Boomer's 434640-GC Group Buy Is Here!

[Boomer Mikey]

The Lyman 429640 is my favorite 44 caliber cast bullet.

This is the bullet I compare all other 44 caliber bullets to and If I could have only one 44 mold this is the one I would keep.

Lyman stopped making this mold some years ago and it has a reputation of being one of the best 44 caliber bullets ever designed. The original bullet worked well but lacked lube capacity and was tempermental to size without sizing one side more than the other, making it necessary to size the bullet nose first defore applying a gas check and lubing.

45 2.1 has addressed these issues in his design of an improved version of the 429640 and specified it to have a .434" as cast diameter from a Lee Custom 6 Cavity Mold.

Two versions of this bullet are available, Plain Base and Gas Check versions.

Both boolits: weigh about 290 gr. ready to load, are about 0.800" long, have a meplat of 0.300"with meplat to crimp groove distance of 0.400", have essentially the same lube capacity and are spec'd to have a 0.434"as cast diameter. They were matched very closely so that they should shoot to the same sight settings.

Link to the feeler thread for this Group Buy: http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=13487

This buy is for the Gas Check Version.

The 434640-GC is available in the Group Buy Management System website, please place your orders there. Payment via personal check, money order or PayPal (add $5.00 for PayPal processing). Cost for a Lee 6 Cavity Custom Mold is the usual $50.00 and $10.00 to cover S&H in CONUS in addition to providing our boolet designer, 45 2.1 with a mold for his design work and the production drawing for submission to Lee Precision.

This buy will close on April 14th at midnight Pacific time.

PayPal payments should be made to: michaelaber@hotmail.com

Create a login to the GBMS site and follow the instructions, print the invoice with my address on it, and mail your payment with a copy. The system keeps track of how many are ordered, who you are, your display name, your address and who has paid and who has not.

http://groupbuys.dnsalias.com/

If you need help, or have problems, contact felix or wiljen.

I'll post the usual Zip Code list of payments received as well as updating the GBMS payments field.

We allready have orders for 17 molds.

Thanks Guys! I hope you enjoy this Boolit as much as I have,

Boomer :Fire:


Pictures of the original bullet and a thumbnail of the improved bullet with increased lube capacity

[Boomer Mikey]

Moderators, please make this thread a sticky.

Boomer :Fire:

[hicard]

I'm in, need your info for payment. Are you going to use the GB site?

[Poohgyrr]

He is. It just saved me from making a double order.. :roll:

[hicard]

Yah, John, I just checked and see I already ordered and paid for this mold. This is getting so confusing. Sure is a great looking bullet. Caught my attention twice.

[Boomer Mikey]

Aw, come on guys, I'm getting two. You're going to wish you did! :mrgreen: :-D


434640-GC Group Buy Payments Received from:


1. 62801
2. 94591
3. 94591
4. K4A4A4
5. 16057
6. 64093
7. 96055
8. 91106
9. 42701
10. 85650
11. 95815
12. T6K2K6
13. 44099
14. 48092


A very good start!

Thanks guys!


Boomer :Fire:

[Boomer Mikey]

I received drawings for the 434640's :lovebooli today from 45 2.1.

They are excellent!

Good job boolit designer!


This is a great website with lots of good cast bullet articles like these:
http://www.lasc.us/Fryxell444Marlin.htm
http://www.lasc.us/FryxellMarlin1894.htm


Boomer :Fire:

[Poohgyrr]

I like that .44 round. :drinks:

[Boomer Mikey]

434640-GC Group Buy Payments Received from:


1. 62801
2. 94591
3. 94591
4. K4A4A4
5. 16057
6. 64093
7. 96055
8. 91106
9. 42701
10. 85650
11. 95815
12. T6K2K6
13. 44099
14. 48092
15. 99336
16. 49862
17. 44099
18. 16125
19. 80906
20. 45327
21. 79084
22. 78413


Looking good on this one!


Thanks Guys,

Boomer :Fire:

[Poohgyrr]

The Lyman 429640 is my favorite 44 caliber cast bullet. Pictures of the original bullet and a thumbnail of the improved bullet with increased lube capacity

I don't have a .444 Marlin, but that .44 Mag round looks great.....................

[Mack Heath]

Hey Boomer,

I already ordered one and sent you the money (44099). I am ordering a second and will put the payment in the mail tomorrow. The order website does not allow updaing an order once it has been paid. They say we have to contact the honcho directly to change anything.

How many have been ordered so far?

Mack Heath

[Boomer Mikey]

Hey Boomer,

I already ordered one and sent you the money (44099). I am ordering a second and will put the payment in the mail tomorrow. The order website does not allow updaing an order once it has been paid. They say we have to contact the honcho directly to change anything.

How many have been ordered so far?

Mack Heath

There are 18 orders on the GBMS and I've received payment for 13 so far. Your extra order brings the total to 19 and 3 more from me and 45 2.1 for a total of 22.

Last call will be issued on the 1st of April and I'll close the buy on the 14th.

No worries, you'll see your zip code posted on the payments received list twice confirming my reciept of your second order and payment.

Thanks,

Boomer :Fire:

[ron brooks]

Got the MO mailed of to you today.

Ron Brooks
79084

[Aaron]

Boomer funds sent via Paypal

Thanks

Aaron

[Boomer Mikey]

Boomer funds sent via Paypal

Thanks

Aaron

Posted before your post, 80906.

I'm a quick draw honcho!

