Attention Ruger Inc.

[Guy La Pourque]

I am probably going to get shot for this - and maybe rightfully so - but I want a classy Ruger No. 1.

Why in blazes is this gun not offered in the graceful octagonal barrels and provisions for the archaic tang sights the BPCR guys are so enamoured with? I know it wouldn't be a BPCR legal rifle but who cares? The idea of the gun was a modern take on an old world design in the first place, wasn't it?

I figure that if these guys can crank out a piston AR15 on a whim and push it into an overcrowded market...can't they do the same with the No. 1?

I wonder what is preventing them from doing this? From a marketing standpoint something like this would be obvious to me...

[bruce drake]

Production Costs versus forecasted return for the outlay of material and equipment.

AKA - Its cheaper to turn out a round barrel versus an octagonal and its cheaper to put one of their sights that already in production on a barrel versus purchasing another sight from Pedersoli or another producer or setting up a line to produce those BPCR sights themselves...

If the market was there, they would jump into it. Tacticool and polymer firearms are cheaper to produce and are being purchased in quantity to offset the costs of setting up the machines to produce them.

Ruger No. 1s are priced such that whoever can afford them can afford to trick out the rifle the way they want it afterwards. You don't see No1s being used as truck guns very often...

Bruce

[myfriendis410]

My Ruger No 1 has spent a LOT of time in the truck. So much so that it's named: "Miss Piggy".

[oldred]

Why in blazes is this gun not offered in the graceful octagonal barrels and provisions for the archaic tang sights the BPCR guys are so enamoured with? I know it wouldn't be a BPCR legal rifle but who cares? The idea of the gun was a modern take on an old world design in the first place, wasn't it?.

I have wondered the same thing and although it would be easy enough to custom build one such as that on a used no. 1 action it might get a bit spendy unless a person has the means to perform the work themselves. I agree that such a rifle would be very appealing and maybe Ruger is missing the boat on this one, but then maybe not.


Let's see, a nice medium weight octagon barrel and a really nice feather grain walnut stock with a crescent butt plate plus a good long range sight......possibilities are endless. :) It may not be BPCR legal or even "traditional" but like you said who cares?

[Rick Hodges]

I would be happy if they just brought the plain jane #3 back...maybe add the .358 Win chambering while they were at it.

[Gunslinger1911]

As said above, not enough people want the cool things we may want.

On another forum site, we went through a similar thread except the "I want's" were for a no. 1 in 22LR - go figure ! Talk about a high dollar .22 !!!

[9.3X62AL]

i would be happy if they just brought the plain jane #3 back...maybe add the .358 win chambering while they were at it.

definitely!

[Shooter]

Or a #3 in .357 Max..

[Hardcast416taylor]

Even an old retired plumber, namely ME, would be interested in an octagan barreled Number 1 in an appropiately rimmed cartridge. Either my memory is bad or something, but I seem to remember Ruger making a special run of the #1 with an octagan barrel once for another company`s celebration of some sort?Robert

[timbuck]

group buy?
:kidding:
As said above, not enough people want the cool things we may want.

Maybe if Davidson's or Lipsey's hears enough about this, they would be interested.
Time to start bugging the above about it.

[telebasher]

You need to get with Lipseys and convince them that is a market for these. Remember that is how the 44 SPL got started and now its a catalogue item from Ruger.

[Boz330]

I would be happy if they just brought the plain jane #3 back...maybe add the .358 Win chambering while they were at it.

I'm with Rick and AL.

As far as the tang sight it would be tough with the safety back there. But the sight that they put on the Win. 95s might be somewhat classy. Peabody is making those.

Bob

[TNsailorman]

Drool! A Ruger #3 in .358 Winchester--the drool factor would be almost too much to stand. I wouldn't care if it had a round or octagon barrel. I would manage to find the right sights also. Bring it on Ruger and I couldn't resist. Did I say I like .35's. James

[herbert buckland]

Even an old retired plumber, namely ME, would be interested in an octagan barreled Number 1 in an appropiately rimmed cartridge. Either my memory is bad or something, but I seem to remember Ruger making a special run of the #1 with an octagan barrel once for another company`s celebration of some sort?RobertThey did put out a special modle for Lyman ,cased and fitted with one of those old brass scopes, in 45-70 ,a very impresive set

[Larry Gibson]

Because they are hammerless Ruger #1s and other hammerless BPCR are not allowed in many BPCR competitions. Ergo not a good market for them.

