All of California is not insane!

[SciFiJim]

A story appeared in our local paper about kids and shooting.

Getting kids on target: Youth rifle clubs in Tulare County teach safety and precision (http://www.visaliatimesdelta.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2012202170311)

There is still hope for California. Everyone, please don't give up on us. We are still trying.

[1Shirt]

Don't let that become known to the folks in the big Ca. cities, or they will protest you and try to shut you down for sure.
1Shirt!

[chboats]

Of all places, Sacramento/Auburn area has very active high school trap teams. From what I have heard a couple of the teams the school Principals are the trap coaches.

Carl

[3006guns]

A story appeared in our local paper about kids and shooting.

Getting kids on target: Youth rifle clubs in Tulare County teach safety and precision (http://www.visaliatimesdelta.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2012202170311)

There is still hope for California. Everyone, please don't give up on us. We are still trying.

This used to be commonplace. I learned to shoot a .22 in the basement of our local police department back in the late fifties. If I had a suggestion at all, it would be to add the word "discipline" to the headline and make people understand that it's part of becoming an adult.

Maybe.......just maybe, things are starting to turn around?

[knifemaker]

One of our local high schools here in N.CA. still has a active rifle team.

[mooman76]

I have heard northern cali is completely different than the southern part where guns are concerned. Kind of like south of Chicago in IL is completely different. I have a friend that's not to far from S.F. and has no place to shoot.

[Jimbo2]

We had a high school rifle club with a neat indoor range (50 ft?) under the gym. We could hear the team upstairs practicing while we shot. Just imagine what the far left gun nazis would say about such a thing now.

[latesvak]

its because we are still a bit country out here. at least here 30mi east of sacramento. i know the local high school by me has a great skeet class.


latesvak

[Artful]

My only thought is are the inner city schools going to step up to the plate and do something for the kids to help give them discipline, knowledge of firearms, and concern for safety of others. Or just more on court basketball wrestling after dark. There used to be a range over by the S.F. Airport, but that was back in the 70's.

[DaveCampbell]

When I lived in Visalia and Clovis, several of us did quite a bit if shooting. I even spent a week out at Dos Palos with group of youngsters on a Quail Unlimited sponsored "Covey Kids" camp.

A close friend--he's my accountant--and I used to have access to a 2,500-acre ranch in Mariposa county where we could shoot ground squirrels, hunt quail and the odd pig and fish for bass in the cattle ponds.

The People's Republik of Granola has the most diverse habitat in the country--everything from desrt bighorns to mule deer, elk and pronghorns. Fisheries from tuna to Dolly Varden trout, and three species of quail to world-class duck hunting. It is a tragedy to see how that state has devolved. I was born and raised there, but I have no intention of setting foot in it again.

Sadly,

Dave

[Longwood]

It amazes me how so many people have no idea what california is like or what sort of people live in the best place in America to live in.
Believe it or not, we are not all mentally ill queers that think we should teach our children that it is OK to be insane.
I live in a county that is bigger and more versitile than most states.
I have been al over America and have yet to see a place I would rather live or were I have found nicer people.
My favorite bumper sticker of all time is the one that says
"Welcome to California"
"Now go back Home"

[koehn,jim]

Anyone familiar with the bad rumors about Calif. would have you believe that you cant shoot or have guns in Los Angeles in Southern Calif. but guess what you can still have guns and shoot. I have a rifle range 15 mi from my house that is open 7 days a week. Yes there is regulation but that is mainly because there are so dANG MANY PEOPLE. Please quit saying nice things about life here, if the rest of the people realise how nice it is they might move here. I alos live here by choice, I am retired and could live anywhere and decided years ago this was it. And yes artful some of the inner city schools do have shooting teams look on the list of approved clubs for DCM purchase.

[Jason30-30]

It amazes me how so many people have no idea what california is like or what sort of people live in the best place in America to live in.
Believe it or not, we are not all mentally ill queers that think we should teach our children that it is OK to be insane.
I live in a county that is bigger and more versitile than most states.
I have been al over America and have yet to see a place I would rather live or were I have found nicer people.
My favorite bumper sticker of all time is the one that says
"Welcome to California"
"Now go back Home"

Amen! California is BYFAR the most diverse state in the union I was born and raised here and will die here too.

[Longwood]

[QUOTE=koehn,jim;
Please quit saying nice things about life here, if the rest of the people realise how nice it is they might move here. .[/QUOTE]

Please forgive me Jim.

