MiHec 45 2.1 Design Cramer-type Lyman 311440 (HP'd 30 cal Hammer o' Thor)

[HenryC460]

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Here's a picture of the boolit that 45 2.1 designed and Miha is going to make moulds for:

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=36638&d=1318679628

I fell in love with this boolit reading my Lymans' Cast Bullet Handbook. Look at that big gorgeous meplat. It ought to smack the heck out of whatever you are shooting at, and it's planty flat for tubular magazines. I have heard that it likes to be driven fast and is bona fide deer medicine.

The 45 2.1 design functions in 30-30's, 308's, and 30-06's. I think it does in 303's. One rifle the nose might be too tight a fit for is the Marlin. Marlin chambers run tighter than Winchester 94's.

Here are your prices and options:

Diameters: It's 0.312" nominal driving bands if you want a gas checked mould. If you want plain based, I think we can get you one with 0.314" driving bands.

2-cavity or 4-cavity (but we'd like to pare it down to one or the other)

Gas checked or plain base.

Basic prices:

The 2-cavity moulds are $90 plus shipping.
The 4-cavity moulds are $125 plus shipping.

Then there's pins, and I will update this when I know for sure what the extra pin charge is.

The moulds use Lee 6-cavity handles or Miha's excellent CNC machined handles, which you can buy at MP Molds (Miha's Website (http://www.mp-molds.com/shopping/pgm-more_information.php?id=6&=SID)).

[HenryC460]

1. bronte454 . . . . . thadd3220 at yahoo dot com 4C, GC, deep and shallow pins
2. midnight . . . . . rwhyte at wi dot rr dot com - 4C, GC, American, all pins
3. rxp46 - janhagemans at hetnet dot nl - 4C, American, Plain Base, all pins
4. Dannix . . . . . dpumpkin [@+] runbox (d0+) com - 2C, GC, American, all pins
5. castblaster - 4C, (GC) American*
6. harley45 . . . . . uoftrainer at comcast dot net, 4C, GC, American, solid mould
7. gmsharps . . . . . gmsharps at cs dot com - 4C, GC, American, all pins
8. gandydancer . . . . . emack nine at embarq mail dot com - 2C, PB, American
9. bwgdog . . . . . barrywg oodwin at gmaildotcom - 4C, GC, American, all pins
10. JFE . . . . . jfe dot oz at optusnet dot com dot au - 2C, GC, American, shallow and blank pins
11. HenryC460 . . . . . *** - 4C, GC, American, solid
12. dragon813gt . . . . . 4C, GC, American (312), solid - dragon813gt at yahoo dot com
13. peterthevet . . . . . peterherpvet at gmail dot com - 4C, GC, solid American
14. NYBushBro . . . . . mopedmedic AT hotmail DOT com - 2C (GC) American
15. MostlyOnThePaper . . . . . kc5vtk at comcast dot net - 2C, GC, all pins
16. Greg . . . . . kratzner at charter dot net - 2C, GC, solid, American (0.312)
17. Beau Cassidy . . . . . Smallmouth dot Catcher at H0tmail dot com - 4C (GC) American, HP (no extra pins) (311)
18. square butte . . . . . *** - 2C (GC) American, all pins
19. uaskme . . . . . pardue10 at comcast dot net - 4C, GC, American (311), all pins
20. peterthevet . . . . . peterherpvet at gmail dot com - 2C, GC, American, all pins
21. x101airborne . . . . . x101airborne at yahoo dot com - 4C, GC, solid
22. Salmon-boy . . . . . salmon (dash) boy at c0mcast dot net - 4C, GC, all pins, American
23. BobS . . . . . bbschnvratyahoodotcom - 2C, GC, HP and blank pins
24. 338RemUltraMag . . . . . Hpfan2517 at yahoo dot com - 2C (GC) shallow and blank pins
25. Bill*B . . . . . be_barry at verizon dot net - 2C, GC, American, deep HP pins only
26. hotwheelz . . . . . willsfxsts at gmail dot com - 2C, GC, all pins
27. shangrila . . . . . unluckyone at mailcity dot com - 2C, GC all pins American
28. buckndee . . . . . 2 hunters 2 at comcast dot net - 2C (GC), American, shallow and deep HP pins
29. Valley Forge . . . . . l.harrison at hollywoodsound dot com - 4 C, GC, American, with all pins
30. marten . . . . . turveystalking at gmail dot com 2C (GC) all pins
31. Bert2368 . . . . . bert (at) hollywoodpyrotechnics (dot) com - 4C, GC, American, shallow and blank pins
32. cast-n-blast . . . . . hoover0588 at aol dot com 4C (GC) solid 312
33. PB234American . . . . . jeff5tg at yahoo dot com - 2C, GC, all pins
34. codeNshoot . . . . . ryan underscore(the symbol) lombardo at yahoo dot com - 4C, GC, American, shallow pins only
35. castalott . . . . . gardensngoats at gmail dot com - 4C, GC, American, round HP pins and flat pins
36. dagunnut - robertzanoni at yahoo dot com, 2 cavity, American, GC, all pins
37. rxp46 - janhagemans at hetnet dot nl, 4C, PB, American, all pins
38. RJM52 . . . . . vitalsupply at metrocast dot net - 4 cavity, GC, solid nose American
39. 41mag . . . . . 41mag (at) peoplepc (dot) com - 4C, GC, American, all pins
40. sisterjim . . . . . sisterjim at hotmaildotcom - 4C, GC, .312 HPall pins
41. Island Trash . . . . . Brian.wittmann at g mail dot com - 4C, GC, American, all pins
42. Island Trash . . . . . Brian.wittmann at g mail dot com - 4C, PB, American, all pins
43. chrisw . . . . . cwillis at mail dot com - 4C, GC, all pins (Deep, Shallow and Blank IIRC) drilled for temp probe if possible
44. bfuller14 . . . . . one nine six one at sbcglobal dot net 2C, PB,all pins
45. ShakeyJakey . . . . . . putzieataoldotkom 2C GC solid 0.312
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[Greg]

Henry-

put me down for a 2 cavity GC of 'American' diameter

[sewerman68]

I've always wanted this boolit in a 190-200 gr. Be a beastie. Esp. in a hollow point.

