Anybody giving consideration about getting one of these?

[Hang Fire]

.22 rf over 410, kinda pricey when remembering what the original ones went for.

"Model 42 The Savage Combination Gun Is Back"

http://www.elabs10.com/content/2010002698/guns.jpg

http://www.elabs10.com/functions/message_view.html?mid=1570270&mlid=207335&siteid=2010002698&uid=c720e4c248

[Rio Grande]

It's ugly.
Nowhere near as good-looking as the old models.
What's that red plastic thing?
And the last time a saw a recoil pad fit like that it was on an old bubba-up'd gun in a pawnshop.

I'd be interested in knowing where it was made.
For that kind of $, I'd find an original with a nice walnut stock and no plastic on it.

[Bret4207]

Sigh (picture Bret shaking his head in disgust).............

[Hickory]

They should sell as well as the originals

[btroj]

Am I thinking or getting one? Nope.
In my desirability ranking it is just ahead of a Rossi ranch hand, a Chippa rhino, and a double barrel 1911. All of those are behind a colonoscopy without a sedative. I think that sums it up quite well.

[DragoonDrake]

Actully I think it looks kinda cool. I would want to shoot one before buying it. I would also want to see how it breaks down.

[Love Life]

Ewwww. Gross.

[SquirrelHollow]

It it looked better, and wasn't 60% plastic, I would probably get one.

[krag35]

You could not run fast enough to GIVE me one.

[Longwood]

It should get a lot of comments if you take it out in public.
The funniest ones, you may not hear.

[Mk42gunner]

While the idea of a .22 over a .410, (or any other shotgun) sounds good; the only reason I have ever regretted not buying a truck load of the Savages when they were less than $100 retail, is that I don't have them to sell for $4-500 now.

Personally, I think Savage missed the boat on this one. If it had wood stocks, I think it would sell better.

Robert

[stubshaft]

What a pathetic example of a survival gun. The only reason I never bought one of the originals is that it is illegal to hunt with in Hawaii.

[bob208]

so that is back door gun control. make them so ugly that no one will buy them or be cought with one.

[Bret4207]

Did anyone read the ad? The "wickedly effective 410"?!!!

[Marvin S]

IMO it is just plain ugly like most of the new stuff. I see the older ones at gun shows and think that might be something to have until I see the price and figgure they can keep it.

[Hardcast416taylor]

IMHO I feel now that I know where Obummer has found jobs for the seriously drug dependent losers, designing firearms.Robert

[Longwood]

I consider buying every gun I see for sale.
On a One to Ten scale, with a One being a non shooting, broken or worn out closet queen and a Ten being a nice Lever gun, a Hiwall or Sharps, I would give it a Two and maybe a Two and a half.

[marshall623]

I'll take one and get it dipped in advantage camo , handy yes - ugly yes all jokes aside they might have somthing if they come out with 223 / 20's or 12 's in like camo

[starmac]

It seems like ugly guns are the rage anymore. If it is basically weatherproof, I could look past the ugly.

I wouldn't be that interested in a 22/410, but a 30/30 over 12 that shot where you aimed, might get my interest up even in an ugly weatherproof gun.

[HangFireW8]

That handgrip looks perfect for that suppressed minoritity of shooters with foot-long trigger fingers.

[NoZombies]

Ugly as sin.

If the thing was a .357 over a 20 gauge, I would have to seriously consider looking beyond the ugly part, but as it sits, I'll just shake my head with Bret, and vow to laugh at anyone I see shooting one at the local range.

[BruceB]

My sweet Lord.

"Life is too short, to own UGLY GUNS!"

Google "Savage Model 24" (NOT "M42") to see what a decent Savage combination gun once looked like.

They came in many caliber pairings, right up to .30-30/20 gauge and .223/20 gauge. Along the way were were guns in .22LR, .22WMR, .222 etc., with either .410 or 20-gauge barrels

If I needed such a combo gun, I'd be looking on the used market, NOT at this piece of nightmarish dreck.

[Longwood]

A guy tried to sell me an UZI rifle about an hour ago.
I had no idea I look that stupid to some people.

[DDriller]

I have one of the original model. Stock is warped for leaving it in the truck one very hot day. Shoots great though.