[Longwood]

California is way too smoggy, way too gay, way too shaky, has way too many wildfires, and every one here is down right crazy, an 'A' hole, or both.
All of the people that have owned their houses for years, can't afford the raise in their property tax.

PS,
We hate guns and gun owners.

PS 2
I forgot to mention that all of the open land here is owned by people that have it all posted. "No shooting or hunting".

[KaliforniaRebel]

The People's Republik of Granola has the most diverse habitat in the country--everything from desrt bighorns to mule deer, elk and pronghorns. Fisheries from tuna to Dolly Varden trout, and three species of quail to world-class duck hunting. It is a tragedy to see how that state has devolved. I was born and raised there, but I have no intention of setting foot in it again.

I can relate. I've been here all 32 years of my life and I look forward to the day I can move to Arizona or Nevada due to these ridiculous gun laws. Just this year alone our wonderful governor Brown has eliminated unloaded open carry, mandated long gun registry for 2014, and diverted part of DROS fees WE PAY to help fund the enforcement of California firearm possession laws in the Armed & Prohibited Persons Systems program the state ITSELF should take care of. Just watch those DROS fees go up like the tobacco tax folks...

I do agree thought that youngsters having the chance to learn to shoot starts a whole new generation of educated, intelligent, free thinking individuals that know and understand what proper firearm ownership really means. It's a ray of light that I hope only gets brighter.

[WRideout]

I was born and raised in So Cal; it was a vastly different place when Eisenhower was president. After a hitch in the Army, I used my GI bill to go to college at Chico State, in the middle of the Central Valley. That was where I developed my love of guns and hunting. I would have never left there, except that I ran into the same problem that most college grads have; no decent jobs locally.

I liked California, and never thought I would leave, but a change of jobs took me to Tennessee, which I grew to love. My kids still live there. Now I am in Pennsylvania. It's ironic, I keep moving deeper into the rust belt to find work!

California is really two different places. I really loved the California of agriculture, mountains, rivers, and rural people. I promised myself I would never live in LA county, and I never did, although I probably passed up a better salary by doing that. I don't regret it.

Wayne

[NSP64]

No offense, but you guys can have CA.
In 4.25 years, the last one leaves the nest. Then it is off to a warmer, gun friendly state.



WRidout, I thought all those relics were retired. (avatar photo)

[Whiterabbit]

California is really two different places.

I agree with this. It's a shame that high density population centers have so much voting power.

[gmsharps]

A number of years ago I was close to San louis Obispo giving the local National Guard training on a new communication system the military was purchasing. Just so happens there was an outdoor range only a couple of miles down the road and sure enjoyed the shooting there especially the night shooting. They would turn on the night lights (next to the targets) and we could shoot metal targets out to about 300 meters. While I was in the area I was able to visit the Hogue grip folks and picked up a couple of decent deals at the local gun shops on vintage long lyman scopes and some old schutzgen accessories ie old powder measure and shooting boxes.
I think a lot of an area is what you make of it. Sure was nice country out there with all of the rolling hills and the like.

gmsharps

[Jammer Six]

"Gay" is not an insult, and reflects on the speaker, no one else.

[Mooseman]

California was a great place to visit in the 60's when I was a Kid. We shot guns right in the back yard In Napa Valley at My Uncles Place. It would be a Much better Place without the Liberal Government and Anti-Constitutional laws they have managed to pass to control the masses over the years and its a shame Because it is a beautiful state outside of the cities.
I just refuse to live under all the BS Regs, and Taxes.

[Jammer Six]

I can make a strong case that the laws they've passed reflect the will of the majority of active voters.

[polara426sh]

I agree with this. It's a shame that high density population centers have so much voting power.

Yep, it's the same here in New York. It should really be divided up into two states, the NYC area, and the rest of the state.

[ElDorado]

I can make a strong case that the laws they've passed reflect the will of the majority of active voters.

I can make a strong case that some of the laws that the majority of active voters pass are overturned by partisan judges with political agendas.

[Longwood]

"Gay" is not an insult, and reflects on the speaker, no one else.

I would have used several other choices if I had been talking to your face.
None of them are any more acceptable than "GAY" which the mentally ill sickoes even call themselves.
If I told you how I really think, with the much more fitting names I usually use, I would be banned from here immediatly.

[Jammer Six]

I'm not sure what you're point is, other than you think you're straight...

[Jammer Six]

I can make a strong case that some of the laws that the majority of active voters pass are overturned by partisan judges with political agendas.
My point stands.

Think it through.

[Whiterabbit]

I can make a strong case that the laws they've passed reflect the will of the majority of active voters.

