Need help with info on Stevens tip up pistol

[nwellons]

I just got this one today. It is a Stevens tip up and may also be called a #35 and or a Stevens offhand or offhand target.

One source I found said the marking on this pistol was used from 1886 to 1916.

Can anyone give me any more info or a source?


Corrected heading since I found out correct model; Model 35 rather than tip-up.

Thanks to everyone for your help.

[Rio Grande]

I had a chance to examine one years ago.
Loved it. Simple mechanically, handles like a dream.
Why in the world doesn't someone make a copy today?

[Bret4207]

I didn't buy one like that years back, and I still kick myself. I've seen a few articles on them, I'll have to try and remember to look around to find them. You might check the archives of The Single Shot Exchange. I think there is at least one J Stevens Arms collectors book out too.

That looks to be in nice shape. Good on you!

[Bent Ramrod]

If you can find a copy of "Stevens' Pistols and Pocket Rifles" by Kenneth L. Cope, there is a pretty complete rundown of this type of Stevens gun. Also Bill West's book on "Stevens & Savage" is a pretty thorough description of all models by both manufacturers.

The predecessor was the Gould pistol which was made from 1889 to 1903. There was apparently some kind of hiatus until 1907, when the Gould was redesigned to eliminate the firing pin bushing and the grip modified slightly. The result was the pistol you have, the Offhand #35, made from 1907 to 1916. Calibers were .22 Short, Long Rifle, Stevens-Pope, WRF and .25 Stevens. Barrel lengths were 6", 8" and 10". After WWI and the takeover of Stevens by Savage, the #35 Offhand was again changed, to incorporate a longer trigger and a (to me at least) rather cheesy bent-metal trigger guard. This version was made from 1923 to 1942. It was in .22 LR only, but there was another version, called the Autoshot, in .410 Shot caliber. An additional barrel length for this version was 12-1/4". This info is from Cope's book.

In the 1950's and 60's, an importer called Hawes (I think) offered a copy of the earlier #35 Offhand, and specimens of these are very occasionally found at gun shows. They had rather attractive faux-ivory grips and what looked like chrome, rather than nickel plated frames. By then the idea of a single shot pistol was so obsolete as to be only a curiousity and they did not sell well. This was well before Thompson-Center started making their pistols; I don't know if a revival of the Stevens version would go now or not.

I have a 35 like yours that needed a complete rebuilding, including link, extractor, firing pin, barrel pin and catch and a reline job. The fun coefficient made all that work worth it; I wish I could shoot as well as it does.

[nwellons]

I appreciate the responses folks, and thanks for the great information, Bent Ramrod. Looks like the Stevens & Savage book is still in print at West Arms Library.

I have been having great fun shooting it over the last 3 days. It is much more accurate than my ability to hold steady. What a great pistol.

[Bambeno]

Great looking gun, you got a nice one. If you plan on shooting it much at all I would highly recommend not using high velocity ammo in it. Would be a shame to shoot it loose. Enjoy it thou, they are wonderful little guns.

[nwellons]

I bought it for my "quiet" backyard range I built. I'm using Colibris in my pistols and Super Colibris in my rifles. Only disadvantage is they are a bit dirty but I don't mind cleaning after each session.

[pietro]

I just got this one today. It is a Stevens tip up and may also be called a #35 and or a Stevens offhand or offhand target.

One source I found said the marking on this pistol was used from 1886 to 1916.

Can anyone give me any more info or a source?

The Tip-up model pictured only looks like a a No.35 Stevens Off Hand Target Pistol, introduced after the legendary Conklin No.38, Gould No.37 & Lord No.36 were discontinued.

Early versions had a heavy/cast TG, later ones were lighter strap iron; issue bbl lengths were 6", 8," 10", or 12-1/4", in .22 & .25 cal, and in .410 smoothbore until the 1934 National Firearms Act took effect. They were discontinued in 1916; the Autoshot No.35/.410 was made 1929-34.
I believe, because of the TG, it's a later post WWI revival, a No.35 Off Hand (not "Target"), intro'd in 1923, discontinued in 1942.