Larry Gibson

[Chill Wills]

The only competition that I know of that the Ruger #1 can not compete in is NRA BPCR Silhouette
In most other matches they are welcome. They for sure CAN be used in NRA longrange Creedmoor, ......and have been.

[Nobade]

Heck, I'd be happy if they would just drill & tap them for the Williams peep sight so I didn't have to.

OK, what would be really cool is a military style sight set. Something like the 1901 Krag. Just dial in your elevation and shoot. Oh, why can't modern rifles come with sights as good as what was available 100 years ago?

[Good Cheer]

I'm happy with a modified No.3. Mucho yeehah.

[Artful]

I would be happy if they just brought the plain jane #3 back...maybe add the .358 Win chambering while they were at it.

[smilie=w:
yep that would be great

I have #3's in 223 & 375 Big Bore - I would be interested in .357 Max or .358 WCF

[.22-10-45]

Hello, Guy..I agree 100%...even if they went with a heavy tapered round brl. like the Sharps Borchards had would be nice. But MY biggest pet peeve is why Ruger..and Dakota too, for that matter saddle a nice single shot rifle with a stubby 22" brl.?
The very advantage of having the short (as compared to the long tubular reciever of bolt guns) is the fact that even with a 26" or 28" brl...the overall length is still shorter. This puts the difference in length just where it is most usefull..increased velocity from a longer..and IMO, especially on a S.S. graceful brl.

[Kraschenbirn]

Have often fantasized about a #1 (or even a #3) in .30-40 with a 24" or 26" tube but cherish my .22 Hornet too much to even consider having it rebarreled.

Bill

[Larry Gibson]

The only competition that I know of that the Ruger #1 can not compete in is NRA BPCR Silhouette
In most other matches they are welcome. They for sure CAN be used in NRA longrange Creedmoor, ......and have been.

Not allowed in SASS rifle competition; must have exposed hammer.

I'm sure there are a couple others as I researched that many years ago, don't have time to research it now. Others can chime in if they know or care.

Larry Gibson

[rockrat]

For you other 35 cal fans, why not just pick up one of the 357mag #1's and chamber it for either 357max or 358 Win? FYI, 357max in a #1 shoots very well.

[nicholst55]

Have often fantasized about a #1 (or even a #3) in .30-40 with a 24" or 26" tube but cherish my .22 Hornet too much to even consider having it rebarreled.

Bill

Didn't Ruger just offer a limited production #1 in .30-40 Krag? I thought they did one right after the .303 British version.

[Edward429451]

I've always wanted a Ruger #1 or #3. I just can't decide on which caliber I want. Perhaps I need another 45/70?

[Chill Wills]

OK, I don't really think of SASS as a BPCR competition. Others can. It has a BP class.... And I knew someone would enjoy taking me to task. The point being, If you like Ruger #1's enough to do the required Smithing, there is no shortage of mainstream events to shoot in. Do you agree? My earlier statement was intended to be a positive one. Not to start a nit pic.
Over and out.


Not allowed in SASS rifle competition; must have exposed hammer.

I'm sure there are a couple others as I researched that many years ago, don't have time to research it now. Others can chime in if they know or care.

Larry Gibson

[BAGTIC]

A .358 would be nice in a 1-A. The No 3 lever looks nice but doesn't work as well in a gun with much recoil. Fine in a Hornet, .223 etc. Would not want it on a 45-70. I want a shotgun style butt as I have already had shoulder surgery once and not being nostalgiv I think that barrel bands look tacky. I have #1s and they are good looking and the 1-A is handy

[Larry Gibson]

OK, I don't really think of SASS as a BPCR competition. Others can. It has a BP class.... And I knew someone would enjoy taking me to task. The point being, If you like Ruger #1's enough to do the required Smithing, there is no shortage of mainstream events to shoot in. Do you agree? My earlier statement was intended to be a positive one. Not to start a nit pic.
Over and out.