I wish I could make a case, weak or otherwise, that separating ALL of the active voters in Sacramento, Lake Tahoe region, SF Bay Area region, LA basin, and San Diego would result in a VERY VERY different set of state laws we would live under. Sadly, it is pure speculation on my part.

To speculate even farther, I am willing to bet separating only dense population centers such as LA city, Oakland, SF proper, half the SF peninsula, selected high density areas (specifically targeting high crime-rate ares) would also result in a measurable change in the laws of the land should those voters be culled in the counting.

[Whiterabbit]

Sadly, I strongly suspect the only reason that the industry (as a whole) will not give up on CA is because it is such a huge market for guns and firearm accessories, only selected manufacturers and retailers are willing to pull out of such a lucrative market over principle.

[longranger]

Jerry "Moonbeam" Brown,Nancy Pelosi,Helen Taucher,Barbara Boxer, Maxine Waters,Henry Waxman,Pete Stark,Diane Feinstein need more resaons to stay or leave CA ? Health Care,Housing,Education,ballots printed in 63 languages for illegal Aliens.Not to mention nearly 10% sales tax $5.00 a gallon gas,worst roads in the country.35 years there no reason to go back.
I question the veracity of the statement that the state has Dolly Varden trout,not to my knowledge.If so it would be illegal catch them.
This is state that want's to fire the DFG director for going on a out of state hunt.
You get away from CA to see what you been conditioned to.CA is not anything but over regulated socialist with a smattering of conservatives. I'll take Wyoming any time,everything you need and nothing you don't.
CA has no gun manufactures in it's borders,you are relegated to buying guns from an "approved list" which leaves out most of the really good ones,in particular revolvers.
Not enough good to out weigh the bad.

[Whiterabbit]

sadly, we have weather and good food. And jobs.

I'd like to visit Wyoming sometime. I've been to a dozen states and almost a dozen foreign countries (none in North America save the USA) and no place compares to our weather and our food. Can get one, but not the other.

Dunno if that's enough to outweigh the bad. You've got quite a list up there, and I agree with most of it.

[Frank]

Oh, it's really all the same everywhere. Look at the red states. They've got idiot politicians too.

[Marlin Junky]

"All of California is not insane!"It's true!... Darrell Issa (Chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee) represents California's 49th Congressional District (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California%27s_49th_congressional_district) and is trying to expose the most corrupt Federal Government of our lifetimes. I think most of the wackos in CA live in and around the metro areas up and down its coastline.

I was born and raised in CA and some of those midwest states (regardless of the deer populations) that house areas like Chicago would be the last places I'd build a retirement home.

MJ

[Jammer Six]

What I like about California is that you didn't wait for the election to fire your governor.

You guys made every politician in America look over his shoulder when you did that.

[longranger]

We fire our crappy politicians CA keeps them around for a long time,CA is not the the only place that has restaurants.The weather in CA is hot and dry or wet or cold. "The coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in San Francisco" Mark Twain.
Wyoming is the only state to never have a 55 mph speed limit,no problem here telling the Feds to butt out,the real America exists in Wyoming and a few other states.
Darrell Issa is gem in CA politics he is a very small minority.Yeah they impeached/recalled Gray Davis for The worst Governor the state ever elected.

[edsmith]

I was born and raised in kalif,san jose, modesto,frisco,martinez, moved to hollywood, could not stand it, moved back to n. cal after 3 weeks.had a bud get stopped for a traffic violation, he had been over at a friends house using a sling, the kind with 2 long thongs and a leather pouch,he had it in his back pocket, when he pulled out his wallet, it came out with it, he was arrested for carrying a concealed weapon.cost him $500. I left kalif 35 years ago, never been back and never will.the state is great, 98% of the people need to be put asleep, including my first wife.:grin:

[Marlin Junky]

...the real America exists in Wyoming and a few other states.

I love Buffalo. If all goes well next year, my wife and I may start building a home a bit north of Buffalo just east of 14. I'd like to have fruit trees though so I'm not sure Sheridan Co. is quite the place for me... might be better off in northern UT or SW ID.

MJ

[Mooseman]

I can make a strong case that some of the laws that the majority of active voters pass are overturned by partisan judges with political agendas.

You said a mouth full there...

[Marlin Junky]

I can make a strong case that some of the laws that the majority of active voters pass are overturned by partisan judges with political agendas.

Here's a good example that goes back to the '90's:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_187_%281994%29

MJ

BTW, "partisan" is being to kind... commie ******** is more suitable. ;-)

[Jammer Six]

Here's a good example that goes back to the '90's:
Your example would work better if you didn't pick an unconstitutional measure.

