Bullshop- do we have a rat in our membership?

[Bret4207]

If you've seen Tinas post in the Swapin and Sellin section you know Dan and the Bullshop family are closing up and moving out. The tone of the post and an email I recv'd strongly suggest there was some foul play by someone here at the root of it. I don't know what happened, the Congiolosi family appears to be above mud slinging, but if we do have someone amongst us that did financial harm to these fine people...well, that's a great big giant deal to me.

Whoever you are. I hope you get what you deserve 100X over.

Thoughts and prayers to the Bullshop/Congiolosi family.

[largom]

If it happened to Bullshop, it can happen to others. I hope somehow, we learn what the root of this problem is. Do we have a rotten apple in the barrel?

Larry

[Lloyd Smale]

Find him and send him down the road! thats the problem these days on here. It used to be a small group of level headed guys just interested in casting and sharing knowelge. Its gotten so big now that we have to deal with the rif raft that frequents most of the other forums.

[45 2.1]

If it happened to Bullshop, it can happen to others.

Already has............ if you'll note the lack of quite a few of the founding members of the original "Shooters" aren't with us. I you know them, you can find out why.

[slide]

I am not a computer guy. In this day and age don't we have somebody that has the knowledge to find out what happened. Unless it was by snail mail wouldn't it had to have been done by computer. I may not know what I am talking about but maybe somebody who does can help. It doesn't seem possible that someone from here would take food and shelter away from children. I'll get off,starting to get mad!

[badbob454]

GOOD PEOPLE ... hope they stay on , hope the best in all their endeavors , my prayers go with them .....I worked with tina on some brass , nice to work with and, the lube, good stuff , but people come before things hoping the best
...badbob

[Blacksmith]

This is our town and we have a problem in it. When a valued family in the community leaves it is a loss to all. No different than when our country was founded the loss of the miller or blacksmith could affect everyone and even lead to the demise of the Town.

I would like the "elders" to see if something can be done within the bounds of respect for privacy. If they advise to drop it I can live with that, however if there is something to be done Our Town has many times in the past taken action and I am certain it would do so again.

[gnoahhh]

I never 'met' any of the Bullshop crew, but the few transactions I had with them left me with the feeling that they are a rare commodity in the modern world- honest, straightforward business people. My only wish is that I would have bought more than some cast bullets from them. A family who successfully made a subsistence living on the edge of nowhere by the sweat of their brow is to be honored IMO, and if a lowlife made their position untenable- a pox on him.

[bowfin]

This puts the whole membership in an awkward situation...

[Ickisrulz]

This puts the whole membership in an awkward situation...

All we have to go on is a cryptic remark and speculation (well, there’s also some laments for the good old days of Cast Boolits before the membership took off). Even if we had the whole story, there are two sides to every issue.

[bearcove]

My problem is I can't begin to imagine what could be done to a small business like the bullshop on a public forum that would cause them to close their business down.

Without anyone being aware of it happening!

It can't be someone bad mouthing them, never seen that. Not poor product or service.

It has to be more complicated or something???

I usually don't pay much attention to these kind of things but the "great" mystery has me totally puzzled and irritatingly curious.

[Ickisrulz]

My problem is I can't begin to imagine what could be done to a small business like the bullshop on a public forum that would cause them to close their business down.

Without anyone being aware of it happening!

It can't be someone bad mouthing them, never seen that. Not poor product or service.

It has to be more complicated or something???

I usually don't pay much attention to these kind of things but the "great" mystery has me totally puzzled and irritatingly curious.

The only thing I can remember seeing in anyway complaining about Bullshop (other than not knowing if they were still is business or not) was the lack of providing a Material Safety Data Sheet for Bull Plate. I don't believe this complaint was on this forum though.

Speculation on my part...if someone wanted to make an issue out of not getting an MSDS, this could cause problems for any "manufacturer". Could it put them out of business? I'm not sure.

[bearcove]

MSDS give ingredients. Your recipe.

[myg30]

If You went to best buy and priced a TV, then went on amazon and found it for a few dollars less, TOLD EVERYONE you went to amazon..... Do you think it might hurt Best buy ?

If BB only had two or three products that was there Bread n butter .......?

Mike

[Ickisrulz]

MSDS give ingredients. Your recipe.

Not so. You wouldn't be able to mix up a batch of WD-40 (for example) with the MSDS alone.

Every chemical manufacturer in the USA provides MSDSs for their products even if trade secrets are involved.

MSDSs are required by law as well as specific labeling requirements.

[Ickisrulz]

If You went to best buy and priced a TV, then went on amazon and found it for a few dollars less, TOLD EVERYONE you went to amazon..... Do you think it might hurt Best buy ?

If BB only had two or three products that was there Bread n butter .......?

Mike

Are you addressing me?

Most people know that Bull Plate is a mixture of a couple off the shelf commercial products. I have no idea what they are and if I did I'd never tell anyone. But say it's product X and product Y in equal proportions. The MSDS would not say that product X and product Y are mixed. It would list the ingredients in both products and range of percentages. In other words, it would give nothing away.

Like I said...I'm speculating.

[myg30]

I'm slow typing. This came out at wrong time.
Just my 2 cents worth, also speculating

Mike

[Bret4207]

It's more than just an MSDS or the issues of a small business to me. I've been "here", with this group, since 1996. We've had a couple nut jobs and a few rotten apples, true enough. But we've never, to my recollection, had something like this done, if what was done was as it appears- the willful harming of another member, and a member with physical issues and with a large family at that. I have seen the disrespect and general hatefulness shown to Dan over religious matters in the past. I don't know if that's part of it or not. But for the life of me I cannot imagine what kind of person would do something purposely that would result in a business closing down and LEAVING THE BOARD. That, the bit about leaving this place, tells me something in this is related to this place specifically. That bothers me greatly.

Maybe we'll never figure out what happened. Maybe we will. If we do, and there was less than appropriate behavior in play, I hope we can address that.

[white eagle]

someone stepped over the line
caused some good people to stop participating
in a great forum ...its a shame.... and whomever is the root
of this evil may you rot in the hot sun

[square butte]

Is there any way for a private crew here to make this right? Behind closed doors?

[Jammer Six]

Rat is a prison word.

Perhaps you are a convict, but I'm not.

None of you know the whole story.

I've heard calmer rhetoric from mobs.

You're embarrassing yourselves.