[Hamish]

I get the same feeling times 2 that I got when I first saw the Remington Nylon 66. And just what IS that red "stuff" on the side??

What is that that half moon thingy in front of the trigger guard? A "safety"?

Somebody lost their mind, and then somebody else was too scared to say it looked like pigsquirt.

[Longwood]

Is not the hook thingie a release for breaking it open?
I also think it may be a bad photo shop job on the recoil pad.
Note the bottom photo.
The red gizmo may be the safety.

[olafhardt]

This is just a prototype. I have an old 24 22/20 thats a great small game gun. The rifle hits fairly close to the center of the shot pattern. My 30/30-20 didnot come close. The price is dirt cheap compaired to other combo guns. I think there's lots of ugly guns out there, so what? I hope it looks like it does because it can be properly regulated which is the real weakness of combos. A big plus of the Savage combos for small game hunters is locating the rifle over the shotgun to lower line of sight. I never had trouble finding use for a light combo for small game. For large game I favor a straight rifle. For what I do with a crack barrel shot gun a 22 helps but a30/30 just got in the way YMMV.

[Hang Fire]

Did anyone read the ad? The "wickedly effective 410"?!!!

How does a 400 grain slug at 1500 fps rate, maybe wickedly effective?

http://www.hoeningbigboresouth.com/Big410Ballistics.html

[starmac]

I would thnk they will come out with a 20 combo, fairly quick.
It has been years since I have bought, or even priced 410 ammo, but it used to be higher than 20 or 12.

[0verkill]

It's still quite a bit more than 12 or 20. If you go looking for 3" Magnum 410 shells, sit down before you ask the price. Havn't looked at the prices on the new "self defense" loads for the judge, bet they're really scary though.

As to the OP, looks aside I like the gun. Came close to buying an older one in a pawn shop a few years back (22 mag/20ga in actual real wood). I expect these will be priced way too high for more practical people, but doomsdayers will eat 'em up, the same way they drove prices up on the old ones.

[mdi]

Savage went "tacti-cool" and ruined a classic.

[Olevern]

Lots of older models out there on the market. In my eyes, that there gun scores a minus five on the one to ten scale.

[starmac]

If you think about it, savage has always made a business plan of building work guns, and not so much in the looks department. They are still here and still building some good working guns.
I can actually see a market for these if they shoot well, much more than say the mossberg tacticool lever. lol

[SlippShodd]

Maybe that recoil pad shifts directions when you change barrels to redirect the punishing recoil from the .410?
If I'd had the .22/20ga M24 when I was a kid, I would have ruled the planet. As it was, I never owned one until I became an adult, legal-age speaking, and I bought several. I picked them up cheap as wrecks at pawn shops, fixed them, and then sold them at gun shows at 4 or 5 times my investment. I literally had guys come out from behind their tables and follow me, bidding for the last one I had. In retrospect, I wish I had that one back. It was quite nice for its type.
>sigh<

mike

[Alan in Vermont]

When I was 15-16 I bought one of the "real" 24s in 22 mag/20 ga. persuasion. It was the deluxe model, satin chrome frame and super glossy, high comb stock. The 22 mag was accurate enough that when I initially sighted it in at 25 yds I shot out the four thumbtacks holding the target up with four shots. That was a serious woodchuck killer for a kid in farm country. The major flaw, and the one that made me dump it after a few years, was that the 20 ga tube shot low by a couple feet at the same 25 yds. Never was able to hit a flying target with it.

Sure was pretty though and I think it was around $80 in 1965 money.

[starmac]

Ugly as it is, I'm thinking if they would bring it back in 20 guage, it would make a pretty good winter sled gun, for furry and feathered things. It isn't like you would be worried about beating it up on the sled. lol

[HangFireW8]

I remember seeing an old Model 24, it was .222 over 20 gauge IIRC. I was interested in the 222 but not keen on the 20 part (I'm a 16 gauge guy at heart but do 12 gauge as well). Now I kick myself that I didn't buy it, every time I think about it.

I have a feeling the new ugly gun is just going to drive the market for the old ones to new price highs.

HF

[MikeD7]

Am I thinking or getting one? Nope.
In my desirability ranking it is just ahead of a Rossi ranch hand, a Chippa rhino, and a double barrel 1911. All of those are behind a colonoscopy without a sedative. I think that sums it up quite well.