[Nrut]

Hello,
How much engraving is the ideal for a bore riding nose?

Zero?
.001"?
.002"?

Max engraving would be how much?

I am only going to buy one mold and trying to figure which size would be best for several rifles..
Thanks..

[Dutch4122]

As stated in the "discussion" thread:

I will take one 2 cavity "standard" with small H/P pins and a set of plug style flat nosed pins;

and

one 2 cavity "American" with small H/P pins and a set of plug style flat nosed pins. :drinks:

[midnight]

If we are starting a new list here in the active thread, put me down for one 4 cavity brass Cramer style mold with standard HP pins and "plug" pins in the 301/312 size.

Bob

[nanuk]

just wondering if 45 2.1 can tell us if the radius nose has any difference in impact/bleed out in game as opposed to a sharp edged nose, like a RanchDog?

I would guess NO, as it would probably expand some, and that negates any advantage of a sharper edge once the initial hole is made.

What would be the farthest one could expect good performance at 30-30 MV's? I'm thinking impact velocity on this one can be lower due to that flat nose.

[winelover]

Block material?

Winelover

[square butte]

2 cavity gas check American

[uaskme]

American 4c GC

[Dutch4122]

Block material?
Winelover

Block material for this Group Buy is brass.

[x101airborne]

I am in for a two cav at least. I will like to see more drawings and info though.

[45 2.1]

Just wondering if 45 2.1 can tell us if the radius nose has any difference in impact/bleed out in game as opposed to a sharp edged nose, like a RanchDog? You'll note that RD went to a radiused nose on his latest 30 cal. rifle boolit. Most animals hit with this boolit go right down.

I would guess NO, as it would probably expand some, and that negates any advantage of a sharper edge once the initial hole is made. We haven't shot anything with a hollow point yet as the solid does so well killing and knocking things down and out. Velocities used in testing were around 1800 to 1900 fps.

What would be the farthest one could expect good performance at 30-30 MV's? I'm thinking impact velocity on this one can be lower due to that flat nose. We've shot varmints and stuff at approx. 125 yds and under so far. DRT at that distance with a placed shot. Longer shoots are harder to get in the normal 40 acres fenced setup with crop fields, timber and brush intermixed.

[midnight]

Henry, are we starting a new list here or are you going to migrate the old list to the active thread? I posted my wants on this active thread, I suppose we'll all have to wait til you get the pin info. I have a mold to cast solids so HP pins that don't stick out the bottom would be all I would need unless there is more than one HP style or size. Looking forward to getting the first post edited with drawings and dimensions maybe, and a list. I like to print the first page or two of the active thread and put it in the box with the mold. It kind of establishes the provenance of the mold.

Bob

[winelover]

What is the as cast weight projected to be in WW both as a HP and solid? I read the 6 pages of the initial discussion and didn't find the weight. The original Lyman was 147 grains in a solid with a GC. If the bands are wider and WW's are heavier than #2 alloy, I assume it will be more than 147 grs as a solid.

Winelover

[45 2.1]

What is the as cast weight projected to be in WW both as a HP and solid? Winelover

The 0.312 " diameter one is 161 gr. solid and 154 gr. HP reagy to load.

[x101airborne]

For now, Im in for a 4 cav, all gas check, no hollow point option. Thanks.

[bronte454]

Bump for list an interest

[Salmon-boy]

I'm in for a 4 cav hollow point gc with additional blank pins if available/necessary..

[harley45]

I'll take a 2 cavity solid

[338RemUltraMag]

Whats the time line for this? As I am getting 2 molds already and am strapped right now, if this is 6 to 8 months away put me down for an "american" solid 2 cav gc.

If this will be a month or 2 out I gotta pass

[rxp46]

I'll take a 4 cav with all the pins...

gr jan.

[Bill*B]

2 cavity American, hollow point Bill*B

[HiVelocity]

Don't miss out on this one!

Although this bullet was probably designed for the 30-30 cartridge; I plan to load it in both 308 and 30-06. "teaser" photo below.

Hey, "just food for thought".

HV

[hotwheelz]

IM in for 2-cavityGC solid no hp's

[NYBushBro]

Please put me down for a 2 cav 2GC solid in American size.

[midnight]

Henry must be really busy or else he hasn't got the final word from Miha about dimensions and options. I like to watch the list grow. Henry will migrate it over and update it when he is ready. It's been three weeks since we heard from you Henry. How are you doing.

Bob

[shangrila]

I'm interested in an American 2 cav, GC, w/ all the pins... you guys are killin' me!

:)

[uaskme]

4c gc hp

[PB234]

Any comment as to whether this would work nicely in a 7.62X39mm CZ would be very helpful.

Thanks

[buckndee]

I would be interested in a 2C solid.

[scrubber]

I will take a 4 cavity gas checked American with standard HP pins

dlporter (at) speakeasy (dot) net

[TMenezes]

Very interested in this for my 7.65 Argentine Mauser (.314, standard size I believe). Is the weight finalized yet? I read 148 gr to 190gr on the dicussion thread. I am kinda hoping for 168gr to 180ish, but will take whatever size it turns out to be.

Put me down for the "standard" (.314) 2 cavity Gas Checked model with all the pins.

If this is still many months out please email me so i dont miss out. Trmenezes7 at g mail dot com.

[Idaho Sharpshooter]

I'm in for a 4-cavity "American" HP with pins.

Rich

[Bert2368]

I'm in for a 4 cavity, I'd like to see what all the possible options are? Is there a discussion thread?

[square butte]

Anyone know where we are at on this one?

[Dannix]

I remain committed. Please include my listing when you copy over the list from the discussion thread.

[HenryC460]

Henry must be really busy or else he hasn't got the final word from Miha about dimensions and options. I like to watch the list grow. Henry will migrate it over and update it when he is ready. It's been three weeks since we heard from you Henry. How are you doing.