Boomer :Fire:

[Aaron]

Boomer, email sent

Aaron

[WKAYE]

Boomer,
Money Order sent today. Thanks again. :-D

[MDF99]

payment sent

[Johnch]

A check will be in the mail Monday

Can a guy have to many moulds for the 44 mag ?????????? [smilie=1: [smilie=1:

Johnch

[Boomer Mikey]

434640-GC Group Buy Payments Received from:


1. 62801
2. 94591
3. 94591
4. K4A 4A4
5. 16057
6. 64093
7. 96055
8. 91106
9. 42701
10. 85650
11. 95815
12. T6K2K6
13. 44099
14. 48092
15. 99336
16. 49862
17. 44099
18. 16125
19. 80906
20. 45327
21. 79084
22. 78413
23. 72525
24. 77345
25. 67060
26. E5J2A3
27. 43445
28. 37803
29. 96055

Doing great guys!

Thanks,

Boomer :Fire:

[warf73]

I'm in but not sending money til next week.

Warf

[neerb]

One more ordered on the group buy site. Dave (neerb)

[Thin Man]

Boomer Mikey, please add me to your order list. I have just placed the order on the web site and will get to the post office today (Saturday), just hope they are open for your required postmark. Thank you.

Thin Man

[Boomer Mikey]

I don't add names to the list until I have cold, hard, checks, money orders, or PayPal funds in my account. I could do cash too, but no one has been that brave yet.

Things are rough out here in the wild west, the stagecoach Jeep brings the mail and the tele-graph wires me news of PayPal deposits on hand but I gotta use satellites to posts these there group buys. Wal-Mart's urban sprawl is out of control here but I'm ready to defend myself and our cast boolit ways at our old west cowboy matches and long range silhouette matches to keep them-thair steel animals under control soose they don't eat all them-thair wine grapes.

That's why they call me,

Boomer Mikey :Fire:

[Boomer Mikey]

This buy is closing April 21st!

I'll accept PayPal payments for this buy until midnight April 21st, and the order is going to Lee on the 23rd.


434640-GC Group Buy Payments Received from:


1. 62801
2. 94591
3. 94591
4. K4A 4A4
5. 16057
6. 64093
7. 96055
8. 91106
9. 42701
10. 85650
11. 95815
12. T6K2K6
13. 44099
14. 48092
15. 99336
16. 49862
17. 44099
18. 16125
19. 80906
20. 45327
21. 79084
22. 78413
23. 72525
24. 77345
25. 67060
26. E5J2A3
27. 43445
28. 96055
29. 37803
30. 46307
31. 98294
32. 49331


This appears to be the final list.

Thanks guys, this should be a great boolit!

Boomer :Fire:

[AaronE]

Quick question...if I order a PB and a GC is the shipping combined?

Thanks,

Aaron (stuck in the Land of the Rising Sun)

[Boomer Mikey]

Quick question...if I order a PB and a GC is the shipping combined?

Thanks,

Aaron (stuck in the Land of the Rising Sun)

If you want to wait until both molds come in, you can save $3.00 on combined shipping. These are two different mold orders, they won't be shipped from Lee at the same time. Most guys don't want to wait.

Remember to add $5.00 if you use PayPal for your payment, you will save $5.00 here by combining two orders in one transaction.

Boomer :Fire:

[AaronE]

whoops...already paid...I'll get the other $5 to you ASAP...PM me please.

[fivegunner]

I am in on this group buy, I just paid by paypal . sorry I am so late to order, thank you for this group buy.:Fire: best regards Frank

[Boomer Mikey]

Due to a family emergency I didn't get the checks deposited until yesterday, so Ive extended the PayPal deadline to get in on this buy until the 21st.

This has been a great success,

Thanks to all of you we're at 32 molds!


Boomer :Fire:

[happy7]

This is probably a newbie type question, but where do we find lube sizer dies (lyman) for this bullet? Lyman only makes up to a 431.

[Boomer Mikey]

This is probably a newbie type question, but where do we find lube sizer dies (lyman) for this bullet? Lyman only makes up to a 431.

The real question is what size do YOU need?

There are many oversize 44's out there. I got involved with this Cast Boolits board because I purchased two LSI Puma M92 1892 lever action rifles and discovered that they had 0.433" groove diameter barrels and couldn't find any production molds that produced bullets big enough to prevent leading in these two rifles at Cowboy Action Shooting velocities.

0.434" boolits are easy to size down to any of the smaller size 44's with the appropriate sizing die but if you need larger than 0.4315" or 0.432" just about the only way to get these is one of the custom molds from the group buys section of this site.

You can get oversize sizer dies from Buffalo Arms:http://www.buffaloarms.com/

and Stillwell Tool and Die: http://www.sizingdie.com/index.htm

Buckshot can open up an existing die for you too and his work is excellent.

Be aware that even though the sizing die says 0.431" and measures 0.431" inside; boolits will actually be larger due to "springback" of the metal. The amount of springback will depend on how hard the alloy is and how much you size a boolit. A 0.4345" boolit will spring back more when sized to 0.431" than when it is sized to 0.434".

As a general rule, size revolver boolits for a snug fit in the exit holes of the cylinder. If your bullet has an ogive like this bullet does; size as large as will chamber in the cylinder reliably. For rifles, size for a snug fit in the chamber... the largest diameter you can chamber reliably regardless of bore and groove diameter. In some cases this will require a larger than stock "M" or case expansion die to prevent shaving lead from the boolit while seating. With snug fitting cases and boolits a profile crimp will improve reliability.

Boomer :Fire:

[happy7]

Boomer, Thank you for your very informative answer. I was mainly getting this mold for a Marlin 1894 in 44 mag that I have. I had understood that these rifles require a bullet in this size range. But I hope it will also shoot well out of my Redhawk. I realize that not all these rifles are the same, but considering the cost of these custom sizing dies, if anyone can give me a tip on which to buy first for my rifle I would be greatful.