[starmac]

Is there any way for a private crew here to make this right? Behind closed doors?

I don't have a clue to what caused it, but if someone actually did something to cause a family to give up a lifestyle, How could anyone make it right.
We are talking a family that consisted of iirc 8 kids basically living off of the land.

[camaro1st]

wouldn't they have told us by now if this was a april fools? if not we are wishing you good luck in the future!!!

[starmac]

wouldn't they have told us by now if this was a april fools? if not we are wishing you good luck in the future!!!

Do you reckon they would have started setting an april fools joke up several months ago.

[camaro1st]

starmac i just learned of it yesterday, the first post is all i have known about any problems they are having, and havent had the fortune to know them as long as other members here.

[geargnasher]

Rat is a prison word.

Perhaps you are a convict, but I'm not.

None of you know the whole story.

I've heard calmer rhetoric from mobs.

You're embarrassing yourselves.

If you know anything about Bret you'd know he understands every possible context and the full meaning of the term. He's made a career out of putting "rats" away.

Gear

[Jammer Six]

I don't know anything about Bret other than what he's posted.

How does a free man put rats away?

[randyrat]

You said a "rat" don't look at me I didn't do it.:p I had a good business relationship with Dan & Tina and one day they quit buying from me, next thing I know they are no longer on line.

[x101airborne]

Rat is a prison word.

Perhaps you are a convict, but I'm not.

None of you know the whole story.

I've heard calmer rhetoric from mobs.

You're embarrassing yourselves.



No, rat is a sailing term for the lowest person on the boat telling the captain everything on the ship. Hence, bilge rat, rat.... and so on.
Youre right, none of us do. But we care enough to ask. When one of our family goes down, we all should stand together. Since you are the only one on the other side of the fence..... Doth thou protest too much???
A MOB takes reckless action on the basis of fear and speculation not associated with fact. We asking for fact without acting on speculation does not incur a MOB title. If we acted on speculation I guess we could burn my neighbors house down, but that would not solve the problem.
I guess we should save the embarrasment for those who cause trouble in our family, huh?

[Harv33]

It looks to me after this amount of time that there was surely something other than not selling enough product..Something they are not telling us and that is why we are only hearing from one person at Bull Plate..Be careful of the lynch mob frenzy !!!

[starmac]

starmac i just learned of it yesterday, the first post is all i have known about any problems they are having, and havent had the fortune to know them as long as other members here.

It has been some months, since they have actively been here, Whatever happened is something they want to keep private, so most all of this is speculation.
They seemed to be good family folks, with good products at reasonable prices and Dan was loads of free info, even as far as how powder and lubes did in extreme weather or how to properly sharpen a chainsaw, just lots of good info from good people.
I can't imagine what could have happened that couldn't be worked out, but in reality it is none of my business. I just wish them luck, and since casting equipment hasn't been advertised here, hopefully they get back in that side of the business.

[troyboy]

We need the facts. Speculation is well....just a wag

[Edward429451]

I don't know if this means anything or not. There was a guy on the TFL board awhile back bellyaching that he wanted Bullshop to give him an msds sheet and he wanted to mix it himself. I got on there and told him that I'm pretty sure thats Bullshops bread & butter, and he should have some respect and just order some.

That got em riled up and they yelled at me for that. Business regs and laws blah blah blah. Last I heard, he was going to try to force Bullshop to provide an msds sheet or make a complaint or something on him. I forget his handle.

[1Shirt]

We will probably never know the specifics of this. Regardless, I wish them only the best. The dealings I have had with them have all been outstanding. I very much agree with what Bret has written, and can't imporve on it!
1Shirt!

[Jammer Six]

No, rat is a sailing term for the lowest person on the boat telling the captain everything on the ship. Hence, bilge rat, rat.... and so on.

Doth thou protest too much???

I sail, I've never heard that term. (That doesn't mean anything-- it just means I've never heard it.)

You think I'm a "rat"?

Bring it. But stand up and say it.

Doesn't sound to me like you understand what you're saying.

And we're not family. I'd know.

[fishhawk]

You know I really don't want to lock this thread up because of "perceived" accusations from any one so I'm putting this out right now to every one, cool it!

[Moonman]

Edward429451
It looks like on the TFL board that someone named riverwalker76 from Kentucky is the person inquiring about MSDS sheets for Bullshop.

[Recluse]

Edward429451
It looks like on the TFL board that someone named riverwalker76 from Kentucky is the person inquiring about MSDS sheets for Bullshop.

Riverwalker76 (yep, from Kentucky) is a well known deadbeat scumbag over here in these parts. Several of our members tried to warn off the moderators at TFL, but instead found themselves threatened with getting bounced.

:coffee:

[parrott1969]

Would not surprise me if it was some liberal hack goon. They seem to all be anti business. Personally, I have received emails demanding to know where my product comes from and where I got my business license, my business name and address. I tell them in no uncertain terms where to go!!

[Stick_man]

We need the facts. Speculation is well....just a wag

I think more appropriate terminology would be "we WANT the facts". Unfortunately, we don't NEED the facts. Human nature makes us all curious and have a strong desire to know things. Sometimes, we NEED to know things, most times, we simply WANT to know them. If Bullshop wants to keep the facts private, that is their choice.

I don't know what happened or who other parties may be, but I do know that Dan and Tina are top notch people. It would be very difficult to find any better anywhere on the planet.

It saddens me greatly to see one of our family members hurt, offended, or cheated. I hope that whatever has happened can somehow be rectified and we can move on and return to being a "big, happy family".

I hope and pray that all goes well with the Bullshop family. They are too good of people for anything less.

[zuke]

I put an order in with Bull shop just this morning.
But I made no mention of what I've read on the board here.

[The Double D]

A real quicky on MSDS requirement from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Planning_and_Community_Right-to-Know_Act

Community Right-to-Know Reporting Requirements (Sections 311-312)

The purpose of these requirements is to increase community awareness of chemical hazards and to facilitate emergency planning. This section applies to any facility that is required by the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupational_Safety_and_Health_Administration) (OSHA) under its Hazard Communication Standard to prepare or have available a Material Safety Data Sheet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Material_Safety_Data_Sheet) (MSDS) for a hazardous chemical (See II above for definition) or that has on-site, for any one day in a calendar year, an amount of a hazardous chemical equal to or greater than the following threshold limits established by the EPA:


10,000 pounds (4,500 kg) for hazardous chemicals; or
lesser of 500 pounds (230 kg) or the threshold planning quantity (TPQ) for extremely hazardous substances.

