Pawn Shop Hakim

[OTThomas]

Found a nice Hakim at a pawn shop. We traded a nice cz50 pistol and $250 for it. We fired it today and it shot awesome with hand loads, it was ripping the rims right off the czech ammo (only fired about 5 of those). So we pulled the czech bullets and loaded them with 41.5 of IMR 4895 after scrubing the chamber with a 45 brush and degreaser, the gun shot flawlessly. Here are some pictures of the stock, we cannot figure out what the holes in the stock are for, doesn't look like a sporter job. If any of you can tell us what the holes are for, or just any misc info about the hakim, we would appreciate it. Also if any of you have any good loads, that would help too. http://castboolits.gunloads.com/imagehosting/thum_200594f496d5e79500.jpg (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=4130)http://castboolits.gunloads.com/imagehosting/thum_200594f496d7b330b5.jpg (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=4131)http://castboolits.gunloads.com/imagehosting/thum_200594f496d9321957.jpg (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=4132)http://castboolits.gunloads.com/imagehosting/thum_200594f496dad2f94a.jpg (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=4133)http://castboolits.gunloads.com/imagehosting/thum_200594f496dbce9214.jpg (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=4134)http://castboolits.gunloads.com/imagehosting/thum_200594f496dcca580f.jpg (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=4135)http://castboolits.gunloads.com/imagehosting/thum_200594f496dd96f985.jpg (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=4136)

[Fishman]

Maybe the holes are for a bipod or sling swivel?

Sorry, no help but a really cool gun!

[plmitch]

That is a sweet find, I'd like to have one.

[OTThomas]

Thanks for the replys, it sure is fun to shoot!

[3006guns]

Those holes may be drain holes for water.....not uncommon on military rifles. The only fly in that theory is that the Hakim is from Egypt............and it doesn't rain much there!

I CAN tell you that the Hakim gas system is a virtual copy of the Swedish Ljungman (sp?).....direct gast impingement on the mechanism. The M16 uses basically the same setup.

[OTThomas]

Very intresting, thank you for the info.

,Thomas

[Oldeyes]

Congrats! If you did not know it already, the Hakim has an adjustable gas port, it is the small metal triangle in the top of the handguard about 2" behind the middle barrel band. When the point of the triangle is pointing to the rear at 6 o'clock the gas if full open. At the 9 o'clock position (pointing left) it is closed. Once upon a time adjustment tools were available, try your luck with a google search. Be advised that extractors were scarce 5 years ago and today may be nearly unobtainium.....
As to the holes, the ones in the forend are not original, so take your best guess for a previous owner's accessory. The large spot in the right butt was for the brass unit marking disc.
This reminds me that I still need to take mine out for its first firing. So far I have been too lazy to work up some non corrosive loads and I have not wanted to clean up after shooting surplus.

[Combat Diver]

I concur on Oldeyes with the holes and disc. Enjoy your rifle!


CD

[Hang Fire]

OTThomas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rC4f3SLXqs

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&gs_nf=1&cp=7&gs_id=f&xhr=t&q=hakim+rifle&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&pbx=1&oq=hakim+r&aq=0&aqi=g4&aql=&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=cec1f33bc6693282&biw=960&bih=465

[OTThomas]

lol, yeah we already read up on it and have already seen the video, we were mostly just looking for info on the holes and load data, due to its picky apatite.

Thanks, Thomas

[koehlerrk]

Thomas,

I had been looking for a good Hakim for about four years before I finally had a good one cross my path last summer. To be honest, I haven't found it to be fussy at all, since it was designed with the adjustable gas port to accommodate a wide range of available ammo.

Mine happens to love 150gr soft-point J-words sitting on top of Varget. PM me if you want the exact recipe. Currently, I'm looking for a good cast boolit that will feed well in that rifle, if I get one, I'll let you know.

Love it, load it, and have fun shooting that old rifle.

[OTThomas]

Is 8mm mauser the original chambering for the Hakims or did century arms convert them like they did with the mas 49/56's?

[waksupi]

That is how a Hakim treats brass. It is not a friend to the reloader. But fun to shoot!

[Multigunner]

Is 8mm mauser the original chambering for the Hakims or did century arms convert them like they did with the mas 49/56's?

IIRC the Hakim was in 7.92X57 from the begining. The Egyptians used the Mauser cartridge for quite some time.
Egypt also used the Enfields in .303 to some extent, but the .303 rimmed cartridge was problematic for auto loader rifles. It worked okay in the BREN Gun but that was in great part due to the gravity assist of the top mounted magazine, along with the care taken in preloading the magazines.
Its not that uncommon for the rim of the .303 to cause problems when filling the Enfield magazine in a hurry.
Rimless cartridges are just better for autoloader rifles, especially those that have to be reloaded from the top in a hurry.

Near as I can tell there was never a truly successful autoloading infantry rifle chambered in .303 British, or any rimmed cartridge other than the Russian 7.62X54R .

[Ed in North Texas]

Is 8mm mauser the original chambering for the Hakims or did century arms convert them like they did with the mas 49/56's?

The Hakim was originally 7.92x57mm (AKA 8mm Mauser). The various Arab countries were well supplied with '98 Mausers and ammo at the end of WW II, in fact the entire Middle East was (in great irony, Israel obtained fairly significant numbers of K98s).

Not all the MAS rifles were "converted" to 7.62 NATO, I don't know how many, but many were sold in the original 7.5x54mm (which is why Prvi Partizan brass is available now).

Ed

[hunterldh]

You may find yourself unpopular with other folks at the range. That thing is LOUD.