Bob

Hi Bob,

I'm fine. Thanks for asking. Just busy as anything.

I am waiting (and asked once more) to hear about diameters. Here is the rub. If this was a plain based mould, an orbiting cherry could cut cavities of two different diameters pretty simply. If the same thing is done with a gas checked mould, you get two different diameters of gas check shank.

I must admit, I am operating under layers of ignorance on the matter myself.

I think that if you want a constant gas check shank diameter, you need to make a separate cherry, and you need a separate tool change and machining step.

I don't know whether a constant gas check shank diameter is actually needed.

Is the whole world using Hornady checks now?

If you tried to seat a Hornady gas check on a gas check shank that was 0.002" fatter, would it be too tight to seat correctly?

If you size a 30 caliber gas check down to 0.313" instead of 0.311", would you maybe want a gas check shank that started out 0.002" fatter so it would fit just as tight in both cases?

Please weigh in on the importance of gas check shank diameter. Especially people who want 0.314" driving bands. If "Standard" moulds can or should have gas check shanks that are 0.002" fatter than "American" moulds, then we're off to the races. If gas check shank diameter needs to be fixed and invariable, then we are still in the discussion phase and need to verify with Miha that such a variable-diameter mould is practical to make.

I'll get that list migrated and updated soon, but I'd really like to finalize the diameter question.

[midnight]

I have GC molds for both 30cal and 303. I'll cast up some of each and measure the GC shank. I know you use 30cal GCs for both. I'd measure the mold but that's too hard to do. Another thing that adds another variable for me is I should receive a 30 cal check maker in the mail Monday. I think by varying the thickness of the stock material I can make checks that fit both perfectly. Jeez, this hobby gets expensive. Wouldn't have it any other way. Thankfully we still have the freedom to do it.

Bob

[bwgdog]

Only been useing Blammers GC,s-Better fit-more consistant-than others. Only use 30 cal. Hope this helps.

[Shakey Jakey]

I'm in for a 2C gas check solid. It will be for a 30 cal so dropping .311-.312 will be fine for me. Awaiting more info.

[HenryC460]

Here's the deal on diameters:

Two different diameters means two different toolings and setups. Miha will make whichever diameter there is sufficient buyers for.

I'm going to make a quick count here...

21 buyers have requested American diameters
3 buyers have requested Standard diameters

I think we need a larger number of Standard moulds if they are going to be made in that diameter. I haven't ever cast for an Enfield or an SKS. Would a 0.312" boolit still be over groove diameter for you, or is that cutting it too close?

[gmsharps]

I am #7 on the list so I guess I need to switch to the American diameter, I do not want to miss out on this. I should be able to Beagle it to get the larger size if I need it.

Gmsharps

[JFE]

Must resist, must resist, but.....

For the sake of clarity, is the plan to make solid nose moulds (ie with no pins at all) and separate run with Cramer pins ? Or, are solids made with solid pins in the cramer mould?

Finally, any idea on the size and type of the HP pins ?

[harley45]

I want American Dia. flat pins and a set of round.
4 Cavity is fine

[Nrut]

#15 on the list:

2 cav.

gas check

American

No HP or solid pins, ie. just a FN

Thanks

[buckndee]

I am # 30 on the list.

Would like to change to American 2C GC with HP.

Thank,
Buckndee

[PB234]

Please add me to the list for:

American 2 cavity, GC, with HP and flat point pins

thanks

PB234

jeff5tg at yahoo dot com

[Dannix]

Please change from this:
4. Dannix - 2C (GC) American, all pins

To:
4. Dannix - 2Cav, GC, American, round and solid pins, dpumpkin [@+] runbox (d0+) com

Thanks!

[codeNshoot]

Looks like a great bullet for my '94 30-30. I'm in

4 cav, gas check, american dimensions (.311 would probably be perfect, either way)
standard round pins

[338RemUltraMag]

Im still interested also. So slap me on whatever list is needed

[dagunnut]

Please put me down for a 2 cavity, American, GC, all pins
robertzanoni at yahoo dot com

[scrubber]

I'm number 31 on the list. I would like to be removed from the list. I have changed my mind and will be going with the 308 hunting bullet that just went active.

Sorry and Thanks,

Scrubber

[Bill*B]

Just noticed that I got on the list twice - just need one mold - please delete one of them. Please leave #26 and delete #13. Regards, Bill.

[Beau Cassidy]

Can you please make me (#17) a HP with no extra pins.

Thanks.

[peterthevet]

Please put me down for either a 2 cavity or 4 cavity American dimensions, thanks.

[Salmon-boy]

Can you please make mine (#22) an American? This sounds like ordering burgers!

[Valley Forge]

Please include me for (1) "American" 4 cav, GC, with all pins.

[castalott]

4 cavity gas check
American (.312)
round HP pins and flat pins

[Dutch4122]

HenryC460-

Well, it looks like since we won't have enough orders for the "standard" dimension mold you can cancel my order (#6 on the list) for that mold.

I am still in (#12 on the list) for the "American" dimension mold. Please make mine a 4 cavity, gas checked, with hollowpoint pins, and flat nose pins.

dutch4122(at)yahoo(dot)com

Thanks,

[rxp46]

Put me on the list for the "American" 4 cavity Plain Base.

janhagemans at hetnet dot nl

gr jan

[HenryC460]

Must resist, must resist, but.....

For the sake of clarity, is the plan to make solid nose moulds (ie with no pins at all) and separate run with Cramer pins ? Or, are solids made with solid pins in the cramer mould?

Finally, any idea on the size and type of the HP pins ?

I think you can make solids with the solid pins. I'll ask Miha whether he can make some solid, non-pinnable blocks. I don't know about the pin size.

I think the pin size starts as big as you can get on the nose with 15 degrees on each side in order that the boolit drops free. I'll forward that for verification too.

[Dannix]

I think you can make solids with the solid pins.
One can also make solids by simply flipping over the HP pins, if you want to save a few bucks and not get dedicated solid pins. The attraction of dedication solid pins is that they don't stick out the bottom like inverted HP pins do, so they don't interfere with any mould guides.