I certainly agree and have no criticism of the Ruger #1, I rather like them actually. I thought I was the one taken to task and I don't think we're "nit picking" but rather discussing the subject....my point of view anyway.

I think the #1 is a good modern "replacement" for the later type BP single shot rifles and I'd probably buy one if Ruger made it. As I mentioned though there just isn't the market for a BP style #1 because the limited competition shooting limits the demad. More of a market for a lighter weight hunter which is why the #1 is available in that configuration in 45-70. Just a matter of economics/proffit is the answer to the OPs question as to whyRuger doesn't make the #1 in a competition/target BP rifle configuration....just no proffit in it as the demad isn't there. I'm sure Ruger understands that those like you who will go the expense of "smithing" to build one is ok as you've got to buy the #1 (as made by Ruger) and they've thus made their proffit anyway. Just my opinion on the OPs question is all. Again, I'm certainly not disparaging #1 Rugers in any way, sorry to give that impression.:drinks:

Larry Gibson

[Don Purcell]

I know they would never do it but I always thought a #1 scaled down to 3/4 scale and made like the old English Rook rifles would be the bees knees. .22 LR, 38/357 Mag., .22 hornet and other relative small cartridges.

[Char-Gar]

Have often fantasized about a #1 (or even a #3) in .30-40 with a 24" or 26" tube but cherish my .22 Hornet too much to even consider having it rebarreled.

Bill

Cabelas had Ruger make a special run of No. 1s in 30-40 about a year ago, and they are still out there in the market place.

[GLL]

For you other 35 cal fans, why not just pick up one of the 357mag #1's and chamber it for either 357max or 358 Win? FYI, 357max in a #1 shoots very well.

Ruger #1 .357MAX
http://www.fototime.com/A2E9333082F31F9/orig.jpg

Jerry

[Texantothecore]

I have always wondered just how cheaply a rolling block action could be produced. They seem awfully simple and it would seem to me that with CNC machining it would relatively straight forward.

[Artful]

A .358 would be nice in a 1-A. The No 3 lever looks nice but doesn't work as well in a gun with much recoil. Fine in a Hornet, .223 etc. Would not want it on a 45-70. I want a shotgun style butt as I have already had shoulder surgery once and not being nostalgiv I think that barrel bands look tacky. I have #1s and they are good looking and the 1-A is handy

.45-70 in #3 with mid to high pressure loads the action is capable of will not do your shoulder any good, trust me
- 375 big bore was enough to put a pad on mine.
:bigsmyl2:

My only .45-70 rifle now is the Marlin 1895 and it also has a recoil pad

[Artful]

Ruger #1 .357MAX
http://www.fototime.com/A2E9333082F31F9/orig.jpg

Jerry

Nice, she's a beauty.

[pietro]

[Why in blazes is this gun not offered in the graceful octagonal barrels and provisions for the archaic tang sights the BPCR guys are so enamoured with?]

Because Bill Ruger has gone for The Dirt Nap, and the last men standing only listen to the bean counters.

.

[skeettx]

I have two #3s, one in 22 Hornet and one in 30/40 Krag, BOTH are sweet shooters.

As far as #1 short barrels, my 38/55 is about perfect in it's longer length.