IIRC, Euro-made .22LR clones were imported into the US by Galef in the 1970's.

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[SwedeNelson]

Great little guns

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/swedenelson/STEVENS.jpg
(3) No.35 "Off-Hand Target" models and a No.41 "Tip-Up" model
Would like to find a No.40 "New Model" 18" Pocket Rifle

Swede Nelson

[ReloaderFred]

This is an old thread, but I found it on a search. I purchased three guns today and one of them is a Stevens Model 35.

Here it is:

http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m606/ReloaderFred/DSCF0360.jpg

Here are the three guns I paid a total of $500.00 for:

http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m606/ReloaderFred/DSCF0358.jpg

The bottom one is a Model 17, purchased new in 1971. I think the original owner carried it a few times, but it spent most of it's life in the box.

Fred

[Bent Ramrod]

ReloaderFred,

You probably got your $500 worth in the S&W alone. Is that the original box for the #35 underneath it?

[ReloaderFred]

Thanks, Bent Ramrod. I only wish that was the original box for the Model 35! It's an old S&W box for a Model 15 that was stolen from the seller about 25 years ago. I wish both boxes were in better condition, especially the one for the Model 17, but at least it's the original box the gun came from the factory in.

Fred

[KCSO]

They made a copy back inthe 70's and nobody would buy them.

I have relined several of these and made new locking blocks for them. They are good shooters and most had excellent triggers from the factory. In 1970 this was my wife's favorite gun until someone stole it from the car.Wards sold these in about 1900 for under $5.00.

[6.5 mike]

I have one of the copys, fun shooter with shorts. Hammer spring is so strong wife can't cock it. Have to watch that it doesn't slip out from under your thumb.

[ReloaderFred]

The one I bought is an original, and even has a little of the original case hardening on the receiver. I just got back from a trip to Arizona for a match, and haven't had a chance to fire any of my acquisitions yet. It's storming here, but I hope to get to the range next week and see how they shoot.

Fred

[uscra112]

ReloaderFred,

You probably got your $500 worth in the S&W alone. Is that the original box for the #35 underneath it?

I'll say ! I paid another $100 when I bought my Model 17. Yours looks every bit as nice as mine.

CCI Quiet should be a treat in the little tip-up. I hate shooting that Colibri stuff because of the hard ring of fouling it leaves in the chamber. Takes an age of soaking to get it out. Brushing it does not speed matters up, so I don't

[uhjohnson]

My aunt just sent me my grandfathers #35 and it has been in a stevens holster for atleast 50 to 60 years and there isn't any rust. The serial number is in the 27,000 range and it has two drilled and tapped holes on the backstrap where it looks like there was a shoulder stock at one time also the muzzle has an 3/8 knurled extension that looks like it could be
screwed on. Could this be the target version

[Bent Ramrod]

Stevens Number 35's were all classed as Sporting, rather than Target pistols. A number 35 in the 27,000 range is one of the early models, as the Gould models stopped at around 25,000. None of the Goulds, Conlins or 35's were set up for shoulder stocks at the factory. A factory installation would have a groove in the butt for the lower stock member and a single threaded hole well down the backstrap for the screw holding the top member. These were available on the various Pocket Rifles, which could do double duty as pistols.

The Conlin Vernier model had two holes well up the backstrap for the vernier rear sight. Perhaps some gunsmith did an aftermarket job on your grandfather's gun to fit one of these sights. Long after it was discontinued, Lyman offered a sight for the New Model Pocket Rifle that also could have been fitted onto a 35. Holes for this would also be high enough on the backstrap so the sight base would not interfere too much with the shooter's hand.

A threaded bushing on the muzzle is usually a protector for a barrel that has been threaded for a silencer.