If I'm not mistaken, the solid version of this mould forked off into a NOE GB. I believe they stuck with the traditional version of this mould rather than 45 2.1's version though.

[dagunnut]

I posted this in post #53 and have not been added to the list.

Please put me down for a 2 cavity, American, GC, all pins
robertzanoni at yahoo dot com

Please add me!

[HenryC460]

I posted this in post #53 and have not been added to the list.

Please put me down for a 2 cavity, American, GC, all pins
robertzanoni at yahoo dot com

Please add me!

Sorry about the oversight. You're in.

[HenryC460]

Must resist, must resist, but.....

For the sake of clarity, is the plan to make solid nose moulds (ie with no pins at all) and separate run with Cramer pins ? Or, are solids made with solid pins in the cramer mould?

Finally, any idea on the size and type of the HP pins ?

Miha says solid conventional moulds without pins are no problem for this buy. Like one?

[JFE]

HenryC460 - thanks for the feedback.

Please put me down for a 2C Cramer HP, GC, American size (312) plus all pins.

jfe.oz at optusnet dot com dot au

[Shedhunter]

I'm interested but what is the final price with the pin options?

[RJM52]

I would like one:

4-Cavity Solid/Gas check

To: RJM/ vitalsupply at metrocast dot net

Thanks...Bob

[bronte454]

HenryC could you please make mine a 4 cavity on the number 1 spot please and also can you see about getting a diagram displaying the HP profile to be used on this mold. Personally I would like to see about a narrow channel, don't want to big that explodes at rifle velocity and maybe if it can be an option for a shallow cup design to just enniciate expansion . Plz and thank you

[midnight]

If I remember correctly Henry, Miha requires out camoflaged email address so he can send us a paypal invoice when the molds are ready to ship. We have a lot of them to get so I'll start with mine. I am #2 on "the list". rwhyte at wi dot rr dot com

Bob

[HenryC460]

If I remember correctly Henry, Miha requires out camoflaged email address so he can send us a paypal invoice when the molds are ready to ship. We have a lot of them to get so I'll start with mine. I am #2 on "the list". rwhyte at wi dot rr dot com

Bob

Bob, you read my mind.

When I migrated things over from the discussion, I neglected to mention that. My plan is to go down the list and PM each buyer form whom I need a masked email address and any details about their mould (Miha has looked it over, and he wants me to make sure PB or GC is specified for each mould, for instance).

I'd rather take care of it that way than get 40-odd replies in the thread and much rather do that than ask people to edit their initial post and look for the changing detail within the thread.

Thanks for your address. Anybody who would like to PM me their masked email address and diameter or base style specifications, please do so. If you want to wait for me to ask (maybe Friday evening), feel free.

Henry

[harley45]

PM sent!

[Shakey Jakey]

putzie at aol dot kom (response to PM)

[RJM52]

#42/RJM should also be an American...

Thanks...Bob

[square butte]

Do we have anything on pin design and what will be available in that regard?

[HenryC460]

Do we have anything on pin design and what will be available in that regard?

I've got a PM in to Miha. My guess is that there will be round pins and blanking pins (for casting solid nose in the Cramer-type mould).

Of course, there is a no-pins option, same mould not drilled for pins that just casts solid nose boolits.

[BobS]

Can a newbe get in for a 2 cavity with pins both HP and solid???
BobS aka Cools

[HenryC460]

I'm interested but what is the final price with the pin options?

I've got a PM in to Miha about that.

The Cramer-type mould for this buy is $125 for 4-cavity or $90 for a 2-cavity and includes one set of pins. On one other current buy, an extra set of pins is $16 (for a 4-cavity mould). I'd guess that the extra pins for this group buy will be somewhere near $16.

I figure one of the optional pin sets is going to be blanking pins that let you cast a solid nose boolit, but that don't protrude below the bottom of the mould. That way it sits flat when you sit it down.

If all you want is a solid nose mould, these are available too (no pins, no holes drilled for pins, just a conventional mould).

[HenryC460]

Do we have anything on pin design and what will be available in that regard?

Miha says he's planning to post a drawing showing the cavity design. I've asked him about pin options.

[HenryC460]

Can a newbe get in for a 2 cavity with pins both HP and solid???
BobS aka Cools


You are #23 on the list. Would you like gas checked or plain base? Also, can you post a masked email address?

[HenryC460]

HenryC could you please make mine a 4 cavity on the number 1 spot please and also can you see about getting a diagram displaying the HP profile to be used on this mold. Personally I would like to see about a narrow channel, don't want to big that explodes at rifle velocity and maybe if it can be an option for a shallow cup design to just enniciate expansion . Plz and thank you

I have you down for a 4C. Would you like plain base or gas checked? Also, can you send me a masked email address?

I have forwarded your HP design suggestion to the design committee (Miha and 45 2.1) by PM

H. C.

[NYBushBro]

You have me listed TWICE (#14 and #28). Please remove one of the entries, as I only want ONE mold. Thanks.

[HenryC460]

You have me listed TWICE (#14 and #28). Please remove one of the entries, as I only want ONE mold. Thanks.

Thanks. You're just #14 now.

[45 2.1]

I have forwarded your HP design suggestion to the design committee (Miha and 45 2.1) by PM
H. C.

Shown below is the hollow point configuration as sent to MiHec for this mold. The problem with Cramer style hollow points is they have to release the same as a boolit from a mold. A normal Lyman HP pin is mechanically removed. You would have trouble with a skinny straight pin on a cramer HP. Below is a drawing.

[Dannix]

I like the current HP cavity, but shallow dish / cup HP pins too would be an attractive proposition.

[bronte454]

I like the idea of a shallow cup as a secondary option. Additional set of pins .

[Dannix]

I like the current HP cavity, but shallow dish / cup HP pins too would be an attractive proposition.

45 2.1, could an additional, cup/dish HP pin be a possibility, e.g. something like this? Just checking. Your show.
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=37642&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1321539361

[square butte]

Yes, I like this idea as well.

[45 2.1]

I like the idea of a shallow cup as a secondary option. Additional set of pins .