[Boomer Mikey]

Boomer, I was mainly getting this mold for a Marlin 1894 in 44 mag. But I hope it will also shoot well out of my Redhawk. I realize that not all these rifles are the same, but considering the cost of these custom sizing dies, if anyone can give me a tip on which to buy first for my rifle I would be greatful.

The first thing you should do is measure the groove diameter of both your Marlin 1894 and Redhawk then measure the exit holes of your Redhawk's cylinder and make an impact cast of the 1894's chamber & throat. How to do this is listed in other Cast Boolits threads. If this is over and above your comfort level then size your bullets with a 0.431" sizer die as most 1894's and Redhawks will work fine with boolits this large. (I wish I had known this long ago!)

Your Marlin 1894 has a 1:38" twist rate barrel and the Redhawk has a 1:20" twist rate barrel. This buy is for a 290 grain boolit; it will stabilize fine in your Redhawk but may not be stable with light loads in your 1894.

This mold is an improved version of the 285 grain Lyman 429640 GC-FP mold which is no longer available.

This excellent article should answer some of your questions and provide more understanding. http://www.lasc.us/FryxellMarlin1894.htm

Boomer :Fire:

[Poohgyrr]

Sure is a great looking bullet. Caught my attention twice.

Boomer's pic of the loaded mgnum round is saved on my desktop.....

Looks good.

[Boomer Mikey]

Boomer's pic of the loaded mgnum round is saved on my desktop.....

Looks good.

Hey John, you must really like that picture. If you want a copy of the full size image I'll e-mail it to you.

Boomer :Fire:

[Poohgyrr]

Boomer,

That'd be great. I would appreciate it, thanks!

:drinks:

[Boomer Mikey]

This buy is closed!

There are still a few Money Orders in the mail but this was a great success!

Thanks guys!


Boomer :Fire:

[Andy_P]

A very well run buy. Thank you for your efforts and leadership.

[Poohgyrr]

Yup, what Andy said!


:cbpour:

[Boomer Mikey]

This is the final list.

434640-GC Group Buy Payments Received from: #


1. 62801
2. 94591
3. 94591
4. K4A 4A4
5. 16057
6. 64093
7. 96055
8. 91106
9. 42701
10. 85650
11. 95815
12. T6K2K6
13. 44099
14. 48092
15. 99336
16. 49862
17. 44099
18. 16125
19. 80906
20. 45327
21. 79084
22. 78413
23. 72525
24. 77345
25. 67060
26. E5J2A3
27. 43445
28. 96055
29. 37803
30. 46307
31. 98294
32. 49331
33. 61554


Thanks for a good group buy guys, now we hurry up and wait!

Boomer :Fire:

[Boomer Mikey]

I mailed this order to Lee Precision today.

Thanks everyone,

Boomer :Fire:

[MakeMineA10mm]

I feel so guilty for being the tail-end-charlie on the list... :groner:

But HEY, at least I'm there!!! [smilie=w:

Thank you so much, Boomer for Honcho-duties and conceptualizing this one! This is gonna be one GREAT bullet!

With Lee's wait estimates, we're probably looking at what, next year??? :roll:

(Worth the wait, regardless.)

[Poohgyrr]

Sounds good. waiting for the 44 gatorchecks, and my Winchester is right here.


:drinks:

[Boomer Mikey]

I just got a letter from Patrick Klessig at Lee Precision sating the following:

“Mr. Aber,

Thank you for choosing Lee Precision for your custom bullet mold project. We can make the mold directly from the dimensioned drawing sent. Our only concern is that all involved understand that we do not make custom molds to cast to a specific diameter or weight. We make the mold cavity to the dimensions on the drawing. It is up to the mold designer to determine the correct mold cavity dimensions to compensate for shrink and weight.


At your service,



Patrick Klessig”

The drawing submitted to Lee indicated a final desired size of 0.434" and instructions to compensate for shrinkage biased upon WW metal and the amount.

It appears that Lee no longer wants to assume responsibility for their own calculated measurements or use their past experience to produce a product of a desired size. We must give them a minimum cavity size in a block of aluminum and they will make the cavity within their specified tolerance range of -0.0"/+0.003".

Shrinkage of WW metal at this diameter is between -0.0008" and -0.0009".

I can live with 0.001” or 0.002” over 0.434” because of my need for 0.434” bullets but I’m sure most of you guys want to size 0.432” or less (my standard size for the rest of my 44’s). Yes, this was my special deal but it’s hard to size a 0.437” bullet to 0.432” or less. If I change the diameter to 0.432” and we get 0.432” cavities WW metal will produce 0.4312” bullets. Adding tin will get us back to 0.432” and if they cut them 0.003” over 0.432” we’ll get 0.4342” bullets with WW metal and 0.435” bullets with tin in the pot which is fine for my needs.

The last two group buy 44 molds I received were over the 0.434" size desired (0.437" and 0.436"). This is just a good guess on my part as how to proceed.

If I leave the existing 0.434" minimum diameter specification in place and Lee Precision makes the mold cavities 0.003" over 0.434" (within their specifications) we'll get 0.437" diameter bullets...

There are 30 more people besides me in this buy; does a 0.432" minimum cavity diameter meet your expectations too?



Boomer :Fire:

[Andy_P]

I understood from the outset that there are machining tolerances, that differences in alloy affect final diameter, and that I can size down a few thou.

I can live with a 0.432" minimum cavity diameter.

[WKAYE]

Boomer,
I'll be sizing to .431 , so .437 would be too large for me. [smilie=1:

[Oldeyes]

I am hoping for a mold that drops 'em out at .435 or even bigger for a pair of Swiss rifles with bores that size. If the molds are smaller, well, I've got other toys that will use the boolits so I can go either way altho I will still be needing the oversized fodder. Maybe beagling will work?