This could not have been said better! I laughed so hard when I read it

[kenyerian]

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/01/chris-dumm/new-from-savage-model-42-combination/ Heres a link about it that say's a 22 mag over a 20 is coming soon. I'm pretty sure that one of the magazines I read that they will also be coming in other combinations as well. . how about a 357 maximum over a 20 gauge? Be a dandy gun to hunt Black bear with. Or a 223 over a 12 to use when calling coyotes ? Rifle for the long range and a shotgun for close running shots.

[Chamfered]

That's an ugly gun.... And I really like the old 24's, but cant warm up to this one. For the price I would have to say the Baikal IZH over unders are the best deal going right now. And if you really want to start breaking the HuH? barrier try locating an old Valmet over under..... They must have put a lot more gold into manufacturing than I thought.

[starmac]

I have read that the model 24s built before 68 when the barrels were connected the whole length were more accurate. Does anyone know anything about that.
I'm talking about the later m 24s, not this new 42.

[Four Fingers of Death]

The fact that the stock is plastic is no issue for me. It is a fact of life that economy guns wear plastic now.

They are re-introducing a classic, why not give it reasonably classic lines. The originals were a reasonable looking gun.

I have one in 222/20Ga, but it looks a whole lot better then this abomination.

If this one had of been similar looking shape to the old ones, but with a black plastic stock, I would have been ripping dollars out of my pocket to get one. As it is, I think I will pass thanks.

[bruce drake]

I've got a desire to see a .357 Mag over 20 Gauge offering. I can paint over the red plastic if the price is right to get a 357 Magnum/38Spl walk around rifle.

If Savage would offer a higher grade of this gun with WOOD, it would be much higher priority purchase.

Several states do outlaw these combo guns for hunting though so I'd also have to review the hunting regs as well before making the final decision to purchase one.

[Four Fingers of Death]

I've got a desire to see a .357 Mag over 20 Gauge offering. I can paint over the red plastic if the price is right to get a 357 Magnum/38Spl walk around rifle.

If Savage would offer a higher grade of this gun with WOOD, it would be much higher priority purchase.

Several states do outlaw these combo guns for hunting though so I'd also have to review the hunting regs as well before making the final decision to purchase one.

WOW! Hard to imagine in a place where you can own all sorts of exotic semi autos/ARs/SKS,SKKs, etc and handguns without numerous controls, etc, etc, etc that they would clamp down on a lowly combo gun.

[starmac]

What states are they outlawed in. I know some states are shotgun only and some handgun caliber rifle only, I guess these might be considered outlawed if in a rifle caliber other than 22 or 22mag.

[jh45gun]

If it sold for under two bills I might consider it as a truck gun but as is it is WAY OVER PRICED.

[Clinebo]

I'll stick with my Mod 24 .....I've had it for 44 yrs and it still gets the job done. 22lr over 20 gauge.

http://i497.photobucket.com/albums/rr336/RCline69/Shootin%20Irons/IMG_0382.jpg

[starmac]

Clinebo, That is sweet, how accurate is the 22, and how is the point of aim between the two barrels.

[Four Fingers of Death]

My 222/20Ga looks similar, Clinebo. But has a steel reciever and that crappy skip line checkering. Mine has a Leupold Vari X11 2-7 mounted on it and it is a handy bit of kit (scope is worth 2-3 times what the rifle is worth, lol.

[Bill*]

February castpic of the month contest was "ugliest gun" not April

[starmac]

While it can be called ugly, compared to the tacticool mossberg and the taurus judge rifle (what ever they call it) it is a thing of beauty. Savage downright lost the ugly title this year, even if they did give it a go.

[Four Fingers of Death]

The lever operated Judge is one silly looking rifle, buttttttttttttttttttttttt, the rimfire Double/single action revolver rifle model is attracting me. It comes with a 22LR Cylinder as well as a 22Mag Cylinder. I think being a revolver they would be a bit noisy though. Great for an assasin, take the brass with you.

They are pretty expensive, dearer than a nice CZ or SAKO Quad 22LR, but I suppose cheaper than a CZ or SAKO Quad with a spare barrel.

