Lyman/Ideal mold

[mdi]

I was looking around the web, searching for a new mold, and I stumbled across an Ideal/Lyman 431244 mold. The pic of the mold shows the numbers and the mold is for a plain based bullet. All refrence to 431244 have linked the mold to the 429244 which is a gascheck bullet. I can find no info on 431244 in my literature nor on line searches. I doubt if the mold was altered, so what am I looking at?

Thnx...

[gbrown]

1. Came off an EBAY listing from some time back. Can't verify the veracity of the information
2. Cast Boolit post
Hope these help you.

1. LYMAN Bullet Mold #431244
44 mag 255 grain 2 cavity Gas Check

2. Cast Boolit: post of floodgate (8-29-2007 )
I dug into my Lyman files, trying to chase this down. The Ray Thompson gas-check SWC designs #431215 and 431244 were first shown - under those numbers - in Ideal Handbook No. 39 (May, 1953), and appeared again in HB No. 40 (1955) and in a fold-out chart of Lyman-Ideal bullets dated 3-56. In the First Edition "Handbook of Cast Bullets", dated July, 1958, page 89 has a writeup on these bullets by Thompson, listing suggested loads for them (as well as #358156, and #452490, similar designs for the .38 / .357 and the .45 ACP / AR) where the two .44 bullets again carry the "431-" size-to prefix; BUT, the detail bullet pages 150 and 153 show the same bullets as #429244 and #429215, respectively, as do all the Handbooks from No. 41 (1957) on. So the change must have occurred in 1956-57 or so (allowing a little lead time for Handbook collation, editing and printing). Does your #431244 have the vent lines? (These seem to have been introduced in the early-to-mid-50s.)

[462]

The modern Lyman equivilant is, indeed, the 429244.

Ideal's first three numbers, sometimes, reflected the actual boolit size. But not always. I have a ventless Ideal 308291 that Lyman labels 311291.

It's not always logical.

[beagle]

I've cast with a 431244 and several 429244s. If you get .431" out of that mould, you're lucky. Mine ran right at .429"./beagle

[mdi]

Hmmm, I have a 429244 (gascheck version) that works well, although it's a single cavity so I don't have many on hand. I believe I was looking at a bullet mold site that linked me to an ebay sale. The pics are pretty good and I checked the numbers on the side of the mold and the cavities were indeed plain base. mebbe I'll bid and if I get it cheap I can find out just what it is. I could use another 255 gr SWC plain base!

Begal, is your 431244 gas checked or plain base?

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=lyman+431244&_sacat=382&_sop=1&_odkw=lynam+431244&_osacat=382&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313 note pics

[beagle]

The ones that I have now are GC'd. I've PB'd a 429215 but not a 429244 yet. Should do all right. Think maybe we PB's a 429244 for Shuz. Maybe he'll see it he's not down south laying in the sun./beagle


Hmmm, I have a 429244 (gascheck version) that works well, although it's a single cavity so I don't have many on hand. I believe I was looking at a bullet mold site that linked me to an ebay sale. The pics are pretty good and I checked the numbers on the side of the mold and the cavities were indeed plain base. mebbe I'll bid and if I get it cheap I can find out just what it is. I could use another 255 gr SWC plain base!

Begal, is your 431244 gas checked or plain base?

[MtGun44]

Same design, not necessarily make the size that the first three digits have. I have a 429244
and 431244 and they throw (based on memory here) about the same. Of course, these are
the Thompson 250+/- gr GC design. Nowdays, I don't do GCs for pistols, no gain for the
hassle and expense, IME.

Bill

[Don Purcell]

Saw that mold on e-bay and figured someone had the upper surfaced milled down to remove the gas check section

[462]

Saw that mold on e-bay and figured someone had the upper surfaced milled down to remove the gas check section

Yep, saw it this morning and had the same thought.

I agree with MtGun44, no need for gas checked handgun boolits, so sold the 429244. It is a nice design, though.