounded edges, look at my previous designs it has evolved to what it is now.

[Old School Big Bore]

How many cavities are we looking at, and what cost per mold, and what handles would they use, please?

[338RemUltraMag]

6 cav, lee handles, 125 plus shipping.

[garym1a2]

How about a version with no lube grooves for those that powder coat?

[338RemUltraMag]

How about a version with no lube grooves for those that powder coat?

I can accommodate a PC version, it will lose the bevel base when I do because I will have to pull the cherry from the mold when it is still orbiting/cutting

[Sweetpea]

That means you could also pull it back slightly, and lose the bevel base...

The lube groove would be a little smaller, but flat base is king!

[338RemUltraMag]

posted up in the active section, Sweatpea, sign up and I will see what I can do for you