[happy7]

I would be happier with .432 than .434

[Glen]

I would prefer .432" over .435".

[garandsrus]

.432 works for me....

John

[Mack Heath]

Mike,

I can live with the 0.432 minimum. I was hoping for a little larger since I have a large throat Smith, but .432 will be passible.

Mack

[MakeMineA10mm]

.432" works better for me. If they wind up at .435, I can size 'em down a couple thousandths. If they're .437" I'll have a hard time using them, other than in my Marlins...

[Boomer Mikey]

.432" works better for me. If they wind up at .435, I can size 'em down a couple thousandths. If they're .437" I'll have a hard time using them, other than in my Marlins...

Based upon recent orders we should get molds with cavities between 0.434" and 0.435" with a 0.432" minimum specification.

I don't want 0.436"- 0.437" boolits either, but like I said, this is my best guess to obtain usefull molds for most of us with this great design.

Thanks,

Boomer :Fire:

[Boomer Mikey]

OK guys,

I called Patrick Klessig at Lee Precision this morning and changed the bullet mold cavity diameter values to be no smaller than 0.432" and no larger than 0.435". These values satisfied their requirements for production.

Current production times are 90-100 days.

Boomer :Fire:

[MakeMineA10mm]

Current production times are 90-100 days.

Boomer :Fire:

Oh the agony of patience!!!!!

Thanks again, Mike, for dreaming this one up and getting it running!

I'm already getting things ready to mould a few of these when it arrives. I'm gonna have to retreive some lead from storage!

[Bigscot]

Boomer,

I could not make up my mind on this gb as there were several others I also interested in. If you have any extras after shipping them out I would like to put my name on one. Or if anyone has changed their mind and does not want it now, I would be glad to take off their hands.

Thanks,

Bigscot

[Boomer Mikey]

At the rate Lee is moving backwards in production I might know if will I have any extras by Christmas. I think I ordered a few extras but I won't know how many until a month or so after I ship them.

Your post puts you first in line for extras Bigscot.

Boomer :Fire:

[IcerUSA]

Boomer, if you will, I would like to be put on that list for an extra mold also, just got a 444 Marlin and that is a nice looking boolit :) Thanks, Keith

[warf73]

If the mold comes in and casts at .432” I will be selling mine.

I got into this buy with the understanding of a .434" bullet dropped from the mold.


45 2.1 has addressed these issues in his design of an improved version of the 429640 and specified it to have a .434" as cast diameter from a Lee Custom 6 Cavity Mold.


Both boolits: weigh about 290 gr. ready to load, are about 0.800" long, have a meplat of 0.300"with meplat to crimp groove distance of 0.400", have essentially the same lube capacity and are spec'd to have a 0.434"as cast diameter. They were matched very closely so that they should shoot to the same sight settings.

I have a 445SM that has a bore of .4355” I figured I could get the extra .0015” from my heat/alloy combo; I think I’ll have a hell of time getting this bullet to grow .0035”. But you never know.



As stated if it does drop .432” and I can't get my intended dai. there will be an extra mold for sale.

Warf

[hunter64]

When this group buy finally comes in I think I will remove the GC's from 4 of the bullets. I don't have a 444 marlin or a lever in .44 mag, just revolvers and you don't need the added expense of checks for a .44 revolver. I thought that when I do find a .444 marlin then the 2 I left with checks will be enough to keep me happy.

[Boomer Mikey]

I finally got around to casting some bullets with the Lyman 429640 Hollow Point mold I got from Midsouth last spring. These molds are current Lyman prodiction items. I was impressed with the quality of the mold and how consistent the bullets are but this single cavity mold is a time consuming deal.

I cast these yesterday at 825 degrees with 50/50 WW/LINO. The pot needed to run hot to keep the hollow point pin hot enough to let the nose fill out. These dropped at 0.433" and I sized them to 0.432".

They weigh 266 grains with the gatorcheck, these are air cooled at BHN 15. I consider 265 grain bullets an ideal weight for the 44 Magnum. At 1600 + fps from my Marlin 1894SS these should be a perfect combination of expansion and penetration.

As you can see, the original and the hollow point are identical. The 429640 original bullet weighs 283 grains from the same alloy.

These group buy molds should be here any time now.

Boomer :Fire:

[Andy_P]

When this group buy finally comes in I think I will remove the GC's from 4 of the bullets. I don't have a 444 marlin or a lever in .44 mag, just revolvers and you don't need the added expense of checks for a .44 revolver. I thought that when I do find a .444 marlin then the 2 I left with checks will be enough to keep me happy.

That's a good idea I think I'll copy. I'd also like to copy your method. :wink:

How do you propose to do it? Open up the base of the mold with a 7/16" drill and then size off the excess?

[Lloyd Smale]

Mikey it looks like your hollow point is tapped with threads! Sure look pretty though. I do think you may be casting them a little hard though. I shot a buffalo about a month ago with that bullet and it was cast out of 5050 #2/pure. One bullet went behind the front shoulder and apperantely lost it nose ( im guess due to internal damage and finding small pieces of lead) the base did penetrate completely though. The buffalo took off running and i took a second shot that was poorly placed and just clipped the top of his hump. It only had to penetrate about 3 inches where i hit it and i found small pieces of lead there too. Im guess it lost its nose too. My opinion is that even as i casted it the bullet was to hard. I think if i did it again id go to a 2/3s pure 1/3 ww mix with some tin to make it hold together a little better. By the way the velocity was about 1200 fps and the range was about 60 yards. Granted this was a torchure test of this bullet design. But it did show that it has a major tendency to loose its nose due to fracturing. It seemed to act like a nos. partition and at the low velocitys a handgun is using id like to see it maintain a little more weight for penetration. I guess to a point im nit picking as it did kill the buffalo and did it well and the properly placed slug did come out the far side but i just wouldnt want to rely on it doing it every time. Or doing it if it hit major bones. What you end up with is about a 200 grain wadcutter that has slowed drastically do the the expansion and loss of its nose. I think a little less brittle alloy and or a little less speed would make it perform better.