45 2.1, could an additional, cup/dish HP pin be a possibility, e.g. something like this? Just checking. Your show.


Yes, I like this idea as well.

Yep, I can do that.............. BUT, the Honcho needs to get the word out and see who wants it and the HP. Like right now. The mold cutter needs some imput if he is going to cut it. The cherry is probably on order now. The pins need to be.

[Dannix]

Cool deal. We'll see if HenryC460 can make it happen. If not, it's not the end of the world. (But it is the tip of the boolit. I must be getting old -- I'm starting to laugh at my own jokes.)

[NYBushBro]

Any news on that 'CUP' HP option from Miha?

IF HE CAN DO THIS, I would like to change my order from a 2-cav solid nose American to a 2-cav 2-GC Cramer with the shallow CUP HP option...

If he can't (or won't at this stage), leave mine as a 2-cav GC solid nose (American).

(Entry #14 - NYBushBro).

[NYBushBro]

On second thought, I think it may be too late to change this (as I ordered a SOLID), so please keep my order as originally stated: 2-cav 2GC SOLID NOSE (American).

I don't want to throw a monkey wrench in the works at this stage of the game.
(Customer #14 - NYBushBro)

[bronte454]

On mine 4 cav G.C. both sets of pins full H.P. and the cup H.P. if this is O.K.'d by Miha

[45 2.1]

If the cup point is gonna happen, HenryC460 needs to query the folks buying these molds ASAP so MiHec knows what to make.

[midnight]

My order is 4C, GC, American, all pins. If the "cup pins" become an option, I want that one too. Whatever he makes, I want.

Bob

[HenryC460]

Queries going out this evening on the two different HP pins.

I suppose the options are:

A. Deep HP pins

B. Shallow HP

C. Blanking (solids) pins

or A and B (all HP pins)

or A and C

or B and C

or A, B, and C (all pins).

Seven options there. Probably a minimum on either kind of HP pin, I guess.

Everyone should expect a PM soon.

[HenryC460]

Now, everyone on the group buy has a PM that reads like this:

MiHec 45 2.1 Cramer type Lyman 311440 Group Buy

Howdy,

Please see post #91 on the group buy thread. There will be three types of pins available for this group buy:

A. Deep HP pins (see the drawing on post #91)

B. Shallow HP pins (see the drawing on post #91)

C. Blank pins (to cast solid nose boolits)

Of these, please let me know which pins you'd like for your order. If you want a solid nose mould, and you haven't changed your mind about that, please let me know anyway.

My impression is that this mould is coming up soon, so I'd like to get the list updated according to the new options.

And I don't know for sure how much sets of pins cost. Your fist one is included, and on several other current group buys, extra sets of pins are $16. I'm guessing they will be $16 on this buy. I'll ask Miha, and I'll update the thread with the exact deal.

Thanks,

H. C.

Please send your replies quickly.

Thanks

[PB234]

Henry,

I am number 33 on the list. Please make mine with all pins including deep, shallow and blanking (solid nose) included.

Thanks again,

jeff5tg at yahoo dot com

[rxp46]

Henry,

I am no 3 and 37 on the list.

Yes i want 2 molds ; 4 cav, american, plain base, all pins.

Gr jan.

[gmsharps]

I am #7 on the list and want all pins available including a set of blank pins

gmsharps

[Dutch4122]

Henry-

I will take all pin options with my order. #12 on your list.

Thanks!:D

[shangrila]

Henry, pm responded to... all pin option please (A, B, C). Thanks!

Tim

unluckyone at mailcity dot com

[Beau Cassidy]

The only pins in want are like in post number 91.

[338RemUltraMag]

Ok, i want a set of shallow pins and blanks for a solid bullet

[HenryC460]

The only pins in want are like in post number 91.

That drawing pretty much covers deep, shallow, and blank pins. Would you like all three?

[HenryC460]

Block material?

Winelover

I'm pretty darn sure the blocks are brass. I don't think Cramer-type pins slide back and forth through hot aluminum so well. There is a PM in to Miha for clarification, or if 45 2.1 knows (He's a designer, THE designer here for this mould, actually) he might weigh in. Sorry I missed your question earlier.

[Beau Cassidy]

That drawing pretty much covers deep, shallow, and blank pins. Would you like all three?

Shallow should cast real nice in that bullet.

[Greg]

HenryC460

If the shallow pins are in fact a cup point this is what I want…

I’m #16 on the list, and I want;

2 cavity Gas Check,
American diameters: .301, .312
Cup point pins, and blank pins for solids

[45 2.1]

I'm pretty darn sure the blocks are brass. I don't think Cramer-type pins slide back and forth through hot aluminum so well. There is a PM in to Miha for clarification, or if 45 2.1 knows (He's a designer, THE designer here for this mould, actually) he might weigh in. Sorry I missed your question earlier.


Cramers are brass blocks

[HenryC460]

Shallow should cast real nice in that bullet.

So which pins would you like?

[HenryC460]

HenryC460

If the shallow pins are in fact a cup point this is what I want…

I’m #16 on the list, and I want;

2 cavity Gas Check,
American diameters: .301, .312
Cup point pins, and blank pins for solids

Hi Greg,

I don't know whether or not the drawing in post #91 on this thread looks like a cup point or not (I don't know what a cup point is, actually). Can you take a look and see if the shallow cavity drawn there looks suitable?

Thanks

[hotwheelz]

I am #26 on the list I goo with all the pins GC'd please sir.

[mortre]

Can I be added to the list?

I think .312 and GC'd is the only option at this point? 4 cavity all pins.

Is it possible to get .312 and plain based instead of gas checked?

jasondotkdotcopasatgmaildotcom


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[MostlyOnThePaper]

Always gotta find one more... Please make mine a 2 cavity American all pins

kc5vtk AT comcast DOT net

[HenryC460]

Can I be added to the list?

I think .312 and GC'd is the only option at this point? 4 cavity all pins.

Is it possible to get .312 and plain based instead of gas checked?

jasondotkdotcopasatgmaildotcom


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Plain base is an option, and I've got you down for one now. You're #15.