Mike

[DHB]

As to the tang safety button, it would be a small thing to move the safety engagement (or unengagement) to the side on the stock as in a fine German stalking rifle. Drill a hole, mount a small plate, put in the safety activation pin, attach a button to pin. As to the octagon barrel I would love to have one.
DHB

[Ben]

If Ruger won't make a nice fast handling Ruger # 1 in 358 Win., you'll just have to take things into your own hands ( took me 9 months of metal and wood working , but it was worth every hour and every dime I've put into the project ) And YES, it is a shooter ! ! :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/haysb/Ruger%20Number%201%20%20358%20Win/PICT0014.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/haysb/Ruger%20Number%201%20%20358%20Win/PICT0017.jpg

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/haysb/Ruger%20Number%201%20%20358%20Win/PICT0018.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/haysb/Ruger%20Number%201%20%20358%20Win/PICT0019.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/haysb/Ruger%20Number%201%20%20358%20Win/PICT0030.jpg

Solid steel barrel band

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/haysb/Ruger%20Number%201%20%20358%20Win/8765.jpg

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[GLL]

Ben:

Couldn't you find a decent piece of wood to go on that rifle ? ;) ;)

BEAUTIFUL craftsmanship 1 :)

Jerry

[Rick Hodges]

Ben, that is one Sexy piece of walnut and steel....just about perfect...now if the cheek piece was on the other side..Perfection!!!

Very very nice, you have excellent taste in rifles my friend.

[Ben]

Thanks fellows ! !

You guys know how to make an old man feel good.

Ben

[rhbrink]

Wow! Very beautiful rifle. Right now I'm trying to wipe the drool of the keyboard.

Richard

[MBTcustom]

Why is it so inconceivable a notion to have a custom barrel installed on a Ruger #1? I would do that as a matter of course if I were to buy a new one anyway. (I have not been hearing good things about their accuracy of late)
I dont own one yet so I guess I'll just shut up, but it seems like if you wanted one that bad, you could get a gunsmith to install an octagon barrel and chamber it however you want it.
Duly noted on my "opportunity for future business" idea list. Hmmmm.
By the way, I just built a cheap 358winchester, and in my mind, its the ultimate castboolit rifle cartridge. Its not too spendy on the powder, or the lead, and it like to run at the top end of cast-lead velocities. I love it!

[jlchucker]

After reading everyone's comments, I got to thinking, maybe from the perspective of Ruger. No 1 and No 3 actions, octagon barrels, various calibers--lots of stuff here that may or may not sell in quantities enough to hit a break even point. But what about this: They could look into maybe reintroducing the No 3, ACTION ONLY--for the gunsmith market. Then, maybe everybody could have rifles made up in octagon or round barrel, and whatever caliber they wanted. Just a thought.

[bruce drake]

Ruger won't make Actions-only for gunsmiths to tinker with simply because it also protects their brand-name and market price. If they flood the market with No3 and No 1 actions, the value of the rifles they build will drop until the market realigns itself.

Would I like it if they did. You dang right I would. Am I a realist when it comes to market-grade economics - You darn right I am.

In my personal dream, I would love to see a Modern Falling Block or a Modern Martini Action chambered in a 35 caliber (35-30, 35 Rem or 357 Magnum) but without the 4 digit before the zeros price tag.

Bruce

[Gunslinger1911]

Brownells used to sell No 1 barrelled actions, don't think they do any more - bummer

[bowfin]

Why is it so inconceivable a notion to have a custom barrel installed on a Ruger #1? I would do that as a matter of course if I were to buy a new one anyway. (I have not been hearing good things about their accuracy of late)

My brother bought a Ruger Number One in 7mm Remington Magnum and had the same mindset of automatically changing the barrel. A few trips to the gun range convinced him that the barrel on the rifle was going to remain right where it is.

[JesterGrin_1]

Again BEAUTIFUL No.1 Ben

So much so in fact and with some help from Ben I am going to pick up a Ruger No.1 B Stainless in .243 as pictured below sans scope and have Jess Re-Bore to .358 Winchester and cut the barrel down to 20". It will not be as nice as the one Ben has but it should do the job. :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/SHAKERATTLEROLL/RugerNo12.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/SHAKERATTLEROLL/RugerNo1.jpg

[QUOTE=Ben;1585987]If Ruger won't make a nice fast handling Ruger # 1 in 358 Win., you'll just have to take things into your own hands ( took me 9 months of metal and wood working , but it was worth every hour and every dime I've put into the project ) And YES, it is a shooter ! ! :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/haysb/Ruger%20Number%201%20%20358%20Win/PICT0014.jpg





http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/haysb/Ruger%20Number%201%20%20358%20Win/PICT0030.jpg

[Nobade]

Oh Yeah! I like that stock set! Nice work there.