[hunter64]

Andy: Yes basically what you said, just slightly bigger or right on the diameter as close as you can get. I did it with a .38spl mold I had and it turned out perfect. If you don't feel comfortable doing it then Buckshot can do it for you for a small fee and it will quickly pay itself off in not having to use gas checks for slower velocity rounds.

[MakeMineA10mm]

Obviously, Lyman is using the extra-large pin that they started using with their "Devastator Hollow Points" with this HP mould. That is one HUGE opening in the meplat.

Boomer,
You say this is still cataloged by Lyman? I may have to get that to compliment my Group Buy mould from you for this bullet. Those are some beautiful loaded rounds!

[GLL]

Boomer:

BEAUTIFUL photos of great looking bullets !

I find this Lyman HP mould to be very user friendly.

I look forward to getting both your Group Buy versions as well ! :)

Jerry

[Poohgyrr]

Mikey it looks like your hollow point is tapped with threads!

That is for use with catsneeze loads in places where silencers are not allowed...



[smilie=1:

[Boomer Mikey]

There were two full boxes of 429640-GC molds sitting on the porch today. I opened up a dozen boxes and they look pretty good... the usual burrs and rough block edges but the cavities look well centered - none were offset. I'll cast some of these this week and see how good they are.

Stay tuned...

Boomer :Fire:

[Boomer Mikey]

Mikey it looks like your hollow point is tapped with threads!


I guess that means anything shot with one of these is "screwed".

Boomer :Fire:

[hunter64]

Great news. Almost exactly 6 month's to the day from mailing the check to receiving the molds. Hope everything is ok with them.

[2 dogs]

This one and the plain base version are the ones I have been waiting on! I seem to shoot more 44's than anything else....

[Boomer Mikey]

I rushed to cast a few of these this morning... very few; maybe 10 before I had to go to work.

About 270 grains using my 50/50 WW/LINO alloy and 0.434" - 0.435". With the gatorcheck they were 278 grains.

The bullet in the picture isn't a good one... there was still some oil in the mold. This new version sized to 0.431" easily without distortion in an RCBS lubrisizer with a Lyman H&I 0.431 sizer die. My alloy produces bullets at mold cavity size so WW alloy bullets should be 0.434" or less. The mold cavities are exactly the size I wanted.

These look like winners to me but I want to cast a pile of them before I ship the molds.

Boomer :Fire:

Thumbnails: Original Lyman 429640-GC, New Cast Boolits 429640-GC.

[2 dogs]

Man that looks perfect! Just in time for South Texas casting season!!!

I just bought a Gallagher custom 44 yesterday so this is some great timing!

[warf73]

Great looking bullet I'm ready to load some up and see how well they group out of my 445SM.

[ron brooks]

Great news. Thanks a lot for your efforts on our behalf.

Ron

[MakeMineA10mm]

My 444 Marlin is darn-near salivating!

[2 dogs]

Any updates?

[EDK]

Do you have any extras of this for sale? I know I'm late. But since I got lucky with another group buy that way, I'll ask. No problem if you don't.
After no overtime all summer, there's been an opportunity to work extra---and that's where my "books, guns and gear" money comes from. (59 years old and still on an allowance!)

Thanks and enjoy that fine lookin' mould :castmine: :Fire:

[LGS]

Boomer, can you tell me when you are going to shipping. Looking forward to trying this out.

[LGS]

Boomer, can you tell me when you are going to be shipping. Looking forward to trying this out.

[Boomer Mikey]

Sorry guys,

I'm out of town, I'll try to get these out on Monday the 19th.

Boomer :Fire:

[2 dogs]

Thank you Boomer, I had a feeling you were tied up......Im glad to hear it is nothing serious. Will be standing by for the mold anxiously and want to thank you for your efforts!

[Mack Heath]

Boomer,

How about an update? Did the molds go out on Monday?

Mack

[hicard]

Boomer must be out of town again?

[happy7]

Boomer,

I sure hope everything is ok with you. Any chance of an idea when you might be able to ship.

[Boomer Mikey]

:razz: This fly by night industry president shipped your molds this morning... all of them. :groner: Wow!, the customers behind me were real upset!

Sorry for the delay, I've been laid up with hip/back mobility issues. :violin:

I'm doing/feeling pretty good... the best I've been in 6 months now. Thank you for your concern; but, you're not getting rid of me that easily.

Enjoy,

Boomer :Fire:

[Lloyd Smale]

great news and thanks a ton for doing this one pal.

[happy7]

Excellent! Thanks a lot. I really appreciate all you work on it.

[MakeMineA10mm]

Woo Hoo!!!!!!! Thanks Boomer. Looking forward to casting some of these!:drinks:

Hope your back and hip feel even better than before.

[WKAYE]

:-D Thanks a lot Boomer. Can't wait to get my grubby paws on this one as I've just picked up an XLR in 444. Wish I'd had the foresight to get in on the 330 gr. mould. I thought it would be too heavy for my 44 Mag.
Here's to you :drinks:

[2 dogs]

Boomer, I was worried about you. I hope you get to feeling better. Thanks, I appreciate your doing this while you were feeling under the weather.

