193 gr in a 30-30

[mac3]

Friend of mine (guy who sells me 5 gal ww @ $40 regularly) wants some 30-30 190 gr for black bear. All 3 of my load books stop at 170 gr.
I've found some 193 gr fn from Hunter supply that I want to try before committing to a new mould. I'll be using 3031.
Anybody know of printed data for the heavy boolits for the 30-30? I'm not much on experimenting blind. Thanks for any suggestions, Mac.

[MT Gianni]

The RCBS 180 fp run around 195 lubed and checked.

[Bret4207]

Start around 28.0 grs 3031. Using the RCBS 30-180FN that will be right in the ballpark for duplicating the 303 Savage factory load of a 190 at 1900 fps. You may need to go up or down.

[gnoahhh]

In both the .30/30 and .303 Savage, I have been using a 190gr. FN (an old custom Saeco design, cast from WW+tin,12bhn) over 28.0 grains 3031. Accuracy is superb, and energy level is sufficient for all of my hunting needs back east here. A heavy (for our area) 165 pound field dressed buck was knocked ***-over-tincups by me with it 2 months ago. Several other lesser whitetails never knew what hit them in previous years. I wouldn't hesitate a second to use it on a black bear. (But I suppose if I encountered a 500 pounder I would find myself wishing I had brought an '06 instead. I would probably still take the shot if the angle was right.)

[Junior1942]

The RCBS 180 fp run around 195 lubed and checked.That's my experience, too.

[Larry Gibson]

Mac3

If you friend wants top end loads with that heavy a bullet in the 30-30 for hunting bear then I suggest a switch of powder. A while back I worked with some 197 gr cast bullets from a RCBS 30-180-FN mould. With LeveRevolution powder I was able to easily get 2247 fps at 38,700 psi(M43) from my 24" barreled M94AE. That psi is within the range of tested psi's for factory 30-30 ammunition and is below the SAAMI MAP. It also was a very accurate load. You will get 2050+ fps from a 20" barreled carbine. If you are interested in an alternative powder to 3031 we can discuss it.

Larry Gibson

[gnoahhh]

Larry, have you posted your findings regarding LR powder and heavy .30/30 bullets? If so, I missed it, and as I'm keen to try it I'll head to wherever you posted it. If you haven't posted your findings, I would be happy to continue this dialogue via PM. Thanks.

Gary

[MT Gianni]

Larry, have you posted your findings regarding LR powder and heavy .30/30 bullets? If so, I missed it, and as I'm keen to try it I'll head to wherever you posted it. If you haven't posted your findings, I would be happy to continue this dialogue via PM. Thanks.

Gary

Please post rather than PM.

[longbow]

My old Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook has an article by Frank Marshall on the 311284 in .30-30 if memory serves.

Ill look it up later.

What gun? If lever action, OAL may be an issue and flat point or at least blunt round nose would be best.

Longbow

[Larry Gibson]

The thread this is posted in is; http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=115657&highlight=30-30+LeveRevoltution

Other good info there.

Got a chance to test the confirmation 10 shot strings today out of the M94 AE with 24" barrel.

Results are;

GabbyM's RCBS 30-180-FNs/197.5 gr/BHN 17.5
36 gr Win 760
R-P case
Rem 9 1/2 primer
2.522 OAL
2066 fps (corrected to muzzle)
1870 ft/lbs of energy
200 yard velocity; 1438 fps
906 ft/lbs of energy
SD 17 fps
ES 56 fps
MAP; 36,200 psi(M43)

Lyman 311041 HP/50/50 WW/pb + 2% tin/177 gr
34.5 gr Hodgdon LeveRevolution
FC cases
Rem 9 1/2 primer
OAL; 2.55
2218 fps (corrected to Muzzle)
1935 ft/lbs of energy
200 yard velocity; 1554 fps
950 ft/lbs of energy
SD; 19 fps
ES; 37 fps
MAP; 35,800 psi(M43)

A 5 shot string of LeveRevolution with the 30-180-FN bullet looked very promising at 2247 fps with 38,700 psi(M43). That's about a 190 fps gain over the Win 760 load. Remaining velocity at 200 yards is around 1600 fps with 1000+ ft/lbs of energy.

GabbyM; hard copy of Win 760 load data will be in the mail tomorrow.

Larry Gibson
36 gr of LeveRevolution with the 30-180-FN. Sorry, meant to put that in the post. The psi, while not at the 42,000 MAP for the 30-30 is still getting up there so start lower (suggest 34 gr) and work up. I know you will but just want to add that caution for others.

Larry Gibson

[nanuk]

I like those 200 yd energy/velocities.

I recently aquired a 311365 SC Ideal.

I thought cast as a soft nose, it might work ok to 250yds from a 26" Savage 219.
after seeing what LarryG has done, 200yds appears attainable without stressing the gun, using LeveRevolution powder

[pipehand]

I assume the Winchester 760 data would be the same for Hodgdons H414? Been thinking about getting the RCBS 30-180fn for a bit.

[Larry Gibson]

My limited testing of 760 and H414 show the differences to be within lot to lot variation. As always work up the load.

Larry Gibson

[9.3X62AL]

A 180-190 grain boolit in the 30-30 WCF a la the 303 Savage seems like a fine idea, The 1-12 twist in the 30-30 should stabilize it well, and I would cast them as softpoints for hunting work.

My #311041s cast as softpoints weigh 176 grains, using a #257420 lead slug as donor/point boolit. This is close, and shoots wonderfully--as well or better than j-words at similar velocity (2100 FPS) thanks to 32.0 grains of WW-748.

[Dannix]

The RCBS 180 fp run around 195 lubed and checked.

More reading for you, Mac3. The RCBS 180 FN looks like the go-to boolit for your needs.
http://www.castbullet.com/reload/meplat.htm

[nanuk]

would the pointy boolits work OK as a soft point?

initial expansion? then a partition style wadcutter driving through?