I have a SAKO Quad with 4 barrels, a BRNO/CZ bolt gun, a couple of cheap bolt 22s and a Browning pump and an old Rossi pump. Do I need a Judge in 22LR/22Mag???? I don't think so.

[sledgehammer001]

Am I thinking or getting one? Nope.
In my desirability ranking it is just ahead of a Rossi ranch hand, a Chippa rhino, and a double barrel 1911. All of those are behind a colonoscopy without a sedative. I think that sums it up quite well.

I'm with btroj! I owned an original 223 over 20ga back in the 80's. THIS thing looks like a crackhead's concept on a drug trip. No thanks! [smilie=2:
Jon

[bruce drake]

The State of Indiana outlaws combo-guns for deer hunting since it is a shotgun/muzzleloader/pistol cartridge rifle-only state for hunting deer with a firearm. It may change in the future since they recently approved the pistol cartridges (357Mag or larger) for deer hunting...

Since a person could claim to be hunting with the shotgun barrel but in reality be using the centerfire barrel underneath, the state outlawed the firearm setup for hunting.

[mdi]

Savage ruined a good classic by "tacti-cooling" it...

[olafhardt]

I don't see any thing wrong with it. They brought it up to date. It aint tacticool, whatever that is. It's just modern. If the rifle hits close to the center of the shotgun pattern it will be great. You traditionalist need to shut up till we see if it works. It is even cheap for a combo.

[Lefthandshooter]

I learned how to shoot on an over/under but .22 over 20 ga, and would love one - but it's have to be an older one since this one is not only wrong caliber but ugly!

It makes a HiPoint look good!

[starmac]

It is a sad day that plastic means up to date.

[flint45]

What is Savage thinking? ugly butt ugly!

[wallenba]

My first gun was a Savage 24. I miss that gun, but this does nothing for me. I like wood on my rifles. Sign of the times I guess.

[DeanWinchester]

*Screaming, explicit language filled rant*


*** is wrong with gun makers today. That gun look HORRIBLE!!! It's as bad as mossberg's tacticool lever action. Who's buying this garbage????

We have multi axis machining centers, metallurgy worlds ahead of ANYTHING yesteryear gunmakers could even fathom, we have Wire EDM, Vacuum Furnace heat treating, programmable moving fixtures, tombstone fixtures that can hold hundreds of parts at once plus pallet changers so the machine NEVER stops moving. Robotic parts changers so parts can be run around the clock.
SO!! Why did we shˆt on quality? Fit, finish, and thinking out the project before a chip is ever made.
If an apprentice of Samuel Colt would have brought something like this [below] to his bench, Sam's decomposing arm would still be swinging a hammer at the guy's head.


http://i943.photobucket.com/albums/ad277/Bojnfaith/Mossberg-464-SPX-Lever-Action-Rifle-Suppressor-Ready.jpg

[wallenba]

*Screaming, explicit language filled rant*


*** is wrong with gun makers today. That gun look HORRIBLE!!! It's as bad as mossberg's tacticool lever action. Who's buying this garbage????

We have multi axis machining centers, metallurgy worlds ahead of ANYTHING yesteryear gunmakers could even fathom, we have Wire EDM, Vacuum Furnace heat treating, programmable moving fixtures, tombstone fixtures that can hold hundreds of parts at once plus pallet changers so the machine NEVER stops moving. Robotic parts changers so parts can be run around the clock.
SO!! Why did we shˆt on quality? Fit, finish, and thinking out the project before a chip is ever made.
If an apprentice of Samuel Colt would have brought something like this [below] to his bench, Sam's decomposing arm would still be swinging a hammer at the guy's head.


http://i943.photobucket.com/albums/ad277/Bojnfaith/Mossberg-464-SPX-Lever-Action-Rifle-Suppressor-Ready.jpg

Yeah...what HE said!

[starmac]

They make them because they SELL, that gives you an indication of how screwed up this world we live in really is. lol

[edsmith]

there ain't no such thing as a ugly gun just some better looking than others.:bigsmyl2:

[bkbville]

I'm glad everyone hates it - I'll be able to dicker the price down at my FFL... (and then sell it on gun broker in a few years to the same people turning their nose up here)

[waksupi]

I can wait.....

[wallenba]

Was just thinkin'. They might be able to salvage this Savage, if they fit, and offer a wood stock for the traditionalists. Waddya tink?