[GLL]

Boomer:

My mould arrived today in good order !

It has much nicer machining than I have seen from LEE lately and casts smoothly.

Thank you for your efforts !

Jerry

[hicard]

Boomer:

I got my moulds and cast/sized some. They look beautiful. Hope you are feeling well and thank you for this group buy. hicard 96055

[Poohgyrr]

:razz: " fly by night industry " :Fire:



Was waiting for me when Ii got home last night.

Thanks!



:drinks:

[Lloyd Smale]

mines here thanks a ton boomer!!

[LGS]

I am still impatiently waiting.:groner:

[MakeMineA10mm]

I haven't gotten mine yet either, and I'm closer to the left coast than you. :razz: [smilie=s:


It's only been five days... I don't think he shipped them priority mail, so I'm betting they will be here in a couple more days... Monday/Tuesday-ish...

[hunter64]

Hey, don't complain. I live in Canada and USPS works great to the border and then comes to a screeching hault in customs and sits there for awhile before going on to be delivered. I have seen one of the customs clearing warehouses and the last seen from "Raiders of the Lost Ark" where the guy is sealing the Ark in the box and pushing it in the warehouse, I swear that they just shot that seen in the warehouse I was in.

I would be totally surprised if my mold shows up before I ring in the NEW YEAR.

[Andy_P]

Hey, don't complain. I live in Canada and .......

Me too. I was patient with Lee, am grateful for the efforts of Boomer with the GB, and didn't expect him to drop everything to ship it out immediately. I certainly don't hold him responsible for USPS, the Canadian Border and Canada Post service during the busiest shipping month in years. It'll arrive when it arrives.

[fivegunner]

me too! can`t wait to get the mold and cast up a bunch, it will get here when it get;s here. Thank,s Boomer.:Fire:

[MDF99]

Mould showed up looking great, thank you Sir.

[Lloyd Smale]

casted about 500 of these today. Sure is a good casting lee mold and makes a great looking bullet. Very simular to my 280lfngc lbt mold. If it shoots as well as that one its going to be a real winner!!

[WKAYE]

That's good to hear Lloyd . What do they weigh ? 50/50 alloy ?

[Lloyd Smale]

alloy was a hodge podge alloy that was in the pot that should be close to #2 and they came out of the mold before sizing and checking at 270 grain so should go about 275 ready to fly.

[WKAYE]

Thanks Lloyd. I was hoping for closer to 300 , but 275 will make a nice deer bullet.

[Lloyd Smale]

its probably about the most versitile weight for an all around 44 bullet. Looks like its got enough nose on it to give pretty good case capacity if used as a heavy for the 44 special too. Id like to see someone try to run one in a marlin 94 though to see if the nose is short enough for that. Im to layed up right now to do it.

[Boomer Mikey]

its probably about the most versitile weight for an all around 44 bullet. Looks like its got enough nose on it to give pretty good case capacity if used as a heavy for the 44 special too. Id like to see someone try to run one in a marlin 94 though to see if the nose is short enough for that. Im to layed up right now to do it.


Lloyd is correct,

265-275 grain bullets in 44's have the best velocity/case capacity ratio. These will feed fine in the 94's. I modified the carrier in my Marlin 1894SS to feed these crimped in the crimp groove and can reach 1800 fps with normal pressure signs easily. I won't say how far you can go but you should use a stronger action like the Winchester for anything higher.

Mine are going 285 grains with Gatorcheck using 50/50 ww/lino.

This bullet IMO is the best 44 available for the lever guns and large frame revolvers. (I'm sure Ranch Dog fans would disagree) My Marlin 444 loves it crimped slightly over the ogive with a full case of H322. Nothing can hide from this level of power out to 200 yards.

Boomer :Fire:

[Mack Heath]

Boomer,

Mine arrived today. They look beautiful. I am happy. Many thanks for running this.

Mack

[Clyde]

Mine arrived today and looks fine. Thank You Boomer!

Clyde 64093

[happy7]

Mine also arrived today. Thanks a lot for doing this one, Boomer.

72525

[warf73]

Mine showed up today also looks sweet.

I would love to see this bullet in the 300-310gr range. I think that would be a very devastating round out of my 445SM at 2000fps, would work great on deer and hogs to 200 yards.


Warf

[Lloyd Smale]

my alloy must be a tad harder then i figured.
Lloyd is correct,

265-275 grain bullets in 44's have the best velocity/case capacity ratio. These will feed fine in the 94's. I modified the carrier in my Marlin 1894SS to feed these crimped in the crimp groove and can reach 1800 fps with normal pressure signs easily. I won't say how far you can go but you should use a stronger action like the Winchester for anything higher.

Mine are going 285 grains with Gatorcheck using 50/50 ww/lino.

This bullet IMO is the best 44 available for the lever guns and large frame revolvers. (I'm sure Ranch Dog fans would disagree) My Marlin 444 loves it crimped slightly over the ogive with a full case of H322. Nothing can hide from this level of power out to 200 yards.

Boomer :Fire:

[Boomer Mikey]

Mine showed up today also looks sweet.

I would love to see this bullet in the 300-310gr range. I think that would be a very devastating round out of my 445SM at 2000fps, would work great on deer and hogs to 200 yards.


Warf

You must have wrists as big as a tree trunk! :razz:

After shooting 100 test loads with the 434640-GC at maximum levels in my 744VH10. I can't see a personal requirement for the 445SM. The long cylinder in DW's permits seating big bullets in the crimp groove resulting in generous case capacity making the 280-290 grain bullets the best weight/velocity ratio. IMO after you shoot some of these at full case capacity in a 445SM you may be a very happy camper but the 330 grain bullet may be the best bullet weight/velocity ratio for the DW445SM.