[casca]

Man, I would love to have that wood on mine,
I got the brass disc- but no extra holes.
Nice find and a hell of a PRICE.
casca1

[kywoodwrkr]

You can't get too many magazines for them either! :-)
A German WW1 machine gun (Mg-13??) magazines are easily converted.
Some years back these magazines were available in boxes of eight or ten for about $10 @.
Conversion instructions are found by googling.
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?111499-Hakim-MG-13-Mag-Conversion-Done!-MORE-New-PICS
I see they are about $20@ now.
Have one which is currently in need of some TLC.
Maybe next week? Or week after or---.
Good shooting.

[waksupi]

You may find yourself unpopular with other folks at the range. That thing is LOUD.

Yep! Better carry a .30 carbine revolver with you too, just to keep the noise quotient up!

[Ben]

The empty brass will go about as far as the bullets will.

Ben

[Freightman]

And all the brass will have a bend in the middle, size them and load, not pretty but ok. I even shoot LEE's 170+- boolit with a load reduced to operate the bolt by opening up the gas port , it is easier on brass that way to.

[Combat Diver]

At the same time Egypt was using the Hakim they were also utlizing the FN49 (SAFN) in 7.92x57 also.


CD

[Fredx10sen]

I don't know about the Hakim, but on my Ag-42B Ljungman, that hole on the stock has a brass tag there. It's in 6.5x55 and throws the brass a long ways. Great find at a great price there that you got. Even on the Ljungman the brass is really roughed up. Very nice find indeed.

[OTThomas]

We took the Hakim out this past weekend, shot it at 200 yards and was knocking the plate around pretty good, but WOW you guys were not kidding about how loud this thing is! We got the rifle cycling just fine and throwing the brass a mile with 150 gr hornady jsp.

[TCLouis]

I am amazed at the quality of the machining on mine. Better than some Factory guns.

Someone cut the stock on mine at the second band. Makes a better looking rifle but kills the "original" sale value.

I have had it for 15 years or so and have never fired it.

Once I learned that it would beat up my 8mm brass I decided to let it set.

Could turn the gas off and make it a straight pull funny bolt gun and save my brass.

Oh well gotta find it a home some day.

[fatelk]

I wish I had kept mine. I bought it sometime in the early to mid '90s, and sold it a couple years later because it was so finicky. It was in excellent condition and I'm sure could have been made to function reliably if I had known what I was doing. I think I let some gun show guy talk me out of it for $200, IIRC.

If I remember right it was worse than an M1 if you weren't careful where you had your thumb.

[OTThomas]

I am amazed at the quality of the machining on mine. Better than some Factory guns.

Someone cut the stock on mine at the second band. Makes a better looking rifle but kills the "original" sale value.

I have had it for 15 years or so and have never fired it.

Once I learned that it would beat up my 8mm brass I decided to let it set.

Could turn the gas off and make it a straight pull funny bolt gun and save my brass.

Oh well gotta find it a home some day.

We took some other members suggestions and loaded 150 gr spitzer with 44 grains of IMR 4895, and wrapped some leather around the deflector and adjusted the gas knob to around 8:00. It seems to be a lot easier on the brass and is a really fun conversation piece at the range!

Happy Shooting!, Thomas

[JDL]

The case takes a pretty good beating alright but there's a remedy for this. Take a piece of small rubber tubing and separate by making a sprial cut around it, then thread it on the brass deflector. Then adjust the gas port to minimum for reliable operation.
I bought mine in 1987 for less than $120 but, I made like a pirate and sold it in 1993 for $175. I just looked at one for $850!

[LWSTARKS]

The first time I shot mine, I thought something went wrong with it because of the whoosh that comes back in your face when shooting the Hakim. Once I got over that, it is a great shooting gun.

[Buckshot]

http://www.fototime.com/363939D04031671/standard.jpg

.............I also have a Hakim. The shellac finish is a bit 'flaky' but the stock itself is solid.

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If you've ever heard of "M1 Thumb", it doesn't hold a candle to the Hakim if you get a digit between the bolt carrier (LEFT) and the chamber/gas port (RIGHT). It'll raise a heckuva blood blister :-)

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The muzzle brake (LEFT) is very effective, and double plugging (ear plugs AND muffs) is an outstanding idea as it does a swell job :-) The brass deflector (RIGHT) staple on the side of the dust cover also does a great job of mashing casemouths closed. Cut a piece of 1/4" gas hose to length and slit it lengthwise to slip over the staple.

I had an 01 FFL from 1980 to 2000. Hakims were cheap, and Century Arms had 'Cracked stock' Hakims @ $89 each in the early '90s. I have a manual for the Hakim and the last chapter deals with turning one into a scoped carbine. Very racy looking outfit, but I wouldn't have wanted ot be in the same zip coade as the person shooting such a thing.

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I also have a Swdish Ag42B (Ljungman) which was the daddy of the Hakim. The Swedes sold all their tooling to the Egyptians in the '50s. Magazines interchange, but the Swede version was a bit more svelte and not quite so clubby. Still noisy as all get out and would also fling very hard to find 6.5x55 brass (at the time it was Norma, CBC, or converting 7x57 only) into the next time zone. Had to have been flinging them 40 feet if it was an inch.

There was an outfit down by San Diego, CA offering 30 round magazines for them so I got 3 of'em, just because. Too much of a good thing so I converted 2 of'em into the regular boring 10 rounders. The Ag42B was kind of spendy at the time at $189. That included a bayonet and a tool roll. Later on you could buy a tool roll bay itself for $19. Since it included 2 extractors and springs, and 2 firing pins and springs, plus some other tools and doo-dads they were a good deal.

I don't think I've shot the Swede since we moved to town, and that was about 12 years ago this Sept. Last summer there was a nice looking Hakim in the local Turners priced at $450. I almost bought it for the shear novelty of having 2 of'em :-)

..................Buckshot