If a facility is subject to reporting under these sections, it must submit information to the SERC, the LEPC and the local fire department with jurisdiction over the facility under two categories: MSDS reporting and inventory reporting.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Material_safety_data_sheet

It is intended to provide workers and emergency personnel with procedures for handling or working with that substance in a safe manner, and includes information such as physical data (melting point (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melting_point), boiling point (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_point), flash point (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_point), etc.), toxicity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxicity), health effects (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_effect), first aid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_aid), reactivity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactivity_%28chemistry%29), storage, disposal, protective equipment, and spill-handling procedures. MSDS formats can vary from source to source within a country depending on national requirements.


MSDS aren't realy intended for ordinary use by everyday Joe Smuckatelly or Bubba Leroy.

[tomme boy]

You do NOT have to list all the chemicals in a product if it is a propriatary ingredient. I know thats what one company that I worked for list in their MSDS sheets at the factory.

[Ickisrulz]

A real quicky on MSDS requirement from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Planning_and_Community_Right-to-Know_Act

Community Right-to-Know Reporting Requirements (Sections 311-312)

The purpose of these requirements is to increase community awareness of chemical hazards and to facilitate emergency planning. This section applies to any facility that is required by the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupational_Safety_and_Health_Administration) (OSHA) under its Hazard Communication Standard to prepare or have available a Material Safety Data Sheet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Material_Safety_Data_Sheet) (MSDS) for a hazardous chemical (See II above for definition) or that has on-site, for any one day in a calendar year, an amount of a hazardous chemical equal to or greater than the following threshold limits established by the EPA:


10,000 pounds (4,500 kg) for hazardous chemicals; or
lesser of 500 pounds (230 kg) or the threshold planning quantity (TPQ) for extremely hazardous substances.

If a facility is subject to reporting under these sections, it must submit information to the SERC, the LEPC and the local fire department with jurisdiction over the facility under two categories: MSDS reporting and inventory reporting.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Material_safety_data_sheet

It is intended to provide workers and emergency personnel with procedures for handling or working with that substance in a safe manner, and includes information such as physical data (melting point (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melting_point), boiling point (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_point), flash point (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_point), etc.), toxicity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxicity), health effects (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_effect), first aid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_aid), reactivity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactivity_%28chemistry%29), storage, disposal, protective equipment, and spill-handling procedures. MSDS formats can vary from source to source within a country depending on national requirements.


MSDS aren't realy intended for ordinary use by everyday Joe Smuckatelly or Bubba Leroy.

OSHA doesn't control what we do in our homes. If a consumer is not making a living using the product, then it's not employment related.

But only a foolish company would not give an MSDS to ANY purchaser if requested. MSDSs are not cookbook recipes. Most MSDSs are available online because manufacturers get tired of having to mail them out to people needing them.

[Ickisrulz]

You do NOT have to list all the chemicals in a product if it is a propriatary ingredient. I know thats what one company that I worked for list in their MSDS sheets at the factory.

The are rules for claiming a trade secret in a formula. You just cannot say, "well it's a secret and that's that." At very least you have to list the hazards for the proprietary stuff, you just can't pretend they don't exist.

If the proprietary ingredient is a potential hazard, the manufacturer must disclose the information (what is in the product) at the request of a health care provider. This would be absolutely necessary for an industrial hygienest's evaluation.

I have seen MSDSs that say something to the effect that they contain secret information and the MSDS cannot be shared with anyone. I never had to call a manufacturer to get trade secret information. It was always on the MSDS provided.

[doctorggg]

I wish I were smart enough to figure out what has been done. I just bought my first 4 bottles of bull plate from them and absolutely love it. Greg

[waksupi]

I skimmed back over nearly a year of Dan's posts. Darned if I can see what happened. Maybe someone else can catch something.
We already had other guys selling boolits, and some other mold treatments have come along. No real speculation on the composition until Bullshop went MIA, which was to be expected when a source disappears without a word. I don't recall anywhere anyone claiming they had discovered the formula, and had attempted to under sale them. I'm pretty sure that would have back fired on them.
We may never know.

[405]

If you've seen Tinas post in the Swapin and Sellin section you know Dan and the Bullshop family are closing up and moving out. The tone of the post and an email I recv'd strongly suggest there was some foul play by someone here at the root of it. I don't know what happened, the Congiolosi family appears to be above mud slinging, but if we do have someone amongst us that did financial harm to these fine people...well, that's a great big giant deal to me.

Whoever you are. I hope you get what you deserve 100X over.

Thoughts and prayers to the Bullshop/Congiolosi family.

Yes, they are fine people- none better. Just trying to raise a family and scrape out a living in a very tough place to do so. There are plenty of "clues" in the archives as to the most likely chain of events.

Very best wishes to the Bullshop clan.

[danski26]

FYI there are no pending lawsuits in Alaska involving Dan or Tina.

[wgr]

ive never tried their lube but im going to order a bottle are two. shame i love to see small bussness make it go.

[snuffy]

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=415903

From the TFL bullet casting forum;

A buddy and I were sitting around the shop last night, and tried to figure out a good lube for our lead bullets. He suggested using Beeswax and Bullplate Sprue lube.

What makes up Bullplate Sprue Lube? Is it a silicone, mineral oil, or other type of oil based lube? I've looked on the net and can't find an MSDS on it.

It appears this riverwalker dude was also on the CB forum, he had some bad dealings and was labeled a deadbeat, something about sharpening stones. Last posting was 9-13-2010. He appears to be a Alpha Hotel of the highest order, gold plated to be sure.

It will be sad to loose the bullshop from this forum. I have several of his products, speed green, bullplate, and some case sizing lube. I hope to have enough bullplate to last for years to come.

[starmac]

Yea he was here, IIRC he was selling rocks. Maybe it was indian love stones or something of that nature.

[geargnasher]

Yep, first class scumbag, figured that out right away, I think it was a lube topic long before the "mountain man" sharpening stone fiasco where he showed his true colors to a few of us.

Gear

[stubshaft]

Best wishes and prayers for Dan and his family. He was an honest man and a good christian. I will miss him.

[Blacksmith]

Interesting note the same day Riverwalker asked the question on TFL:

ANyone Know About Bullplate Sprue Lube Ingredients?
Was the day of his first post on Cast Boolits.