I love the big bores too... the 434330-GC is coming!!!! [smilie=w:

Too much of a good thing? I seriously doubt it,

Boomer :Fire:

[MakeMineA10mm]

alloy was a hodge podge alloy that was in the pot that should be close to #2 and they came out of the mold before sizing and checking at 270 grain so should go about 275 ready to fly.

Lloyd,
I don't know what the Gator Checks weigh, but the Hornady .430" gas checks I have on my bench at the moment go 7.6grs apiece. I'm ASSuming that Boomer had also lubed the bullet (although I put on GCs in a separate step with a GC seater, so it's not necessarily true), so that could add another few grains.

Still, I'd say your alloy is still harder than you expect, since Boomer is using 50/50 lino and WW, which should be pretty "light" compared to, say WW + 1-2% tin, like I use, or even Lyman #2 alloy (though Lyman #2 should be closer to Boomer's alloy than the WWs).

I'll have to wait until Spring probably to cast some up, but I'm guessing with my alloy, I'll get close to 290gr bullets by the time they're ready to load (w/ lube and GC).

Mailman better bring it today, or I'll be crest-fallen... [smilie=1: :mrgreen:

[MakeMineA10mm]

Well, hello Boomer - Didn't even see you were on-line till we posted nearly simultaneously here.

Do you have any Hornady LeveRevolution brass in 444 Marlin? I know I can figure it out for myself once I get some of these bullets in my hand, but I was wondering if you (or someone) knew if the shorter LR brass would allow for crimping in the normal crimp groove on this bullet. (I sure hope so...) Of course, I'll probably just trim it back a little, until it does work, if it's still too long, but it would be nice to save the work...

[Boomer Mikey]

I'll have to wait until Spring probably to cast some up, but I'm guessing with my alloy, I'll get close to 290gr bullets by the time they're ready to load (w/ lube and GC).

My second run with these was with ww/2% tin and they are 290 grains.

Boomer :Fire:

[Boomer Mikey]

Well, hello Boomer - Didn't even see you were on-line till we posted nearly simultaneously here.

Do you have any Hornady LeveRevolution brass in 444 Marlin? I know I can figure it out for myself once I get some of these bullets in my hand, but I was wondering if you (or someone) knew if the shorter LR brass would allow for crimping in the normal crimp groove on this bullet. (I sure hope so...) Of course, I'll probably just trim it back a little, until it does work, if it's still too long, but it would be nice to save the work...

Don't bother trimming the brass, get a LEE factory crimp die.

Seat the bullet where it chambers reliability and use the crimp die to keep it where you want it. The SD numbers improve with this method too.

It gets too confusing with 265's, 280's, 290's, and 330's, to trim the cases; this way all the cases stay the same length.

The 444 is the only cartridge I use the LEE factory crimp die on. I prefer the Redding profile crimp with all other loadings. Marshall Stanton recommended it and I tried it equaling his results.

Enjoy,

Boomer :Fire:

[MakeMineA10mm]

OK Boomer. Already have the Factory Crimp Die, so I'm all set! :drinks:

[LGS]

Got mine yesterday. BOOMER thanks for all your hard work on theis buy.

[MakeMineA10mm]

Mine came today. BEAUTIFUL looking mould. Once I get lead in it, I'll confirm, but just on shear appearance, I'd say Lee has solved their problems.

Mark me down as a happy customer Boomer - 61554

[fivegunner]

Mine did not come today I was a hopeing, well it should be here soon . :Fire:

[2 dogs]

Mine showed up today. Whew! I was worried the mail man was casting himself some bullets with it!

[Johnch]

No love yeat for 43445

I am sure the mule train the post office is using will get it to me sooner or later

John

[Andy_P]

Thought mine came today, but it was the mold I ordered from Mountain Molds in October! 0. 432", 335gr, PB for my Vetterli.

[Boomer Mikey]

Thought mine came today, but it was the mold I ordered from Mountain Molds in October! 0. 432", 335gr, PB for my Vetterli.

Hi Andy,

Your mold and another Canadian order went via first class mail; all the US molds went parcel post. I found it interesting that first class mail to Canada cost less than parcel post to US locations.

You should see your mold tomorrow John, or... ask the mail man if you can buy it back.

Boomer :Fire:

[Oldeyes]

It's here and a beauty!!
Thanks Boomer! Sure wish I had gotten in on the 434330 GC too, I'll be watching for something similar or even a rerun of that one :)

Joe
85650

[Johnch]

You should see your mold tomorrow John, or... ask the mail man if you can buy it back.

Boomer :Fire:

I cast for the mail man

So he makes sure I get the moulds :drinks:

But since he is a 45 cal guy , he may be holding it hostage for a batch of 45 230's

John

[AaronE]

Mine arrived and looks good...unfortunately...I'm heading for Japan Saturday AM and working 12+ hour days untilI go....

Oh Well...maybe between Christmas and New Years.

Aaron

[warf73]

Boomer my 445SM is in a rifle which why I'm expecting such high FPS out of a 300-310gr boolit. Right now I'm getting 1975fps out of a 300gr XTP I see no reason why a 300gr cast bullet can't break the 2k fps range. With my load the rifle shoots like dream recoil isn't a factor what so ever, my 12 year old son loves to shoot it.

PM me when you get ready for the 310gr. GB I'll have a MO ready for ya. If you do this GB maybe we can have it made by NEI so we could have it before 2009.


Warf

[Boomer Mikey]

Boomer my 445SM is in a rifle which why I'm expecting such high FPS out of a 300-310gr boolit. Right now I'm getting 1975fps out of a 300gr XTP I see no reason why a 300gr cast bullet can't break the 2k fps range. With my load the rifle shoots like dream recoil isn't a factor what so ever, my 12 year old son loves to shoot it.

