Pointiest heavy .30 bullet?

[Lucky]

I just saw this for 7.62x39 and think I must get it.
http://www.rcbs.com/chartimages/82022.gif

But I've just ordered a 30.06 that will be fun for long range shooting, so a bullet like the one above, but weighing closer to 190gr would be really nice.


Incidentally, are there problems with these bullets deforming at any stage before shooting?

[JeffinNZ]

Don't be fooled. Pointy is not necessarily a good thing in cast bullets. They are notriously hard to get to shoot. You might just be surprised how high the BC is on some cast bullets (IE: Lyman 314299) and they shoot like a house on fire.

[Leftoverdj]

There was a group buy some years back on a very pointed .30 cal of over 200 grains. A few claimed good results at over 2000 fps, but most of us found it got squirrelly past 1600 fps. You could talk me out of mine pretty easy.

The Lee C312-155-2R is an excellent bullet for the 7.62x39 and most other .30 cals.

[garandsrus]

Leftoverdj,

Was the pointed .30 cal a 2 or 6 cavity mold? If Lucky isn't interested in it, I might be...

Thanks,
John

[grouch]

I've used the old Lyman 311365 for over 40 yrs and been very happy with it. It was designed by someone named Kachelries for target work in 30 - 06. Mine comes out at +/- 203gr with ww + 2% tin or 20 : 1. While I haven't achieved tremendous velocities with it, it's certainly been right there with 311299(with a .305 nose), 311284, 311291, 31141, and several of the Lee molds for accuracy.
In 30 - 06(either '03 or 1917 enfield) I've had numerous 100yd 5 - shot groups under 1" using 16 - 20gr 2400. Also similar results with th 30 - 40 Krag.
As far as I'm concerned, the theory that pointy bullets won't shoot is a myth made popular by a lot of badly designed pointy bullets. Given the same design faults, I suspect that the other nose shapes wouldn't shoot either.
Veral Smith has it right - beware of a lot of unsupported nose rattling down the bore ahead of a bullet.
Hope this helps.
Grouch

[trk]

Leftoverdj,

Was the pointed .30 cal a 2 or 6 cavity mold? If Lucky isn't interested in it, I might be...

Thanks,
John

It was a ONE cavity mould, and if I rember right, more than 40 were made. There SHOULD be one out there available.

[Ricochet]

Yeah. You can't have mine. I've had good luck with it in my .300 Weatherby and K-31 Swiss carbine.

[Leftoverdj]

The Aladin .30 HBC is a one cavity 'cause it's too long to fit in any of the other Lee blocks. It just barely fits in the single cavity blocks.

[HORNET]

Lucky,
You could always look for the semi-infamous 311413 Squibb ( about 169 gr) or its big brother the 311329 (185 gr on my 308329 version). Great fun at lower speeds but heartbreakers when you pump up the pressure:( . That 329's got more unsupported nose than Jimmy Durante, if you remember him.:roll:

[NVcurmudgeon]

I was given an old Ideal 311413 by a friend. Conventional wisdom dictates that this mould has three strikes against it; notoriously bad design, single cavity, and no vent lines. Maybe, as Jack O' Connor used to say, Marilyn Monroe breathed softly upon this mould at the factory, because it is the best behaved mould in my accumulation. After VERY FEW warm-up casts it turns out nearly all keepers, and most of them drop of their own accord. My NRA Sporter Springfield and No. 4 Enfield thrive on this boolit at around 1200 fps. Two inch, 100 yard, groups are the norm for the Springfield, and not much worse for the 1943 milsurp. It casts .314" so it is easy to give each rifle the correct sizing. But I'm not demented enough to try for longer ranges or higher velocities with 311413, there are long, heavy, roundnoses on my bench for that.

[OLPDon]

From Past Posts and Threads:
It seems as though almost any Cast Boolit can be given accuracy but as in all they have there limits. I find a Cast that is unfriendly can be made neighborly within its limits. If speed is what is wanted you have to go the the friendly side of town.

Now when a rifle or pistol can't shoot worth its weight feeding it the best cast and load with the best lube sure wont bring life to the lifeless. My eyes are not what they were of years past and I like others here deal with the eyes as best we can. It also gives me a out (must of been the eyes today) it keeps the tinkering down and help me keep my sanity. I find if I reach to high I get really get low. Sometimes reading a post and I see sub MOA's and I look at my same cast boolit and say to it, is it me or is it you.
There is a Golden BeeBee out there for us all. I must admit I do the Chuck Yager thing, always nice to push that envolope now and then. I just try to keep it in perspective.
Sometimes that dog don't hunt.
Don

[KCSO]

I have a Modern Bond bullet that comes out at 195 grains and is a perfect spire point. I have yet to get as good of groups from it as I have from the Lyman 31141. I have however had excellent luck with the Lee you posted. That bullet will always shoot under 1 1/2" in my Krag and does nearly as well in a 303 and an Argentine.

[redneckdan]

anyone have one of those 200ish grain pointy GB molds that would be willing to either loan it to me or work out some kinda trade for boolits? I'm working on a .300x.221 fireball and I want to see what pointy boolits do.