[HenryC460]

Always gotta find one more... Please make mine a 2 cavity American all pins

kc5vtk AT comcast DOT net

Would you like that plain based or gas checked?

[castblaster]

Castblaster no5 on list. I want all pins


Matt Hooper

[MostlyOnThePaper]

Would you like that plain based or gas checked?

Is it possible to get one of each? If not both gas checked I guess
Thanks
Randy

[mortre]

Plain base is an option, and I've got you down for one now. You're #15.

Thanks!

[Dannix]

Is it possible to get one of each? If not both gas checked I guess
Thanks
Randy

Hi Randy,

I'd wait for Henry to confirm, but I know in the past Miha does not offer he mixing of plain base and gas checked in the same mould.

[alrighty]

I need to drop out of this one , I am going with the NOE 311440.

[338RemUltraMag]

Droping out of this one, found the NOE lyman 311440 clone.

[mortre]

I'm dropping out as well. Sorry!

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[marten]

Can I join in and have a 2 cavity gas check with all pins?
turveystalking at gmail dot com

[marten]

As per title.... no movement here, not added to p1 list.

Not a confidence booster!

[HenryC460]

Hi marten,

You are #30 now. Sorry it took me so long.

[marten]

Hi marten,

You are #30 now. Sorry it took me so long.

Thank you Henry!

[MostlyOnThePaper]

Henry,
I don't see me on the list, it was 2 cav gc all pins
Thanks for your efforts in this, an awful lot to keep track of!

Randy

kc5vtk at comcast dot net

[HenryC460]

Henry,
I don't see me on the list, it was 2 cav gc all pins
Thanks for your efforts in this, an awful lot to keep track of!

Randy

kc5vtk at comcast dot net

You're #15 on the list now. Thanks for the reminder.

[41mag]

Throw me on the list for a 4 cavity GC American, all pin options.

41mag (at) peoplepc (dot) com

Thanks

[square butte]

Bump to Top

[lonewelder]

Is it too late to get in?

[square butte]

Pretty sure it's still open. Order away.

[lonewelder]

Thanks but I went with the NOE solid

[BigHoss74]

Put me down for a 4C,GC, American, solid

Bri2906 at aol dot com

[Island Trash]

I would like both a 4 cav plain base and 4 cav gas check. Both with full sets of pins and American sized. Brian.wittmann at g mail dot com

[Dutch4122]

Henry-

Please remove me from this group buy. I am #12 on the list.

Thank you,

[HenryC460]

The list is updated.

I probably owe some explaining where I have been. Other than just plain crazy busy, I was finding it hard to keep two group buys on similar moulds going (list jumping and what not). Right now, this is the only 311440 going. You now have my undivided attention.

H. C.

[HenryC460]

Update:

I've asked Miha if we can close this buy. I'll let you all know what I hear.

[Greg]

Henry-

why not leave the buy open until Miha is ready to cut them ?

[HenryC460]

Henry-

why not leave the buy open until Miha is ready to cut them ?

It will be open until he's ready to cut them. He will generally say, when he's ready to cut them, "Close the buy." I'd just like it to be at that stage :wink:, so I'm asking if we can proceed with cutting and closing.

I hope nobody thinks this is rushing it too much. We've had this going since before last February, if you count the 15 people who signed up during the discussion phase. I'm starting to get more concerned with people maintaining interest than with signing up more people. In any case, there are probably 3 or 4 more who are waiting for Last Call so that they don't sit around on the list so long. That's what generally seems to happen.

[Greg]

HenryC460

I’m number 16 on the list…

I want a 2 cavity, GC - SOLID - .312 diameter mould

kratzner at charter dot net

thanks for updating this

[HenryC460]

HenryC460

I’m number 16 on the list…

I want a 2 cavity, GC - SOLID - .312 diameter mould

kratzner at charter dot net

thanks for updating this

I've got you fixed up.

[Shakey Jakey]

Henry, I've got to back out on this one. Sorry

[dragon813gt]

Please add me for a 4 cavity 312 GC Solid. dragon813gt at yahoo dot com


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[HenryC460]

Please add me for a 4 cavity 312 GC Solid. dragon813gt at yahoo dot com


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You're #12.

[cast-n-blast]

hoover0588 at aol dot com 4C GC No HP

[HenryC460]

hoover0588 at aol dot com 4C GC No HP

You're in. #32.

[chrisw]

aww heck, my 30/30 is hungry...

chrisw . . . . . cwillis at mail dot com 2C, GC, all pins (Deep, Shallow and Blank IIRC) drilled for temp probe if possible

[HenryC460]

aww heck, my 30/30 is hungry...

chrisw . . . . . cwillis at mail dot com 2C, GC, all pins (Deep, Shallow and Blank IIRC) drilled for temp probe if possible

You're #43. I'll PM Miha and ask him about drilling the mould. I know Swede Nelson does this, but Swede Nelson also sells the temperature probes, and Miha doesn't. If Miha can't drill it, Swede Nelson will send you a drill bit that's the right size for his temperature probes.

[BigHoss74]

I'm number 40 on the list can you change it from solid to all pins please?

[bfuller14]

HenryC460,
Could I get in on this GB?
I am wanting a 2-C, PB with all pins.

Thank you,
Barry

[BigHoss74]

Please take me off the list for this group buy. I was given a mold for my 30-30 and no longer have the need for this mold.

[HenryC460]

HenryC460,
Could I get in on this GB?
I am wanting a 2-C, PB with all pins.

Thank you,
Barry

Sure, can you provide a masked email address?

[bfuller14]

Thank you HenryC460,
bfuller one nine six one at sbcglobal dot net

[sisterjim]

I"d like a 4C GC .312 HP with all pins. Thank you sisterjim at hotmaildotcom

[HenryC460]

I"d like a 4C GC .312 HP with all pins. Thank you sisterjim at hotmaildotcom

You are #40.

[sisterjim]

Thank you.

[square butte]

Henry, This is probably not the best place to ask this - but - Did we ever do a .360-440 version of this boolit? I think at would be a doosey. Maybe in the 200 - 225 grain range. Perhaps I should ask this quetion in a new thread.