[Hang Fire]

.45-70 in #3 with mid to high pressure loads the action is capable of will not do your shoulder any good, trust me
- 375 big bore was enough to put a pad on mine.
:bigsmyl2:

My only .45-70 rifle now is the Marlin 1895 and it also has a recoil pad

I converted this Sile repro percussion Sharps to .45-70 carbine using a part turned down and sweated in #3 barrel. Even with BP and 500 grain boolit loads only, it let you know in no uncertain terms it was no .22 rf.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/TANSTAAFL-2/P1010003-2.jpg


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[olafhardt]

How about a tactical number 1? Maybe in that rimmed Russian caliber? A cork screw bayonet and a scout scope would be nice. Please no tacky white line spacers.

[nanuk]

Ben, that is one Sexy piece of walnut and steel....just about perfect...now if the cheek piece was on the other side..Perfection!!!

Very very nice, you have excellent taste in rifles my friend.

agreed.... why do they put them on the "Wrong" side all the time!

[scb]

Brownells used to sell No 1 barrelled actions, don't think they do any more - bummer

Yes, for the same price you could buy a complete rifle for.

[Hang Fire]

The Ruger #1 IMO was based on the Farquharson Rifle. The Farquharson Rifle/action was invented by John Farquharson of Daldhu, Scotland in the early 1870's. So the period design would fit right in with the Sharps, Winchester high wall and Remington RB

The Ruger #1:

http://gastatic.com/UserImages/121548/985878314/pop_wm_3165576.jpg

The Farquharson, look familiar?


http://www.imfdb.org/w/images/thumb/4/4b/Farq2.jpg/450px-Farq2.jpg



http://www.imfdb.org/w/images/thumb/e/e2/Farq.jpg/450px-Farq.jpg

[Unklbuck]

I have one of the Cabelas special run of Number 1's in 30-40 Krag...can anyone suggest a good peepsight that will fit into the ramp dovetail and work well with that longer eye relief ?. Looking to work up some 170gr Cast loads as well.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.

[Nobade]

I have one of the Cabelas special run of Number 1's in 30-40 Krag...can anyone suggest a good peepsight that will fit into the ramp dovetail and work well with that longer eye relief ?. Looking to work up some 170gr Cast loads as well.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.

I believe NEGC (New England Gun Company?) makes a nice peep sight that grabs the quarter rib where the rear scope ring would be. Brownell's should have them.

[Greg B.]

If anybody likes a fancy Farquharson check out Sorokarifle.com. Beautiful to look at. Just like some of the top of the line Sharps rifles comming out of Montana.

If I remember right Ruger made about six North Americain big game commerative No. 1 rifles about twenty years ago complete with wood and leather boxes etc. They were more expensive than the Soroka's but just as nice as any London "best" gun in my opinion.
It would be nice to own one but I sure enjoy the pictures.

Greg B.

[reloader45]

group buy?
:kidding:
As said above, not enough people want the cool things we may want.

Maybe if Davidson's or Lipsey's hears enough about this, they would be interested.
Time to start bugging the above about it.

Hey Guys don't confuse Ruger anymore than they are.

I've had a SR1911 (the new SS 1911) on order for 7 months and signed on every gun store wait list in S. Oregon and I have finally given up. With having close to 20 various Rugers in the gun safe, no more for me. To much of their advertising hup-la on the SR1911 in every gun magazine in the US. Many say on other sites there available at their LGS, but when you add FFL on both ends it's not worth it. Hurray for Kimber!

[Jack Stanley]

I am probably going to get shot for this - and maybe rightfully so - but I want a classy Ruger No. 1.

Why in blazes is this gun not offered in the graceful octagonal barrels and provisions for the archaic tang sights the BPCR guys are so enamoured with? I know it wouldn't be a BPCR legal rifle but who cares? The idea of the gun was a modern take on an old world design in the first place, wasn't it?

