30-06 brass to 7.62x39

[muzzleblastm38]

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[338RemUltraMag]

not possible, x39 brass is a lot smaller in the head area and even has a smaller rim, it will not function in a regular 7.62x39.

[muzzleblastm38]

but they sale a swaging die for it

[Reload3006]

but they sale a swaging die for it

are you talking about making 7.62x39 brass by reforming 30-06 brass? or are you talking about using 30-06 brass to make a jacket for a .310 projectile for your 7.62x39? two different animals.
but as was already said the case head is going to give your some serious problems as its a different size.

[uscra112]

not possible, x39 brass is a lot smaller in the head area and even has a smaller rim, it will not function in a regular 7.62x39.

Well, it is POSSIBLE. (Nothing is impossible to engineers, given sufficient money and time.) I've swaged .223 brass down to a base diameter of .315" to make .25-20 Single Shot, (and by extension the .22 Lovell). It takes a hydraulic press, special tooling over and above the die, and an awful lot of time. And it takes lathe work after the swaging to finalize the base and rim shape. But except for the short time when Jamison International made a run of excellent .25-20SS, there was/is no decent brass to be had, so it was worthwhile to me.

It's easy and cheap to buy perfectly good 7.62x39 brass, so it's hardly cost effective to make it by swaging other brass.

BTW if I absolutely HAD to make 7.62x39, I'd start with .220 Swift if I could get it. I actually considered swaging that to make 7.62x45 at one time, but decided the rifle wasn't worth the trouble.

[muzzleblastm38]

for 7.62x39 brass,the die are 600$,way too much
how many step it's going to take

[deltaenterprizes]

Who makes the dies? Post a link.

[muzzleblastm38]

http://www.huntingtons.com/dies_caseform.html

by rcbs

[richhodg66]

Why would anyone want to do that? 7.62x39 brass is so commonplace on every range I've been to lately that there's no need to waste good .30-06 brass.

[uscra112]

Price doesn't surprise me. First off you have to press the entire case right though a die to reduce the base diameter. That's die number one. Maybe they do it in more than one step, too. However many steps, this crushes the primer pocket, so the tooling set must include a punch that has a pilot to keep the primer pocket from collapsing, and at the same time prevent the rim from becoming too deformed. (I had to learn that when I started making the .25-20SS. Making that punch work is a PITA. I made three or four before I got one to work right.) Then you have to form the body down to 7.62x39 shape, which may require 2, 3, or even 4 dies. Then a trim die. Then tools for reducing the neck wall thickness.

I'd hazard a guess that these date to the mid '60s, when Soviet-bloc arms were rare as hen's teeth - bringbacks by Vietnam vets the only source - and there was NO ammo anywhere to be had. Since this is a custom-order-only die set, there's no cost to keep it in the price list, as long as the drawings aren't lost. Bet they haven't sold one in donkey's years.

[Harter66]

Passable brass can be formed from the 25/30/32/6.8 Remington . The 1st 3 if you have blown necks. Another option is to turn the rims off 30-30 or 32 Win spcl and cut a new groove ,1 step size/form in the sizing die cut the neck trim to length. Its a litte thin but in a pinch it'll load and shoot fine. The 30AR. Might get it done too ..

[nicholst55]

I'd hazard a guess that these date to the mid '60s, when Soviet-bloc arms were rare as hen's teeth - bringbacks by Vietnam vets the only source - and there was NO ammo anywhere to be had. Since this is a custom-order-only die set, there's no cost to keep it in the price list, as long as the drawings aren't lost. Bet they haven't sold one in donkey's years.

Reminds me of the guy who offered to sell me a bringback SKS in the mid-70s at Ft. Campbell, KY. He wanted $125 for it, and said the non-availability of ammo was the reason he wanted to sell it. He had part of a box of Norma 7,62X39 ammo that came with it - that was the $25 part of the price. That was too rich for a young married soldier at that time, so I had to pass on it.

I remember that I wrote to RCBS and asked about forming brass for it. They recommended starting with some equally unobtainable European cartridge at the time - seems like it was 6,5 Mannlicher.

[DukeInFlorida]

You posted this thread in the wrong place. This area deals with the subject of swaging bullets.

Reforming brass to other calibers should be elsewhere.

[deltaenterprizes]

In the mid 80s when I first got my FFL a gentleman asked me to get him some 7.62x39 ammo for a SKS bring back from Vietnam. He was paying $1 a round from a local store. Midway only sold to FFL dealers at that time and his price was $80 per hundred plus shipping.
I would imagine at that time brass was scarce so people wanted to be able to make cases from readily available components and 30'06 etc were the most common available.


Duke, where should this be posted? I posted a question on brass conversion in off topic but I feel brass conversions are on topic to the reloading discussions.

[DukeInFlorida]

This area involves the swaging of bullets

[deltaenterprizes]

Where should it be posted?

[DukeInFlorida]

I dunno. I came up with a thread a week ago or so, and the entire thread was deleted because it was posted in the wrong place. I spent an hour trying to find a proper place for it, and failed.

Was trying to sell an antique telegraph training keyset. Only gun related sales are allowed here.

So, guess your post kinda falls through the cracks.

Maybe under EQUIPMENT?

[MightyThor]

General heading is bullet casting and RELOADING. Sub heading is Swaging, doesn't specify that it be for bullet swaging rather than case forming buy swage process. Seems it is all related to RELOADING so I think this topic, absent a more specific topic ares would fit the headings as shown.

[muzzleblastm38]

where to start,

[o6Patient]

Why would you need to make 7.62x39 out of o6 brass?
There probably has been more 30 Russian loaded than the
'o6. Am I wrong? I am confused what is it we're talking
about. I need more coffee, they say it helps prevent
Alzheimer's, lots of coffee.:coffeecom