Lyman 452664

[12DMAX]

Would like to know what size this will drop using WW's + 2% tin?

Thanks Amigo's!

[runfiverun]

depens on when it was made and the condition of the cherry used at the time it was cut.
my 2 cavity 452664 with ww's and tin drops just over 453.
and my 4 cavity with ww's some tin and some soft added will squeak out 454.
these were made in the late 80's early 90's
my 454424 is just the opposite the older square lube groove drops to 454 and the newer 4 cav will only make 453 with the ww and soft lead w tin mix.
they can be lapped out easily enough to gain a couple of thousandths if necessary

[12DMAX]

Welp I went ahead and bought one and it drops a very consistent 250g .451 boolit, DANG. Was hoping I'd get lucky with one dropping a bit big.

[runfiverun]

a recent one i'm betting.
just lap it out, 1-2 thousandths is super easy.
almost every single new lyman iv'e heard about has needed to be lapped out lately.

[12DMAX]

11/21/11 says the sticker in the box.

[12DMAX]

Ok, WW's were small .450ish I figured that but was hoping not, soooo I brewed up some wannabe #2 and got them to .451ish 90* of the part and .453ish on the part:violin: Maybe I will sell it ? Will lyman do anything about it ?

[geargnasher]

I had one from 2008 that dropped .449x.450" with clippy weights and a pinch of tin. I lapped it , but by the time I got it to cast .453 the edges were a tad rounded. I bought an older one from a member here and it drops right at .4525" and round with the same alloy. I would cast .453" no problem with a richer alloy, but .4525 is what I size them for anyway.

If you want guarantees, order a custom mould from Accurate or Mountain molds. NOE just did a run of an excellent 452664-ish copy that I believe did away with the bevel, but I'm not sure if he has any of them left. Accurate has several good looking designs already drawn up that have the nose length, meplat, and ogive shape needed for SAA revolvers and leverguns.

Another option is to contact Erik Ohlen of Hollowpointmold dot com and see about sending him your undersized mould to re-machine the bands to the correct diameter and possibly remove the bevel base if you desire. He's one of the best in the biz and a pleasure to do business with.

Gear

[12DMAX]

Gear, I was thinking of lapping but i would very much like to get rid of that BB so a call to eric might be in store. Thank you Fellas for the input :drinks:

[runfiverun]

it still umm isn't cool [windy is the word i'm looking for i guess] to make a mold that pours a 250 gr jaxketed 45 acp boolit size for a 45 colt.
this is getting old.. maybe lyman just wants to get out of the mold business or sumthin.

[12DMAX]

I'm pretty new at this casting game and very much listen with my ears and not my mouth BUT i didnt listen on this one hoping I would get an exception and not a rule. I may just sell it, take my loss and go the custom route or keep an eye out for an older 454. My gun likes the big keiths, (Matt's Bullets) I should have went that route at the get go but I was taking a liking to that traditional bullet.

[12DMAX]

It's going back to lyman, not letting them off the hook:Fire:

[runfiverun]

talk to thier customer service, and send a couple of boolits with it.

[12DMAX]

I talked to there CSR yesterday and told her I was sending a mold back to them because it was not casting to there spec, she didn't seemed surprised kinda of like a yawn and gave me the info. I have included 4 samples with the mold.

[runfiverun]

probably had that call all morning.
i ordered a 429667 pretty much knowing it would be small, i had the lapping compound,drill and torx screws on the bench when it showed up.
took me most of a week but got it where i want it.

[12DMAX]

Recieved my mold back from lyman today, 4 weeks aint to bad i suppose. Anyway, they recut the mold and sent 3 samples back with it:

sample #1: .453 x .4535
sample #2: .4535 x .4535
sample #3: .453 x .4535

have not cast with it yet but I like those #'s , we'll see. Thought i'd share the info.

[runfiverun]

that's more like it.
[even with thier number 2 alloy]
ww's should come out right close to 4525-53 and it can easily be cleaned up if necessary.
you'll like the mold now, it is one of my favorite boolits.

[12DMAX]

I was able to cast a few last night, you are correct runfiverun ww + sn were .4525 - 453.

[casterofboolits]

I bought two four cavity of the 452664's two years ago. They both dropped .4535 and were within one grain for all eight cavities of 250 grains. Just lucky I guess!

[Dale53]

Several years ago I bought a Lyman two cavity mould for the 452664. It casts large enough with my black powder alloy (30/1 lead/tin) to size at .452". It has been a stellar bullet and won me a good number of both novelty and score matches. Further, using a good, black powder lube (I use Emmert's Home Mix) I can shoot it 70-75 times before the cylinder starts to drag and I need to clean it. Five minutes and it is "all good" again.

All in all, it has been BETTER than good. I just wish I had bought a four cavity mould.

It is distressing to hear all of the problems that Lyman has been having with undersize moulds.
I have a good friend who bought a modern four cavity Lyman mould and learned it was undersize. He sent it back, waited weeks, and it came back still undersize. He is off Lyman moulds for good. That is sad. At one time, they OWNED the mould business. No longer...

My latest moulds have been from Mihec (and one from NOE). I am officially "spoiled". There is no comparison...

FWIW
Dale53

[12DMAX]

[smilie=b:[smilie=b: I spoke too soon and jinxed myself[smilie=b:[smilie=b: I started casting tonight with a new alloy 50/50 ww/pure+tin and now I seem to have 2 different size cavities, one throws a .452 every time and the other throws a .4505 - .451. I suppose this is due to the alloy? With WW + tin they were a bit bigger .4525-.453.

[runfiverun]

that's sensitive, try turning the heat down with the new alloy.
i can get my alloy down to about 650f, with a good pace, when i use ww's and soft 75-25 and about 1% tin.
you now know why i lap molds when they are up to temp.