The TFL post: http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=415903

The CB post #279: http://castboolits.gunloads.com/search.php?searchid=3997199&pp=25&page=12

Many of his posts were asking about what was in various lubes and what certain lube ingrediates did. Very interesting.

It appears his last post on TFL was Nov. 1, 2011.

[geargnasher]

Anyone on the staff want to compare the ISP for Riverwalker76 and 800d?

Gear

[skimmerhead]

iv'e read just about everything posted on this subject. first i want to say good luck to the bullshop clan, i'm sorry to see them go and wish them the best. having used some of there products, i shall miss them, they are quaility products and people. the reason for them leaving be it unknown i can only respect there choice. if there choice to leave is personal i can live with that. but the thought of someone on this forum having done something to cause them to leave really puts preassure on my anger management valve. if this is the case, i hope the culprit is exposed and dealt with in the harshest manner possible.

skimmerhead :(

[Frozone]

Riverwalker76 (yep, from Kentucky) is a well known deadbeat scumbag over here in these parts. Several of our members tried to warn off the moderators at TFL, but instead found themselves threatened with getting bounced.

:coffee:
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If y'all remember. This Riverwalker76 is the same guy that sold this forum busted up rocks as sharpening stones.
That was right after he didn't exactly get a warm welcome for insisting that Bullplate Had to have a MSDS.

He didn't want any of Randy's beeswax, cause he could "get it at 1/4 that price". But wouldn't say where he was getting that price.
I asked him if he got an MSDS with that beeswax but a certain pissant MOD removed the post.


About 2 weeks later he did a group buy for 'Arkansas sharpening stones", He hooked at least 50 in that scam and delivered busted up gravel as the end product.
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You'll find a product on Ebay that looks surprisingly like Bullplate being sold as sprueplate lube.
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I'm just glad I stocked up with 2 lifetimes worth of it a couple years ago. I think a have a half gallon around here.
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also If you remember - they wanted to sell the bullshop business, about 9 months or a year ago.
A crook can do a lot of damage to a business using the pretense of buying it.
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In view of Mooseman's comments, which I agree with, I separated this post into separate and unrelated fact and speculations.

[Mooseman]

Anyone on the staff want to compare the ISP for Riverwalker76 and 800d?

Gear

I ran them...They are in different states.
We all need to be careful with our speculations and W.A.G's.
Until we have Info that is Gospel I suggest we stop pointing fingers at people who may be innocent.
My 2 cents.
Rich

[HARRYMPOPE]

NEI had a spruplate lube back when Walt still ran it.He gave me some but I never used it.i should dig it out and see if it is similar.

George

[geargnasher]

Fair enough, Rich. The only reason I mentioned it is there seemed to be some commonality, and neither one of those individuals are "innocent" around here.

Gear

[Jammer Six]

I think we need to keep this thread on track, and lynch one at a time.

Otherwise, we're going to need more rope.

[Bret4207]

There is no "lynch mob" mentality displayed here, no fingers were pointed at anyone and the "rat" identifier...well, if you never heard of someone being a "rat" before then you've lead a very sheltered life. What I do see displayed is concern for a member and family that are by all accounts good, solid people and that people or a person here MIGHT have had something to do with it. I don't know and as I said, we may never know. No more, no less. Lets go with that and see where it takes us.

Apologies to Randy Rat is anyone even thought for a moment I was pointing at him.

You're 100% correct Jammer, we are definitely NOT family.

[OBIII]

Rick,
I recall reading some posts a while back, may have been over a year, in which a couple of members "appeared" to be ragging on Bullshop and Bullplate lube. I cannot remember "who" it was, but it was not pretty.

[Charlie Two Tracks]

This is sad news. On the back of my old Motor Home, I have a sticker that says: United we Stand, Divided, we Fall. Seems like some people are just MEAN and create problems and turmoil wherever they go. Looks like one came a visiting on this site.

[Fishman]

Their problems could have nothing to do at all with Castboolits. I have no idea and neither does the majority if not all who posted here. There's been some pretty nasty sentiments expressed and it may be for no reason at all. The Internet is a pretty big place and Bullshop products weren't just limited to Castboolits members.

I am sorry they are having problems and wish them better fortunes very soon.

[Rockchucker]

Surely someone has Dan and Tina's phone number, why not go in that direction instead of all the speculation displayed in this thread. It is very sad someone could do this much damage though. It will all come out in the wash.

[wiljen]

Back when this mess started, I PMed, e-mailed, called both Dan/Tina's # (no answer repeatedly) and finally called Jr. and asked that he have one of them get in contact so we could see if anything could be done on our end. To date, I have had no contact from Dan or Tina regarding any of this after repeated efforts.

Please understand that none of us condone any behavior that harms another member be it financially or otherwise, but please also understand that we cannot act on speculation. In the absence of facts and knowing that none of the Bullshop clan wishes to discuss it, I think it is best for all to graciously thank them for their service to the community to date, wish them the best of luck on whatever new endeavors this move may hold for them, and welcome them back at such time as they decide they wish to do so. The continued call for them to speak up only serves to disrespect them and their right to privacy.

[bowfin]

but please also understand that we cannot act on speculation

Time to take a minute and say a prayer. It's okay to pass on problems such as these to the Good Lord.

[Reload3006]

:coffee:I am just curious as how this thread is any different than the Media wanting to Lynch Zimmerman with out any known facts? I have never used BullPlate But I have ran a business I dont think that 1 or 2 customers are going to make or break anyone no matter how vocal they are. I left business for personal reasons that I prefer to keep to myself Perhaps that is true of BullPlate owners? If they want to give their reasons allow them that If they do not allow them their privacy. For what its worth.

[WILCO]

There’s an awful lot of drama in the forums. I haven’t done business with Bullshop, but seeing as to how they turned this place inside out with high school antics in their parting thread, I’m glad I didn’t and I never will. It takes years to build a reputation and seconds to destroy it. I’ll be voting with my wallet on this one. I got a chuckle out of the comment that they’re “Christians”. Had my fill of people who “follow” the good book too. I say best wishes, take care and let’s move on. [smilie=s:

[pmer]

I wish them well too and it would be nice to have more information. But for the sake of conversation, were their recipes protected by trade mark or patent or something?

I don't know how that works or if it's possible.