[Shakey Jakey]

I'de like a 2 cavity .312 GC Solid putzieataoldotkom Thanks

[Dannix]

Henry, This is probably not the best place to ask this - but - Did we ever do a .360-440 version of this boolit? I think at would be a doosey. Maybe in the 200 - 225 grain range. Perhaps I should ask this quetion in a new thread.
Yeah, that would really require its own thread in the group buy discussion subforum.

[HenryC460]

Jake, you're #45.

[HenryC460]

LAST CALL! Miha says This buy is going to be on the machine later this week. Sign up by Friday morning, or wish you did.

[chrisw]

#43- can you bump me to 4c, all else the same :-)


me and my 94 are excited!

THANK YOU!

[HenryC460]

Got it Chris.

[HenryC460]

Closed.

[chrisw]

Got it Chris.

Thank you!

[harley45]

Anybody get an email for payment yet?

[Dannix]

Anybody get an email for payment yet?
Not yet.

[sisterjim]

Did my email for payment get pushed into the junk?

[harley45]

i havent gotten mine yet either

[Dannix]

It appears Miha is running a bit behind schedule.

[marten]

No email received.

[sisterjim]

Thank you for your replies. I am resigned to wait. Didn't want to leave an invoice dangling that's all. Regards JIM

[marten]

Closed 18th Jan, now 8th March. Can someone please explain what is happening?

[Three-Fifty-Seven]

you ...

[marten]

Thank you for taking the time to explain, appreciate it!

[NYBushBro]

What is the E.T.A. of these molds? Has anyone received an invoice? Just curious....

[dragon813gt]

Any updates on this one?

[RJM52]

Also please update my email address:

vitalsupplynh at gmail dot com

Thanks...Bob

[Beau Cassidy]

Is it me or did I never get an invoice for this mold?

[dragon813gt]

You aren't the only one. Three other GBs I'm part of closed way after this one and I already received one of them. I'm hoping this one will be done soon.

[marten]

LAST CALL! Miha says This buy is going to be on the machine later this week. Sign up by Friday morning, or wish you did.
4 months later...and???

[RoyEllis]

4 months later...and???

JMHO here, but I'd be asking for some info after 4 months with no word and the GB honcho hasn't been on the boards since 5/12/2013. Just seems something may have went wrong somewhere.....

[dragon813gt]

Miha was having issues w/ some rifle cherries. I'm assuming this was one of them. He has shipped some rifle molds recently so I'm hoping this one will be done soon.

[square butte]

Looks like at the very least, there may be a problem with HenryC460. Has anyone tried a PM to him?

[square butte]

Henry, my email address has changed. The new one disguised is as follows: victory at vermontel dot net Thanks

[sisterjim]

Patience required on all parts. The reputation of the moldmaker is more established than most of ours. No doubt there has been a problem of some sort which is taking time to sort out, it is clear that Miha is not wasting his time on internet but getting ahead with some of the many other molds we have dreamed up. I look forward to a mold with wrinkles ironed out.

[Dannix]

I'm looking forward to this little sledgehammer. :mrgreen:

[castalott]

If there is any way, I need an extra mold just like the one I have ordered. A friend likes this design..... If I can't increase my order to 'two', please put me on the extras list for another....Thank You! Dale

[square butte]

Usually when Miha makes up a group buy mold - There are some over order molds available - if you let him know - he may have one available after all orders are filled.

[NYBushBro]

Any news on this (or any other) MP mold group buys?

[midnight]

I don't know about this GB but Miha will begin shipping the 311410 GB next week. Apparently Miha is alive and well.

Bob

[MiHec]

As we speak I'm machining the blocks ;)
1st phase.

[shangrila]

Hi Miha, any updates on this one?

[MiHec]

81696 81697

I need to assemble and pack them. Invoices will be out in a day or two.

IMPORTANT!!!!!

I mess up a bit and I did not machine any solid molds :oops: :oops: :oops:

[ballistim]

Got excited when I saw MiHec post, thought it might be for extras like on some of the other group buys.I'll just keep circling around like a vulture... ;-)

[ballistim]

Never mind, just got return PM from MiHec and am getting an extra! Thanks for running this group buy, read the OP and I too saw this first in the Lyman book and thought about how well HBWC's in my 38 Special whacked jack rabbits in the desert & wondered what these would do on medium & small game where I live now. I'll have this and several other new ones to cast & load and try in several rifles. It's a tough job, but someone's gotta do it! :-)

[dragon813gt]

IMPORTANT!!!!!

I mess up a bit and I did not machine any solid molds :oops: :oops: :oops:

So does this mean I get a hollowpoint for the price of a solid?

[castalott]

I mess up a bit and I did not machine any solid molds :oops: :oops: :oops:[/QUOTE]

Well, welcome to my world Miha! We have a saying in the oilfield here,,,"A man who does nothing wrong is a man who does nothing!

Oh, Please remember that I want 2 molds. We talked about this earlier so please bill me for two molds.

[NYBushBro]

81696 81697

I need to assemble and pack them. Invoices will be out in a day or two.

IMPORTANT!!!!!

I mess up a bit and I did not machine any solid molds :oops: :oops: :oops:

Will the pins reverse to make FN boolits????? If so, that is what I wanted.

[45 2.1]

Will the pins reverse to make FN boolits?????

In the past, that is what he has done. If that is not possible, he has included blank pins gratis. At least that is what has happened on previous GBs.

[marten]

No sign of any invoice...

[dragon813gt]

So what is going to be done about pricing for those that wanted a solid mold?

[MiHec]

PayPals are out!!!

If you missing one please PM me here.

Solid pins are included (in this mold pins are non reversible, so set of blank pins is included)

[ballistim]

Got my invoice & paid. Thanks Miha!

[gmsharps]

Mines paid

gmsharps

[marten]

Paid mine this morning.

[SP5315]

Paypal payment sent this morning. Thank you Miha for adding me to this group buy.

[bwgdog]

Paid this morning.