Stevens offered cases for pocket rifles and takedown rifles, but I see no mention of a pistol holster. Could you post a picture of your gun and holster?

[uhjohnson]

i will get you some pictures meanwhile i found this bit of info

http://americansocietyofarmscollectors.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/B021_Kyser.pdf

[uhjohnson]

Here are some pictures of my #35 showing the muzzle cover that could be a threaded barrel for a silencer, I have tried to remove it with a pair of pliers and a piece of radiator hose and it won't budge. Also the backstrap has been drilled and tapped for an vernier sight (possibly). If anybody has the specs from an original drill and tap let me know the measurements. Lastly iwas off from my earlier post of the serial number by almost 20,000

I will get pictures of the holster soon

[Bent Ramrod]

Nice specimen. It's still one of the "old style" with the cast trigger guard, i.e., the über cool version. How does it shoot?

I would imagine your backstrap is drilled for a Lyman No. 43 or 44 sight. I don't know the thread size offhand, but you ought to measure it with a wood match and a thread gauge in any case. Your gunsmith ought to have plug screws to fill the holes. You may find a replacement silencer before you luck onto one of the sights. :mrgreen:

[uhjohnson]

I have not shot this and when I do I will use Colibri

Do yo know for sure that my Stevens is set up for a silencer and if so how can I get the thread protector off

Thanks

[Bent Ramrod]

I've seen a few .22 rifles of the same period with similar knurled thread protectors. You could buy a silencer back then with no registration or excise tax. They were either screwed on to the threaded end of the barrel or attached to the unmodified barrel with a clamp. You needed a gunsmith with a lathe to thread the barrel, unless you sent the gun in to the manufacturer to be fitted at the factory.

There were ads in the sporting magazines showing a kid in Little Lord Fauntleroy clothes shooting his silencer equipped .22 at a target set up in the living room fireplace. Through the open door to the kitchen, you could see Mater talking unconcernedly with her lady friends over tea. O tempore, O mores.

When I have something like that stuck together, I warm the assembly and treat it with Kroil or Liquid Wrench. I bought a small strap wrench at Home Depot and use that as persuasion with the barrel held in nonmarring jaws in a vise. If you can't get it apart, it really isn't hurting anything the way it is.

[SOFMatchstaff]

Mine is a 8" bbl, strap trigger guard, un drilled backstrap, barrel threaded 1/2x20 RH thread, 17500 serial range. I've seen three different knurl patterns on the muzzle nut, full fine pattern like yours, center fine knurl stripe like mine, and coarse full knurl. It is really quiet with the little TAC65 attached. I made an adaptor for my CZ452 that is 1/2x20 and found it fit the pistol too. lucky me.

you might try a bit of heat and a layer of aluminum beer can for the grip on the knurling, heat and paraffin usually will get it done..

[slumlord44]

Soak with Kroil and use a heat gun to heat it. Won't get hot enough to damage anything. Got a stuck barrel on a 44 loose that way.

[uhjohnson]

What kind of suppressor was used when the gun was manufactured, I would like to find a period silencer if possible

[John Allen]

I have never came across a tip up yet. One day I will. That Smith is a great gun. It is my favorite 22 that I own

[SOFMatchstaff]

Period correct suppressor was most likely a Maxim, I have seen them, but they are scarce. the oddest one I've ever handled was a Maxim marked 25/35 for a Winchester lever action. It was on its way into the furnace, almost cried....

[rking22]

I ran across one of these yesterday, all I could do to keep my wallet from jumping out of my pocket. I did not handle it for that very reason:)
May have to go back and discus the matter this weekend. Realistic value for the gun only, looks in good shape, 6ish inch barrel ?

[uhjohnson]

Here are the pictures of the holster that my #35 spend 50+ years in. I don't think it is a Stevens, on the belt loop is stamped 1094 (probably model number)
22 (for caliber) and 10 (barrel length). It's ok-- it's period