I figure that if these guys can crank out a piston AR15 on a whim and push it into an overcrowded market...can't they do the same with the No. 1?

I wonder what is preventing them from doing this? From a marketing standpoint something like this would be obvious to me...

Maybe try it the old fashioned way , wave lots of money under their nose , offer half the payment up front and then place an order for about 10M of them .

:smile:Jack

[scb]

Hey Guys don't confuse Ruger anymore than they are.

I've had a SR1911 (the new SS 1911) on order for 7 months and signed on every gun store wait list in S. Oregon and I have finally given up. With having close to 20 various Rugers in the gun safe, no more for me. To much of their advertising hup-la on the SR1911 in every gun magazine in the US. Many say on other sites there available at their LGS, but when you add FFL on both ends it's not worth it. Hurray for Kimber!

Ruger is famous (or perhaps notorious) for that. I remember when they first announced the mini 14, it was 3 years 'til the first ones hit retail racks.

[JesterGrin_1]

Ruger is famous (or perhaps notorious) for that. I remember when they first announced the mini 14, it was 3 years 'til the first ones hit retail racks.

I think it is Rugers way of Market Research. Make something that looks good to the public then see how many people are actually serious about purchasing the item and then they decide to produce the item.

[W.R.Buchanan]

The problem that Ruger has right now is that they are running 3 shifts balls to the wall, they cannot hire the engineers they need to branch out on other product lines, and if they did have them they would only be assigned tasks on the most profitable projects.

You mentioned AR's. AR's and 1911's are the most popular guns going right now hence they make both.

Just to show how serious they are about this concept, (which is good business by the way) They are not producing the RGS77 Ruger Gunsite carbine in any other caliber than .308. IE: there will be no .223 version.

Reason? They are selling all of the .308 versions they can make now so why branch off. Also there is no shortgage of .223 cal rifles so the market for that gun would be limited.

The market for your gun, and I must confess I have been looking for a #1 action for along time to do exactly what you want, is so limited that it would not be profitable to do a run of even 100 of them (minimum run) I personally think they would sell them all in a heartbeat, but I don't get to make the decisions on what they will make.

Ruger also makes most of the gun barrels for everyone else's guns in the US, save for Remington, so that part of the shop is maxed out all the time.

If you look at all of the different types of successful guns that Ruger makes (they have by far the widest selection of any firearms mfg in this country) You'll note that virtually all of them are good sellers and hence Ruger is one of the best , if not the best,,, run gun company in this country. They got that way by giving the most people what they want as much as possible.

All that said, I'd like one built like this too. I also agree with the 26-28" barrel point made above however I would extend that to 30-34"

Also if you want to bitch at someone why not get BPCS outfit to get off their exposed hammer kick so people with #1's could compete. There is absolutely no advantage to the hammerless or hidden hammer gun in a competition like BPCS. The only advantage to the exposed hammer is you can tell if the gun is cocked just by looking, with the Ruger if the lever is open the gun is safe and if it is closed it is cocked. What's so hard about that.? But NOoooo! I guess the Farquarson action from England was to modern for them. If they loosened up then Ruger would have a market for that gun, and you would probably see a gun for that discipline,,, In limited quantities.

I have a friend that has a #1 with a custom long 28" barrel some guy in Prescott made 25 years ago. 10.5 lbs It is chambered in .458 mag. I shot it a bunch 20 years ago and loved it, and have been trying to get it away from him ever since. I would redo the chamber to .45-70 or 90. They never changed the extractor on that gun so it doesn't eject right, it still has the rimmed case extractor in it even though the gun is chambered for a belted cartridge. This is the first thing I would change about it.. It also has a Williams sight on it that I would throw away in favor of a Lyman with a long slide, which probably would be frowned on by the purests too.

But, alas,,, he won't turn loose of it.

And I would like to use it in BPCS, but that probably won't happen either.

The only option is if you want something special you have to make it yourself.

Sorry,,, I'm bummed too! But reality trumps my wishes most of the time.

Randy