[Valley Forge]

Haven't received my invoice yet. PM to Miha on it's way.

[Bert2368]

Got a PayPal request, paid today.

Now, if only the 6.5 mm cruise missile notification would come out...

[MostlyOnThePaper]

Got a PayPal request, paid today.

Now, if only the 6.5 mm cruise missile notification would come out... X2 on the Cruise Missile
Notice recieved and payment sent.

[NYBushBro]

Paypal sent yesterday.

[Valley Forge]

Invoice received and Paypal has been paid.

[marten]

Estimated despatch?

[Dannix]

Invoice received and paid.

marten,
You should have indeed gotten an email invoice by this point, I would suspect, if you are on the list. You may want to check your spam folder if you haven't already.

[marten]

Paid on 23rd, was wanting info re despatch of the moulds or do I have to wait another 18 months for info?

[gmsharps]

From the time I pay with paypal I usually have my mold in 10 days or so in the US. Not sure what it would be in the UK but he ships rather quickly after payment is received.

gmsharps

[marten]

OK thanks, the lack of communication is really not very useful.

[Beagle333]

10 days is the norm for me too. I think he boxes em up, then invoices, then ships as soon as you pay.
I only got 3 glorious days to go!!!!:bigsmyl2: I'm gettin' antsy! [smilie=w:

[MiHec]

10 days is the norm for me too. I think he boxes em up, then invoices, then ships as soon as you pay.
I only got 3 glorious days to go!!!!:bigsmyl2: I'm gettin' antsy! [smilie=w:


I send out paypals when I have molds ready to ship (assembled, boxed)

[midnight]

Guess I'll get mine a little later than the rest of you. Just got back from a long duck hunting trip today and found the week old Paypal invoice from Miha and paid it. Hope he didn't sell mine to somebody else.:kidding:

Bob

[MostlyOnThePaper]

Guess I'll get mine a little later than the rest of you. Just got back from a long duck hunting trip today and found the week old Paypal invoice from Miha and paid it. Hope he didn't sell mine to somebody else.:kidding:

Bob

Long duck hunting trip this early? I am completely envious.

Randy

[midnight]

For some reason the Northern zone in Wisconsin opened on 9-21. Beats me why but at least the woodies and teal havn't left yet. Got to hunt with one of my sons and my grandson. We even got some ducks.

Bob

[square butte]

Mine arrived in todays mail. Looks great.

[bwgdog]

Mine arrived today --------------

[SP5315]

Turned up in the mail today. Thanks to everyone involved for making this mold happen.

[Valley Forge]

Thanks 45 2.1, HenryC460 and Miha for the mold that arrived today.

[dagunnut]

Mine arrived today and it looks outstanding as always.

[ballistim]

Got mine today too! 3 MP molds in one week, feels like Christmas!

[gmsharps]

I talked to the wife last night and she said I received another box from Slovenia. I'll get to see it aroung the Christmas time frame but I'm sure it is as fine as all of the others.

gmsharps

[dragon813gt]

I swear I have the worst Post Office. I got the pink "sorry we missed you slip" yesterday. I was not able to read the handwriting for the package number so I could not schedule a redelivery online. So now I'm hoping that the post office is able to read the handwriting so they deliver the right package. And I'm also hoping that they stop at my house to pick the slip up. They like to not stop everyday for some reason.

[marten]

Arrived without 'dished pins' only flat and HP - Not impressed.

[Beagle333]

I like it! I'm not good at casting the rifle boolits yet, but I think they'll shoot! :D
http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt214/shutupandjump/cast%20boolits/440001_zpsa53e77d7.jpg

[MostlyOnThePaper]

Got mine a couple days ago, looking forward to trying it out, not sure when that'll be tho... Mihec sure makes a pretty mold.

Randy

[dragon813gt]

Mine arrived yesterday so here is a bad pic of a beautiful mold ;)
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/dragon813gt/TimeToMakeAmmo/3BB16418-3D5F-4125-827B-9F31F679435F-7658-00000758F48EC205_zpsac223504.jpg

[NYBushBro]

I like it! I'm not good at casting the rifle boolits yet, but I think they'll shoot! :D
http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt214/shutupandjump/cast%20boolits/440001_zpsa53e77d7.jpg

SWEET! Wonder whether they will cycle in an SKS... ?

[marten]

Dished pins.

Miha's reply -

Ahhhhhhhh...........
I never machine them.
Do you have 2 or 4 cav mold?

Anyone care to have a bash at deciphering that message?

[square butte]

He did not make any and wants to know how many cavities your mold has. My guess is that he is trying to figure the number of pins he needs to make to satisfy those who want the dished pins.

[marten]

Well Miha did PM a reply with 'I will try to make some'.

I would suggest anyone who actually wanted the dished pins as offered in the group buy either send Miha a PM or post here.

[Greg]

Miha

Although I originally asked for a solid mould, I would like to purchase a set of cup point pins for the 2 cavity mould that I have.

If you have some cup point pins made for this mould I will purchase 2


kratzner (at) charter (dot) net

[shangrila]

Actually, I'd like the dished pins too. Two cavity, American diameter, unluckyone at mail city dot com. Thanks.

[sisterjim]

84531
I'm ready to go in my Ballard cut Marlin 336 with these HP's. The rain is stopping the job just now. I contacted MiHa about the cup pins as I'd like to get around 1800fps and reckon the deep pins will fragment. He said that he would see what he can do. The mold is of high quality and casts like a dream after an hour breaking it in. Thank you to all the workers on this my first ( not last ) group buy.JIM

[NYBushBro]

I'd like two of the 'cup' pins too for my 2-cavity mold.

[square butte]

I would like 2 dished pins for my 2 cavity mold as per my PM to Miha. I'd be happy to pay for them.

[Beagle333]

If some dish pins are available, I'd love a set for my 2 cav, American! (and will pay for them!)
shutupandjump at yahQQ dot cQM

[marten]

Well, no apparent movement on the pins. Shame as I would really like to use this mould - I hope that we do not have to wait another year and a half for the missing pins... :groner: