How about an H&R Handi-Rifle in .327 Fed. Mag?

[gunfan]

This would be a VERY efficient single-shot rifle and absolutely WONDERFUL for hunting deer. (An 18" barrel is all that's needed for 100-grain bullets and a 16" barrel is even MORE efficient for the 115-grain GDHP loads!)

It outperforms the .32-20 by a decent margin and exhibits better accuracy than the older cartridge ever could. (Look it up on Ballistics By The Inch.com..) The .327 ed. Mag is more versatile, shooting the .32 S&W, .32 S&W Long , .32 H&R Mag and the .327 Fed. Mag. The fact that it is easier to load than the .32 WCF ever was (no variations in case diameter with which to be concerned.)

While the .32-20 is "okay" the consistency of the .327 Fed. Mag. is MUCH better!

The King has been superseded! LONG LIVE THE NEW KING![smilie=w:

[CENTEX BILL]

Got to www.go2gbo.com (Greybeard Outdoors Forum) and scroll down to the H&R rifle section. This is the best place on the net for discussions of the H&R handi rifles. The 327 Federal chambering has been discussed in detail and it is generally thought that there are 2 chances (slim and none) of H&R bringing out this chambering.

However all is not lost as there will be a handi rifle available in 300 Blackout which should fulfill your needs.

Post your question there and you should get good input.

Bill

[Nobade]

I have thought about building one by sleeving an existing barrel. But I have a Marlin 62 chambered for 30 Carbine, and it pretty much does the same thing so I think I'll leave it to somebody else to build.

[lbaize3]

Gunfan, I love my 32-20 and 327fed firearms. However, the 327 can not match the 32-20 when using reloads. But carbide dies are available for the 327, saving lots of time while reloading. Suggest that you go to this site and read about 32-20 loads. It is enlightening to say the least.
http://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/3220wcf.htm

[308w]

I have thought about building one by sleeving an existing barrel. But I have a Marlin 62 chambered for 30 Carbine, and it pretty much does the same thing so I think I'll leave it to somebody else to build.

Nobade, I once had the chance to buy a Marlin 62 in 30 carbine, I had the dollars but was looking for something in the long heavy barrel bolt gun variety at the time.
I have kicked my but for many years for not buying that rifle. In 30 carbine and lead boolits it should be the ticket for small edible game...... 308w

[SquirrelHollow]

Got to www.go2gbo.com (Greybeard Outdoors Forum) and scroll down to the H&R rifle section. This is the best place on the net for discussions of the H&R handi rifles. The 327 Federal chambering has been discussed in detail and it is generally thought that there are 2 chances (slim and none) of H&R bringing out this chambering.

However all is not lost as there will be a handi rifle available in 300 Blackout which should fulfill your needs.

Post your question there and you should get good input.

Bill

...that depends on how you define "fulfilling {our} needs". :)

I give away 90% of the .223 Rem and 5.56 Nato brass I find. I have minimal use for the cartridge. And...

I have 1,600 cases for .327 Federal. I have 750 cases for .32 H&R Mag. I have 150-300 for .32 S&W and .32 S&W Long, each. And, of course, there's a handful of .32 Auto*.
I currently enjoy feeding my Blackhawk and GP100 a healthy, varied diet of those cartridges. (Yes, I own TWO .327s!)
Adding a .300 Blackout Handi Rifle would be unnecessary.
Adding a .327 Federal Handi Rifle would augment my current gear, and be much more fun.

...Not to mention, I could make better use of the Accurate Molds 32-150B bullet.
You also never know what the bore size would be on the Blackout. H&R seems to like over-spec barrels.

(*It has issues in the double action firearms, but .32 Auto usually functions fine in most of the .327 Blackhawks. I size mine with my .327 dies, so it's essentially a ".32 S&W Short". Hey, the commonly misused term actually makes sense here. ;))

I may just have my local 'smith / machinist build a barrel for me.
The small parts are cheap, and easily sourced from H&R/Marlin/Remington. And the barrel lug is very simple. Any confident machinist could machine one quite quickly. He owes me a favor, anyway....

[bowfin]

I don't know why Remington/Marlin/H&R/NEF doesn't put out a Classic limited run every year like Remington used to do with their Model 700s.

Probably because they are overwhelmed trying to put out serviceable standard catalog items in each of those divisions.

However, some calibers that come to mind: .327, .256 Winchester Magnum, 5.7x28mm, .357 Maximum, .32-40, .250 Savage, etc., etc.

[gunfan]

According to Wikepedia:

The .327 Federal provides performance similar to the high velocity rifle loadings of the old .32-20 Winchester, though in much shorter barrel. Similar to the +P cartridges of today, the rifle loadings of these old cartridges were loaded to higher pressures than standard; they were discontinued because they could destroy .32-20 revolvers if fired in them. The .32-20, while long considered obsolete, has lived on in the sport of handgun metallic silhouette shooting, with handloaded rounds from single shot pistols like the Thompson Center Arms Contender far exceeding standard ballistics, and with the growing popularity of Cowboy action shooting, .32-20 lever action rifles are again being made. If chambered in a suitably modified .32-20 rifle, the .327 Federal should provide a significant boost over the .32-20.[10][14]

Another close comparison is the .30 Carbine, which has been offered in Ruger's single action Blackhawk revolver line since 1968.[15] The .30 Carbine was essentially the same ballistically as the .32 Winchester Self Loading, which was itself basically a rimless .32-20. The .327 Federal works at even higher pressure than the .30 Carbine (45,000 vs. 40,000 psi).[11][14] The long, 7½ inch (19 cm) barrel of the .30 Carbine Blackhawk, with suitable loads for a handgun, offers performance levels with similar bullet weights in excess of the factory loaded .327 Federal, along with excellent accuracy. Those who favor the .30 Carbine in a revolver do so due to the excellent accuracy, flat trajectory, and low recoil, all of which the .327 Federal also provides.[16] Both custom gunsmiths working with Ruger small frame single action Single Six and commercial maker Freedom Arms began offering conversions to convert .32 H&R revolvers to .327 Federal by early 2008. Test results from the long barreled guns showed even higher velocities than the .30 Carbine, along with excellent accuracy.[17] It is quite possible the .327 Federal will be offered in a lever action carbine, though no specific models have been publicly announced."

I didn't write this.

Scott

[TJF1]

I love the 327 have 3 pistols and about to have
marlin 94 32h&r mag rechambered to 327

[Nobade]

Nobade, I once had the chance to buy a Marlin 62 in 30 carbine, I had the dollars but was looking for something in the long heavy barrel bolt gun variety at the time.
I have kicked my but for many years for not buying that rifle. In 30 carbine and lead boolits it should be the ticket for small edible game...... 308w

You're right about that. And with my newly hollow pointed #311410 cast from 20:1 and paper patched, then loaded over all the Lil' Gun that will fit in the case it's good for small and larger non edible game too. It makes for quite a powerful little rifle.

[olafhardt]

Couldn't you just get a. 327 mag chamber adapter for a 30/30?

[Rafe Covington]

Don't know if you have a TC or not, MGM is chambering barrels in 327 mag. I have the BH revolver, thinking about a 20 TC barrel.

Rafe

[SquirrelHollow]

Couldn't you just get a. 327 mag chamber adapter for a 30/30?

It's not the same. Plus... you have to manually extract the .327 case from the adapter. That's much more of a pain in the butt, than it sounds.
I also wouldn't like firing .312" projectiles in a 45,000 psi cartridge, with a compromised chamber and a .308" barrel.

[rockrat]

I for one, would love to see a yearly "classic" NEF rifle. How about a 25-20,256win (since they would have .257" barrels), then a 32-20, a 327 (would buy that one), and a 357Max (keep the throat reasonable) and a 38-40!!

Would love a 20" barreled 300 Blackout too!!

[fcvan]

+1 on a 38-40 in a classic carbine. I have a classic carbine in 45 Colt and love it. I have a Vaquero in 38-40/40 S&W and love it. I either need a Vaquero in 45 Colt or a Classic Carbine in 38-40. Naw, I want both! Frank

[mroliver77]

You could send an NEF barrel off to Jess and have it bored and chambered to .327 Federal. I am not sure what their .22 or .22mag barrels are made of but for cast even a fairly soft barrel would be fine. The Hornet barrel should clean up for .32 also.

[excess650]

You could send an NEF barrel off to Jess and have it bored and chambered to .327 Federal. I am not sure what their .22 or .22mag barrels are made of but for cast even a fairly soft barrel would be fine. The Hornet barrel should clean up for .32 also.

I don't see that he offers anything smaller than .338".

IF Browning/Winchester would offer the 1885 Low Wall in more chamberings, I think it would be ideal. While it isn't a switch barrel, its a real rifle action and capable of handling the pressure.

[Rio Grande]

I don't understand NEF. They should be able to offer fully interchangeable barrels in a variety of calibers/gages.
I work in manufacturing, it can be done.
Come on NEF, kick it into high gear. Get out of the box.

[leftiye]

R.G. Now there's a comment that I've heard before. There probly wouldn't be a T/C corp. if H&R had always had interchangeable barrels. There probly would still be an H&R corp separate from Remchester if H&R barrels were made with deeper grooves, quality control and sane twists.

Got any H&R barrels that don't shoot or that you don't like? Cut them off in front of the straight section with the locking lug, bore out the stub and thread. Then sit around and go crazy forever trying to find a good .306/.312 barrel with 16 or 18 twist to rebarrel with. Green Mtn. has a 1 in 22 twist barrel.

As for reboring/rifling, you might get Bob Hoyt to open a hornet or other barrel up to .32 for you. If you can get in touch with him that is.

[BAGTIC]

I have an older H&R .22 Hornet that was rebored to .32 H&R Magnum when that first came out. Reboring costs far more than a new barrel would cost.

Personally I think .327 is a little too light for deer hunting. If I were going the rebore route I would use a bigger case that would offer more power but still be loaded down for small game hunting. .30-357 Magnum or .30-357 Maximum would be a better choice.

[olafhardt]

A 30/357 maximum? Great idea! You could load a 150-170 grain boolit over about 30 grains of a medium rifle powder or a soft point over the same and have great deer gun! You might get a decent plinker with 10 grains of unique. Sorry I just had to. The 30/30 handy rifle is nice.

[725]

Now, I would buy an H&R in .32-40. Would be a natural pairing. What an accurate cartridge.

[0verkill]

There's a lot of chamberings I'd buy in a Handi, 327 being one of them. I never understood why H&R didn't make one in at least 32 H&R Magnum, it's their cartridge. Or it was about 3 corporate incarnations ago.

[canyon-ghost]

This would be a VERY efficient single-shot rifle and absolutely WONDERFUL for hunting deer. (An 18" barrel is all that's needed for 100-grain bullets and a 16" barrel is even MORE efficient for the 115-grain GDHP loads!)

It outperforms the .32-20 by a decent margin and exhibits better accuracy than the older cartridge ever could. (Look it up on Ballistics By The Inch.com..) The .327 ed. Mag is more versatile, shooting the .32 S&W, .32 S&W Long , .32 H&R Mag and the .327 Fed. Mag. The fact that it is easier to load than the .32 WCF ever was (no variations in case diameter with which to be concerned.)

While the .32-20 is "okay" the consistency of the .327 Fed. Mag. is MUCH better!

The King has been superseded! LONG LIVE THE NEW KING!


http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx228/3rdshooter/32-20WCF005.jpg

Really? How about some proof? That's 100 meters with 98 grain bullet from a 10" barrel! How about putting your money where your mouth is?

[leftiye]

Hate ta irritate anyone you know, but both the carbine and the 327 run at pressures about 15000 psi higher than the 32-20 does. I'm assuming about 28000 for the 32-20. Correctme if I am wrong. The 327 factory are supposed to be about 44000, and the Carbine can be ran to 50000 in some weapons (Rubber blackhawg and some rifles). The principle of the .458 winchester applies - even a smaller ctg can outperform a significantly larger ctg that runs at a reduced pressure.

That being said, I have all three, and don't have a favorite. And FWIW, they all get too destructive on small game much past 1500 fps..

[nanuk]

A 30/357 maximum? Great idea! You could load a 150-170 grain boolit over about 30 grains of a medium rifle powder or a soft point over the same and have great deer gun! You might get a decent plinker with 10 grains of unique. Sorry I just had to. The 30/30 handy rifle is nice.

but a 30/30 ain't a 30/357, or a 30/223....