[dnotarianni]

Speculation on my part...if someone wanted to make an issue out of not getting an MSDS, this could cause problems for any "manufacturer". Could it put them out of business? I'm not sure.

As somebody who had to get a haz-mat certificate due to work requirements the MSDS sheet could be the problem. In reality with not knowing what is in the lube the USPS will not accept it for shipment if it is considered hazardous. Perhaps a demand for a MSDS sheet even thou it isn't a formula, just an ingredient list pissed off Bullshop and he decided to call it quits. As somebody else has said it's all speculation at this time without hard facts.

From the USPS

Many household items can’t go in the mail.
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The Postal Service's™ definition of a hazardous material includes many common household and consumer products. They may not be dangerous on your shelf at home, but they can become a hazard when shaken or when the temperature or pressure changes.

Some common hazardous materials include…

Perfumes
Nail polish
Flea collars or flea sprays
Aerosols
Bleach
Pool chemicals
Paints
Matches
Batteries
Fuels or gasoline Fuel can be considered many things
Airbags
Dry ice
Mercury thermometers
Cleaning supplies
Items previously containing fuel
Glues
Fireworks

[mold maker]

Thank goodness I got a bottle with most GB molds and will protect them like gold. Best I recall (very dangerous) there are 9 bottles. That should last the rest of my life.
I only wish I had stocked up on lube.
It hurts to see respected folks harmed and they will be fondly remembered.

[Stick_man]

Thank goodness I got a bottle with most GB molds and will protect them like gold. Best I recall (very dangerous) there are 9 bottles. That should last the rest of my life.
I only wish I had stocked up on lube.
It hurts to see respected folks harmed and they will be fondly remembered.

So why don't you now? Tina mentioned they won't be shutting down until July. Why not order all you can/want now and get it while you still can?

I don't know what all their situation is, but I do know it is expensive to move. If they are shutting down the business (which she indicated they are doing), why don't we help them out and buy up as much of their inventory as we can so they have less to move? That would also help them with cash needed for moving expenses. I just received an order (my second) from them and am looking to scrounge together some more cash to send their way to stock up on some more Bullplate and Lotak. I know I won't be able to get enough Lotak to last the rest of my shooting life, but I might be able to get enough Bullplate.

[Alvarez Kelly]

I have been planning to order some Bullplate... This was the kicker... I just ordered 8 bottles.

Sorry to see them leave us. :-(

[Recluse]

To date, I have had no contact from Dan or Tina regarding any of this after repeated efforts.

In the absence of facts and knowing that none of the Bullshop clan wishes to discuss it, I think it is best for all to graciously thank them for their service to the community to date, wish them the best of luck on whatever new endeavors this move may hold for them, and welcome them back at such time as they decide they wish to do so. The continued call for them to speak up only serves to disrespect them and their right to privacy.

Agree, and pretty much the stance I've adopted.

I'll be sending them some cash in an envelope for more Bullplate, a nice note thanking them for the products, service and friendship they have provided me and wishing them all the best in the future as they move forward.

I know how busy I am as of late; I can only imagine if they are preparing to move an entire family in just a few short months.

:coffee:

[montana_charlie]

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You'll find a product on Ebay that looks surprisingly like Bullplate being sold as sprueplate lube.
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I had to read all the way to the end of this thread to see if it was still unlocked.
In the process, I watched to see if anybody else mentioned 'this guy' I am about to tell you of.

During the first period when Bullshop seemed unreachable, shortly after his website went down, a guy called 800d started posting things detrimental or derisive about Dan and family.

During the general discussions (in that thread) about substitutes for Bullplate, I posted a link to the Ebay product that Frozone mentioned above.

In one of his replies, 800d said 'something' that tic'd me off ... and I replied 'strongly'.
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showpost.php?p=1383022&postcount=58

When I did that, 800d sent me this PM on 9-02-2011.

CM,

I really enjoyed your comments directed toward me the other day. You really stuck it up Dan Cangelosi's rear end with the sprue lube, not even waiting for him to put the "Out of Business" sign out and putting your friends link up there to steal Dan's business. It was interesting when I pointed out what you did you really lost it then
attempted to deflect the fact you really gave it to Dan by your comments toward me. Couldn't stop laughing reading your rant. I've known Dan & Tina longer than you and know quite bit about them. I guess you're not smart enough to understand why someone with only a few posts would make some comments
as I did. DA!! BECAUSE I KNOW THEM!! The Cangelosi's are far from angels and I'd bet you've never even ordered anything from them.

Don't worry about 800d as I've already accomplished what I set out do and won't be using the ID any more or checking any reply. Dan, Tina and guys like you are allowed to say anything you want without any challenge.

Later in the thread (or perhaps in a following one) somebody mentioned that his snail mail had been returned from Alsaka with 'deceased' written on the envelope/
I posted to say that we all know that Dan's mailbox is a long way from his house, and that I knew there was somebody living near Dan who is an enemy of his.

Then, 800d sent me this PM on 9-14-2011.

CM,

You're really a sleezbag!! I somehow messed with Bullshops mail and sent it back to some customer. Just unbelievable you would post something so retarded. You have no class. Like I said before, guys like you, Dan & Tina are allowed to spew any garbage you want and even damage people's reputation with no checks or balances.

You're no better than the Cangelosis. You're nothing more than a circus freak with a dripping chicken head in one hand and a rubber hot dog in the other.

I still like it how you stuck it to them giving the lube business to your friend then trying to cover what you did by posting comments about me. Maybe you did something to their mail.

Thought I was done looking at this site or even logging in til I saw your outrageous comments. I won't be connecting again.

For the record, I have no connection with that eBay seller or lube.
I am sure that 800d no longer uses that username, but it seems to me that there should be some trace of his identity left from his application to join the forum.

It's obvious that 800d is violently hateful of Dan and family, and was intent on hurting them in any way he could.
He has had a couple of years to work at it, and it may be that he has finally succeeded.

On another note, I am aware that there are some (many?) here with a low opinion of me. I wonder if 800d had anything to do with that ...

CM

[Lloyd Smale]

well said. I guess if they dont want to defend themselves then its pretty hard to come down on anyone. Anything said is just speculation until bullshop comes forward and says what happened.
Back when this mess started, I PMed, e-mailed, called both Dan/Tina's # (no answer repeatedly) and finally called Jr. and asked that he have one of them get in contact so we could see if anything could be done on our end. To date, I have had no contact from Dan or Tina regarding any of this after repeated efforts.

Please understand that none of us condone any behavior that harms another member be it financially or otherwise, but please also understand that we cannot act on speculation. In the absence of facts and knowing that none of the Bullshop clan wishes to discuss it, I think it is best for all to graciously thank them for their service to the community to date, wish them the best of luck on whatever new endeavors this move may hold for them, and welcome them back at such time as they decide they wish to do so. The continued call for them to speak up only serves to disrespect them and their right to privacy.

[geargnasher]

CM, that's why I asked the mods to compare those ISPs. I don't know if 800d is the culprit, or if there even IS one, but he's a scumbag for sure.

Gear

[Recluse]

It's obvious that 800d is violently hateful of Dan and family, and was intent on hurting them in any way he could.
He has had a couple of years to work at it, and it may be that he has finally succeeded.

On another note, I am aware that there are some (many?) here with a low opinion of me. I wonder if 800d had anything to do with that ...

CM

Charlie, if I had to put back on my old investigator's hat, one of the presumptions I'd start with would be that 800d is a former co-employee of Dan's before Dan got hurt, or perhaps was a "co-partner" in starting up some business, etc etc.

Back in the old days, I'd get these warrants from the FBI to go and arrest so-and-so for bank robbery, or modern day bank robbery--embezzlement/fraud/etc. Almost without fail, these white collar weenies would start crying and confess all even though I'd probably Mirandized them a hundred times (because white collar criminals always end up a with a slew of lawyers).

Time after time after time after time I saw former college pals, ex-husbands/wives, co-Vice Presidents, et al in the mix--common denominator was work/business related, and the crime was committed out of a sense of entitlement or perverted retribution.

I have zero reason to believe anything that guy said/wrote about Dan & Tina based upon my own interactions with the family. Until proven differently, which I'm not seeking nor will ever, I am in the Cangleosi's corner and if the only way I can (continue to) support them moving forward is by placing a final order and keeping them in my prayers, then I will gladly do so.

As far as your pondering about your last statement ("On another note, I am aware that there are some (many?) here with a low opinion of me. I wonder if 800d had anything to do with that ..."), you can drive me absolutely insane at times, but like Bret, I have an incredible amount of respect and admiration for you which is quite the opposite of a "low opinion." :)

In fact, my opinion of you is quite high.

:coffee:

[starmac]

On a lighter side here. I am having trouble e-mailing bullshop (the trouble is on my end).
Does anyone know what the price of bullplate and maybe speed green. Or even when I get my email figured out do they have a price listed anymore, I know they used to have one for boolits on their site, but can't find it anymore.

I only knew them through the forum, and not nearly as long as you guys, but they seemed like fine people living a dream that most of us drool over, but will never put the effort in to ever see more than a couple weeks once in a while.
Dan invited me out to shoot once, wish I had made it a priority to have done it. (hindsight)

[fishhawk]

Gear the ISPs aren't even close to being in the same state.....

[Wots]

The pricing I got 4-1-12 for the bullplate:
one bottle (2 oz) is $6.50 shipped
one pint is $30 shipped
one quart is $50 shipped

[southpaw]

starmac,

We do have all our lotaks, nasa and speed green lube available at $17.50 a pound – bulk form only
and bull plate for $4.00 a bottle

Shipping is extra.

I got this in a email from Tina.

I am not about to speculate about what may or may not have happened. It is their business and if they wanted me to know about it they would have posted about it. I too, have always envied their live style.

Jerry Jr.

[starmac]

Thanks guys. I have not officially started casting yet, so hadn't placed an order.

As far as envying their lifestyle, I have for years, but let life get in the way. lol hindsight is everything. I truly wish I had taken him up on his offer, as they seem like the kind of people I would have liked to call friends.

[hiram1]

sad day for sure.for the life of me i just dont understand.why somone would do that

[Jammer Six]

Bret, you chose the word "rat".

You can choose words that inflame, or you can choose words that don't.

Don't choose an inflammatory word and then complain about the smoke.

[skimmerhead]

isn't tampering with the U.S. MAIL a felony. or did i read one of this 800 whatever's post wrong ?

skimmerhead :?:

[Jammer Six]

I don't know, but I know it's a crime.

Proving a crime is a whole different deal. A third or fourth hand post (or even a confession online) isn't going to do it.

[Mooseman]

isn't tampering with the U.S. MAIL a felony. or did i read one of this 800 whatever's post wrong ?

skimmerhead :?:

AGAIN...More Buffalo chips.
How can a guy in Illinois tamper with mail in Alaska ???

[429421Cowboy]

Hmmm... the plot continues to thicken. I thought this all started to be a very elaborate April fools joke to be honest. It scares me to think that we are all this close to such hate and use of tech to disassemble an entire family business.
Montana Charlie, even though we could probably throw rocks at each other from our front porches based on where your handle says your at, i have never thought you posted anything but truthful and respectful text from what i have seen in my time here.

[excess650]

I have no idea as to what has transpired, and refuse to speculate. I DO need to order some Bullplate as my little sample bottles aren't going to last forever. Unlike the guy I mailed $ for a sharpening stone and received a rock, I expect the product received from these folks will be what is expected.

[Firebricker]

I normally stay out of these thing but if 800d stated his sole purpose of being a member here was to harm another members business I would like to see Banned undere his name. FB

[starmac]

I normally stay out of these thing but if 800d stated his sole purpose of being a member here was to harm another members business I would like to see Banned undere his name. FB

I may be wrong, but I took it that 800d was a temporary handle created for one purpose.

[easy ed]

Could someone please post Dan's address so I can place an order.

Thanks

[Ramar]

CM,
I'll go to war with ya!!
Ramar

[firefly1957]

Someone should try the complaint department down at the bottom of the page.

[Wots]

The Bullshop
HC 62 box 5640
Delta Junction Alaska 99737

[slide]

I for one am going to order what Bullplate I think I need and then let the situation go. I posted earlier that somebody should be able to do something. After thinking about it I stepped over the line. If Dan and Tina wanted something done they would have asked for help or took care of it themselves. This is their business not ours. I think all of us need to let it go and send best wishes and prayers for these people and that is all. Whoever or wherever this person is , what goes around comes around.

[pmer]

I hoping someone could explain their boolit products. I know what the bullplate does but not sure what application their boolit lubes fit into.