PM me when you get ready for the 310gr. GB I'll have a MO ready for ya. If you do this GB maybe we can have it made by NEI so we could have it before 2009.


Warf

OK Warf,

Now I don't think you're on the wild side.

I think the 445SM would be a great Handi Rifle rifle cartridge but 444 Marlin IMO is a better choice; especially if you re-chamber a 44 Mag barrel to get the throat right.

You should easily reach your goal with the 434640-GC and I suggest you get yourself a Lyman 429640 HP mold... the HP twin of this design. They're still in production.

I don't expect to run any 310's or anything else. If there's enough interest I would consider doing another run of the 434640-GC but I believe this is the only run for the 434330-GC... it took 3 months to get 15 orders. I could be persuaded to do another but you guys would need to "show me the money".

The Ranch Dog TLC432-300-RF and Saeco 433 are more options too.

IMO the Cast Boolits 434640-PB, 434640-GC, 434330-GC, Lyman 429640-HP, and the Ranch Dog TLC432 series have all my 44 needs covered for my rifle and large frame revolver heavy work. The Catshooter Keith 44, Bear Creek 240 SWC, and the excellent C434-210-RF GC and PB designs along with the RCBS 44-245-SWC, 44-250-K, Saeco 430, 431, 432, 433, and Lyman original 429640, 429667, and many other 44 molds too numerous to mention cover the rest of the bases for my 44's.

Of all the molds I own, the 45 2.1 designs have been the most forgiving in producing acceptable results. My favorite 44 bullet... the 429640, 429640-HP, and the excellent Cast Boolits 434640-GC.

If I could have only one, this is the one I would keep.

Boomer :Fire:

[WKAYE]

Boomer,
I couldn't believe it , but my mould arrived this afternoon ! :-D By the way if you have another fit of generosity, you may consider putting your copy of the 434210 RF GC up for auction. :twisted: I'd love to try that cast of babbit in the 444. [smilie=1:
Thanks again for running this GB.

[Andy_P]

Boomer,

434640-GC arrived today. Nice job, and thanks.

I'm one of the few (15) in on the 434330-GC. This is a good indicator of what to expect!

[Boomer Mikey]

Boomer,
By the way if you have another fit of generosity, you may consider putting your copy of the 434210 RF GC up for auction. :twisted: I'd love to try that cast of babbit in the 444. [smilie=1:
Thanks again for running this GB.


Nice try... NO WAY! I only ordered one. :mrgreen:

Enjoy the mold,

Boomer :Fire:

[LET-CA]

Wish I had seen this before the orders ended. I own the Lyman 429640 and the 429640 HP but would love to drop them six at a time. My Lyman moulds drop them out at .4325 when made with a linotype-rich alloy. They're wonderful in my Winchesters chambered in 44 Magnum. These are my favorites (after Ranch Dog's TLC432-285-RF). Enjoy!

[fivegunner]

the mold came today! it look`s great Thank`s Boomer Best Regards Frank McClelland:Fire::castmine:

[no34570]

[QUOTE

I don't expect to run any 310's or anything else. If there's enough interest I would consider doing another run of the 434640-GC but I believe this is the only run for the 434330-GC... it took 3 months to get 15 orders. I could be persuaded to do another but you guys would need to "show me the money".

[/QUOTE]

Boomer
At the moment money is an issue,so I can't bid for the 434640GC on the auction:( ,but if you are willing to do another run with this mould,count me in for sure!:)
Cheers
Dale
no34570:castmine:
P.S. I am in your group buy for the 434330GC can't wait for it to come,any idea how long?[smilie=1:

[Johnch]

43445 arived today

Looks great :drinks:

Just wondered why 429640 -GC is writen on the box ??

John

[Boomer Mikey]

43445 arived today

Looks great :drinks:

Just wondered why 429640 -GC is writen on the box ??

John

This is the official number on the drawing and the number Lee would understand., they would have no 434640 designation in their files.

It's what we ordered though,

Boomer :Fire:

[hunter64]

Mine arrived today in the mail, T6K 2K6. I won't get a chance to try it out till after Christmas but it looks good. Thanks Boomer.

[KYCaster]

Got mine today, 42701. Thanks Mikey.

Jerry

[hunter64]

I have never used a 6 cavity Lee mold before and for sure this is a pleasant surprise. With my 4 cavity Lyman's you had to do alot of prep work to get the bullets to somewhat drop from the mold without having to pound the living daylights out the handles. I spent countless hours "Lee Menting" my Lyman 4 cavities and I actually have one 429421 mold that will drop the bullets with only a slight bang on the handles. Well I fired up the pot and started casting with the Boomer mold and about the 6th mold full it started to drop with no effort at all. I didn't touch this mold at all, I expected to run a few molds full and use the bullets to "Lee Ment" the mold into something useful but I just kept pouring great bullets. Man o man this 6 cavity can drain a pot quick. I went thru my 10 pound pot in no time at all and have a nice little pile of bullets to show for it. They all measure .432 right on the money and I am going to wait till next week and test the hardness and run them thru my luber. If this is the kind of quality that 6 bullet molds come from Lee then to heck with buying anything else, what a pleasure to use.

[GLL]

Now that the dust has settled on this Group Buy does anyone have an extra for sale or trade? I ended up buying two of the 434640-PB versions but none of the GC versions. Anybody want to trade a GC for an extra PB?

Jerry

[Bigscot]

GLL,

You read my mind. I too would be interested in one of these if anyone has an extra. I think I still have an extra RD 285 gc from that GB to trade.