Your true colors are showing.

[longranger]

MJ
Consider the west side of the Big Horns,that's the growing region of Wyoming.Best cherries in the country come from around Flathead lake in MT, so most cold weather fruit trees should do fine.Buffalo is in Johnson Co.,they cut Sheridan Co. out of Johnson Co.
The whole state is USDA zone 1

[Marlin Junky]

Your example would work better if you didn't pick an unconstitutional measure.

Your true colors are showing.

And what colors are those?

Nevertheless, as you said earlier "...the laws they've passed reflect the will of the majority of active voters", which was the case with prop 187. Unfortunately, it is the very loud, judicially backed minority that's running the show these days; and, ever since the US court system adopted case law rather than rely on strict constitutional law (about 100 years ago) we've been heading down the road to the last days of our Republic.

Regarding your unconstitutional remark, the Progressive federal judges said Prop. 187 was unconstitutional because immigration is a function of the federal government; however, it was not about immigration, it was about a state providing services to illegal immigrants (a now bankrupt state). BTW, how's that Federal control of the borders working out now?

Were you living in CA at the time, or have you ever lived in CA?

MJ

[Marlin Junky]

MJ
Consider the west side of the Big Horns,that's the growing region of Wyoming.Best cherries in the country come from around Flathead lake in MT, so most cold weather fruit trees should do fine.Buffalo is in Johnson Co.,they cut Sheridan Co. out of Johnson Co.
The whole state is USDA zone 1

No, it's not zone 1... more like zone 4 with a few pockets of 3. Zone 1 would be way up north. One does not even find zone 2 until they venture into northern MN. Have a look...

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MJ

[Jammer Six]

Unconstitutional is unconstitutional, and where the constitution is concerned, the options are to amend it or obey it. You won't get it amended, because there are more than forty states where we can breathe between sentences when we talk about immigration.

Its purpose is exactly this-- to protect a vulnerable minority from lynchings by the majority.

Arizona has the same problem with its majority.

The rest of us are amazed.

The federal "control" of the borders should just go home, and let them come. Theres's some good reading at the bottom of the statue of liberty that applies.

"Closing" the borders never has worked, isn't working now and never will work, because it's the wrong answer and is fundamentally un-American. It's not who we are, it's not what we do. It reeks of "I'm in, shut the door!" Fortunately, the door will never stay shut.

I say the test to become a citizen should consist of "do you want to be an American?"

People are the most valuable resource a country has. Every immigrant that crosses into our country makes their country weaker and ours stronger.

They're coming for a reason. It's a good reason.

They're coming because life is better here.

[Marlin Junky]

Every immigrant that crosses into our country makes their country weaker and ours stronger.

That statement is fundamentally flawed unless you qualify it by inserting the word legal in front of immigrant.

You sound like you're against borders and national sovereignty in general. Are you with Hillary and the UN Small Arms Treaty as well?


They're coming because life is better here.
And how is life going to be better for our children and grand children when there are several million more dead beats on the dole?

MJ

[Jammer Six]

Every immigrant should be legal.

"Us" and "Them" is for fools.

[Marlin Junky]

Unconstitutional is unconstitutional, and where the constitution is concerned, the options are to amend it or obey it.

The point was, Prop 187 was only "Unconstitutional" in the minds of Progressive Judges. There's nothing Unconstitutional about a state saying they're not going to pay for some budget-busting entitlement.

MJ

[462]

Oh, the temptation for this native and still Californian to join in the discussion, especially the parts about the state's Supreme Court judges and its immigration conumdrum.

The only thing that I will say is this: Over the years, there have been many non-Californian forum members who, for whatever reason, seem to delight in bashing the state or, at the least, speaking of it in disparaging or argumentative tones. I have no respect for those who speak ill of where my home is located. Does my Ignore List need to grow?

[filric48]

I have been here for 64yrs. Bought my first rifle when I was 16 at the hardware store gave them 20.00 and walked out. It is getting crazy now, I live next to Oakland someone is getting killed everyday with all the gangs it is a sad situation. Once they become a felon the they get there friends or girlfriends to get the guns.

[badbob454]

outside of beal a.f.b. is a fish and game public shooting area free to the public , and they allow lead, between grass valley and marysville ca.

[filric48]

Good to know there is also BLM land which is free but it is about 1.5hr south also around Clear Lake there is a map type BLM land into Google they also have a phone# with a real live person.