In my case I have a RCBS sizer with no heater. I would like for pistol up to mag velocity and rifle not past 2200 FPS. But haven't shot much past 1700 FPS so far.

Thanks

[Ickisrulz]

This is their business not ours.

On the other hand, the best way to keep a secret is to begin by not telling people you have a secret...just sayin'.

[troy_mclure]

I have a Lyman 45. Speed green is a touch too hard to run thru it. I have to put a lamp on the
Sizer to get it soft enough.

[wiljen]

I think we have heard about all angles on this now. Please let the speculation and theories die down. Discussion of products is fine. If this continues to head down the road to witch hunt, I will lock it or remove it. If you have evidence or proof please share, if you have guesses, speculation, thoughts, or theories please keep them to yourself. They serve no purpose but to incite others and I don't want to see a lynch mob formed based on what somebody might have done or what somebody thought was the truth.

[slide]

I haven't used their lubes but am sure they are good. A lot of the guys here use them. You might do some research. You should find answers to your questions.

[danski26]

There can be many layers of ISP's until your sure you have peeled back all the layers, the ISP's can bounce all over the place. It's not the easiest thing to trace and could be impossible if someone is good enough at hiding their tracks. Again....just FYI

[Bret4207]

Bret, you chose the word "rat".

You can choose words that inflame, or you can choose words that don't.

Don't choose an inflammatory word and then complain about the smoke.

I'm not complaining about anything. You are the one complaining. I used exactly the word that applies if someone did this.

[Bret4207]

I think we have heard about all angles on this now. Please let the speculation and theories die down. Discussion of products is fine. If this continues to head down the road to witch hunt, I will lock it or remove it. If you have evidence or proof please share, if you have guesses, speculation, thoughts, or theories please keep them to yourself. They serve no purpose but to incite others and I don't want to see a lynch mob formed based on what somebody might have done or what somebody thought was the truth.

There is no "lynch mob" forming. Concern was expressed based on the wording of Tinas post and email- no more, no less. It appears no more information will be forthcoming. So we're right back at not knowing.

[jcwit]

Frankly we as a group should know, but thats just me crying in the wilderness.

[clintsfolly]

Bullshop and Mom have been here all through this time period. IF they wanted to clear this up they would have posted more. Good Luck to the Bullshop Clan. Clint

[DrB]

I normally stay out of these thing but if 800d stated his sole purpose of being a member here was to harm another members business I would like to see Banned undere his name. FB

If it is the same individual I would suspect, they have already been banned, banned, and banned again (add a few etcs). Being banned doesn't take your keyboard away, it just means you might have to set up a new free email address, and rejoin with new name.

I think my personal count alone of reporting this individual's new screen names was three different names (well, maybe chewing out one and reporting abuse on two). I expect there were many more ken and the mods had to deal with. They kept coming back with new names, spinning new lies and innuendo about dan and tina.

I dont disagree with clint. I think dan and tina have a life of which the board was just a small part, and the shenanigans are not worth it to them.

They have my respects and best wishes, and I do hope to hear more about how their family is doing in the future.

[gray wolf]

I wasn't issued to much chit- chat
But I would like to know what this is all about

[starmac]

I wasn't issued to much chit- chat
But I would like to know what this is all about

No one has a clue, but if we don't drop as the mod has asked, it will be another locked thread.
Some have asked what lubes they have available, for what applications and how well they worked, those that have used them could help bullshop by giving a review of their products. I so far haven't used them, so could only mention things I read here.

[DrB]

Uh, I think those that talked to Dan when this was going on and he was active have a clue, though I believe there were two different theories as to whom the party was, depending on whether you talked to bs Dan or cb board mod. In neither theory was it a legit cb board member.

Their lubes and bullplate worked very well for me. Dan's products always did for me what he claimed they would and I think bullshop is top notch.

Lotak soft gave me 3200 fps in my hornet with gc 22bhn 224107s and NO lead fouling, and has worked well for me in other rifle applications. Bullplate works well.

[starmac]

I suppose no clue was a poor choice, but I was referring to the general masses, obviously there are those thet know, and iirc way back it was mentioned that Dan wanted to keep it private. For a man dedicated to his beliefs, I can see reasons for this and respect them.

Thanks for the reports of the products. It sounds like from all reports that just a few bucks will get a guy a lifetime supply of original bullplate from them.

[jonk]

I for one will have no problem living without bullplate. I never thought it was anything great- as a mold lube; I just never needed it. However, I did find it made nice lube (speed green) and that the whole bullplate business and family were very friendly and straightforward to deal with.

As such I won't hound them about the formula, but just wish them the best and hope that they find happiness and success wherever they go.

[Char-Gar]

The vast majority of folks on this board are squared away guys, but there are a few total jerks. However, I can's see allowing one of these, to get under my skin to the point I would close up shop that provided income my family needed. But who knows, the world is full of different kinds of people. My dealings with Bullshop have all been positive. Sorry to see this happen, but it is one of those things we will never know. Probably better we don't.

[MikeS]

The only thing I want to say about this is that it's obvious that the family wants to keep their reasons for their actions private, and they have every right to do this. Having said that, I feel it was wrong of Tina to have posted the line in her post that created all this controversy. I mean if you want something to be private, keep it private, don't post a line that begs a question, and then not answer any questions. I'm sure she didn't intend this whole thread to come from her post, but seeing that it did, I feel (and I could be totally wrong) that at the very least she should post something either explaining what happened, or if they want to keep it private, then she should apologize for stating that line the way she did, and ask us to disregard it.

I have no horse in this race, I wasn't involved in whatever happened, and don't even know what happened, other than from what I've read in this thread (and others like it), and I wish them all the best in everything they do in the future.

[captaint]

Wow. This whole thing is just a shame. Really sorry to see the Bullshop folks go. Best of luck to them in the future. I should get some more Bullplate. Mike

[Bob J]

Yep, it's a shame and I for one will miss them..... Certainly wish them the best....

[Rockchucker]

The only thing I want to say about this is that it's obvious that the family wants to keep their reasons for their actions private, and they have every right to do this. Having said that, I feel it was wrong of Tina to have posted the line in her post that created all this controversy. I mean if you want something to be private, keep it private, don't post a line that begs a question, and then not answer any questions. I'm sure she didn't intend this whole thread to come from her post, but seeing that it did, I feel (and I could be totally wrong) that at the very least she should post something either explaining what happened, or if they want to keep it private, then she should apologize for stating that line the way she did, and ask us to disregard it.

I have no horse in this race, I wasn't involved in whatever happened, and don't even know what happened, other than from what I've read in this thread (and others like it), and I wish them all the best in everything they do in the future.

Very well said, If you want it private, leave it private. All inquiring minds are curious now.

[DukeInFlorida]

For whatever their reasons, we have to respect their decisions.

They are not leaving the CB community high and dry. They are allowing anyone who wants product to order before the final shutdown date, which they have announced well ahead of time.

I love Bull Plate lube, and have enough for my casting needs. But there were mold lubes before Dan came along, and there will be lubes well after most of us are gone. Such is life.

I respect whatever reasons that Dan and Tina have for their decisions, and wish them well. Life in Alaska isn't easy. But there are many who wouldn't trade it for all of the world.

[flounderman]

just for the record, rat is a prison word in the old movies. it's snitch, now. we have inmates in the prison. we have inmates that will tell you, I'm not an inmate, I'm a convict. you lose all credibility when you misuse the language.

[blackthorn]

Rat, inmate, convict--- A rose by any other name----

A rat is a filthy rodent! It spreads disease and causes untold damage to crops and property! It needs to be eradicated! I hate rats!!! (sorry Gear)

[Jammer Six]

I agree with Mike S.

[geargnasher]

Rat, inmate, convict--- A rose by any other name----

A rat is a filthy rodent! It spreads disease and causes untold damage to crops and property! It needs to be eradicated! I hate rats!!! (sorry Gear)

I agree 100%. The fancy ones (not the Norwegian sewer variety) make really good, handle-able pets, though. Like a ferret but subtract the stink and the bad attitude. The wild ones have to be kept in check or they will overpopulate in a matter of months. IIRC the gestation period is about 21 days, and a newborn is fertile in about a month, and they have zero scruples about incest, so two rats can turn into 5000 in about two months. Scary, huh?

Gear

[41 mag fan]

I agree 100%. The fancy ones (not the Norwegian sewer variety) make really good, handle-able pets, though. Like a ferret but subtract the stink and the bad attitude. The wild ones have to be kept in check or they will overpopulate in a matter of months. IIRC the gestation period is about 21 days, and a newborn is fertile in about a month, and they have zero scruples about incest, so two rats can turn into 5000 in about two months. Scary, huh?

Gear

1 pair of mice or rats can be responsible for up to 10k rats or mice in a yr.
Used to raise them for the snakes I raised and sold back in the '90's.
Had a 100 breeders of mice and rats.
Make good pets, except the pop a turd every 2 minutes.

[Montana Ron]

I started reading all the comment going on here and ended with a headache.........If the issue is not providing the ingredients of a product and shutting down a business due to fear of the Socialist SOB's running this mess in Washington then lets just say it.....Take them to court as
there are millions of items with vague or NO ingredients posted at all that also have the potential of being intimidated into closing down.............I find it hard to believe this to be the issue but as my business is being driven into closure at this near future if the jack ***** don't
get this economy going they are just sinking from Governmental mismanagement of the whole
country and every facet of viability............Who knows......

[Jammer Six]

Uhm...

You want to take Bullshop to court?

I don't see you winning that one.

[starmac]

I can't see how the ingredients are any kind of issue, It is still for sale, with plans for it to be for sale again in the future.
She has given everyone notice to get some to tide them over for a while or even a lifes supply. I understand a little goes a long way.

I haven't noticed Bullshop on here for months, just bullshop mom and a couple times bullshop jr.
Dan may be off getting the new place ready to move to, or he might have had to go off to work somewhere, who knows.

[Bret4207]

A rat is any kind of fink, jerk, low life, scum bag, dipwad, heel, etc. A rat is a pest, a good for nothing, something you don't want around.

I really have a hard time believing no one else ever heard the term.

[starmac]

Bret, words and terms are used differently in different parts of the country, BUT I was raised in texas, it seems like rat has pretty much the same use . lol

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

A rat is any kind of fink, jerk, low life, scum bag, dipwad, heel, etc. A rat is a pest, a good for nothing, something you don't want around.

I really have a hard time believing no one else ever heard the term.

Rats !!!
That is what I say,
when things don't go my way.

[Pb Burner]

I'm new to the site. This whole deal seems to stink.
That said, everything I've read here makes me want some Bullshop sprue plate lube and I don't even own a mold yet. I would like to have a couple of small bottles on hand when I do start casting. I see Bullshops mailing address but don't know any prices or what kind of payment they would accept. I would like to send a check their way just don't know the prices/shipping amounts.
I did send them an email a week or so ago but no reply.
Could someone please tell me how much $ to mail them to get a few small bottles? And would they take a personel check?
Thanks!
Burner

[Alvarez Kelly]

I'm new to the site. This whole deal seems to stink.
That said, everything I've read here makes me want some Bullshop sprue plate lube and I don't even own a mold yet. I would like to have a couple of small bottles on hand when I do start casting. I see Bullshops mailing address but don't know any prices or what kind of payment they would accept. I would like to send a check their way just don't know the prices/shipping amounts.
I did send them an email a week or so ago but no reply.
Could someone please tell me how much $ to mail them to get a few small bottles? And would they take a personel check?
Thanks!
Burner

Email Tina. Her contact info is in her post. I bought some sprue lube after she posted they were shutting down. It was delivered last Saturday. She doesn't waste time.

Edited to ad her contact info:

bullshop@wildak.net
Tina - BS MOM

[Stick_man]

I'm new to the site. This whole deal seems to stink.
That said, everything I've read here makes me want some Bullshop sprue plate lube and I don't even own a mold yet. I would like to have a couple of small bottles on hand when I do start casting. I see Bullshops mailing address but don't know any prices or what kind of payment they would accept. I would like to send a check their way just don't know the prices/shipping amounts.
I did send them an email a week or so ago but no reply.
Could someone please tell me how much $ to mail them to get a few small bottles? And would they take a personel check?
Thanks!
Burner

See post numbers 84 and 85 for pricing. Very reasonable pricing, quick turnaround. I have always just sent a MO. Last I heard, they do not accept Paypal and I am not sure about personal checks.

[Bret4207]

http://www.castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=143508&page=2

The rat may have been ID'd. It's just sad at this point.

[wiljen]

Alright, I said enough of the convictions based on speculation. Thread locked and don't start another on the topic or you risk 10 days off.