Where would you be spending all your money???

but then I have always wanted a long necked 9.1x39

[SquirrelHollow]

Really? How about some proof? That's 100 meters with 98 grain bullet from a 10" barrel! How about putting your money where your mouth is?

Send me the funds to scope my Blackhawk, so it'll be an even playing field, and I'll take you up on that.

As far as I'm concerned, they're both just as capable as the other.

The only real differences are case capacity and pressure rating. (And pressure rating is something you can almost ignore with that TC, so you can potentially be operating in .32-20 +P territory.)

[Markbo]

....I give away 90% of the .223 Rem and 5.56 Nato brass I find. I have minimal use for the cartridge. ....

I'll take some when you get some more! I have a maximal use for it! I'll pay the shipping!

[BAGTIC]

There's a lot of chamberings I'd buy in a Handi, 327 being one of them. I never understood why H&R didn't make one in at least 32 H&R Magnum, it's their cartridge. Or it was about 3 corporate incarnations ago.

The H&R company that introduced the .32 H&R cartridge went bankrupt. Its successor is trying to not follow in the same footsteps.

[BAGTIC]

Hate ta irritate anyone you know, but both the carbine and the 327 run at pressures about 15000 psi higher than the 32-20 does. I'm assuming about 28000 for the 32-20. Correctme if I am wrong. The 327 factory are supposed to be about 44000, and the Carbine can be ran to 50000 in some weapons (Rubber blackhawg and some rifles). The principle of the .458 winchester applies - even a smaller ctg can outperform a significantly larger ctg that runs at a reduced pressure.

That being said, I have all three, and don't have a favorite. And FWIW, they all get too destructive on small game much past 1500 fps..

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Quickload gives pressure limts for 32-20 as 30,458 psi and the .327 as 33,359 psi.

As for what some guns can do it is possible to run pressures up as high as one is foolish enough to do or until the guns fails with any cartridge. As high as a 32.20 can be safely loaded a .327 should take at least as much pressure in the same gun as the .327 brass is stronger and the head size smaller.

It is time for a modern replacement for both the .25-20 and .32-20 as compared to modern case designs they are unnecessarily thin and weak. A modern case would be better for reloading. Something like the .256 Winchester and one of the many 30-357 designs would be good candidates but I doubt we will ever see it because of resistance from the nostalgia section of the peanut gallery.

[45-70 Chevroner]

Gunfan: I don't know if you can even get an H&R in 30 Carbine but it will out perform the 327 Federal any day of the week and use a heavier boolit to boot. I shot a deer one year, a long time ago with a 30 carbine I won't talk about the rest of the story. If it was all I had and I was hungry I would do it again but it is not a deer cartridge and niether is the 327 Fed. Mag.

[hunter2]

They all went up $60 or so on everything that was to be delivered after march 1 st. Along with everything else...

[Swampman]

The .327 Fed mag is dead. Too many problems with the guns at those pressures.

[singleshot]

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Quickload gives pressure limts for 32-20 as 30,458 psi and the .327 as 33,359 psi.

As for what some guns can do it is possible to run pressures up as high as one is foolish enough to do or until the guns fails with any cartridge. As high as a 32.20 can be safely loaded a .327 should take at least as much pressure in the same gun as the .327 brass is stronger and the head size smaller.

It is time for a modern replacement for both the .25-20 and .32-20 as compared to modern case designs they are unnecessarily thin and weak. A modern case would be better for reloading. Something like the .256 Winchester and one of the many 30-357 designs would be good candidates but I doubt we will ever see it because of resistance from the nostalgia section of the peanut gallery.

Actually, the 327 Fed runs at 43000 psi plus depending on the firearm. In a 1894 or mod 92 firearm, 45000 psi would be no problem, same for h&r or TC break-action. Hodgdon lists loads to 43000 psi.

[leftiye]

Thanks SS, Now I don't have to feel foolish. (actually tweren't no problem anyhow - I've been feeling cold a lot lately, I can use some flaming).

[MT Gianni]

The .327 Fed mag is dead. Too many problems with the guns at those pressures.

In Taurus guns which anyone should have expected. The Rugers, who introduced the cartridge, are still running strong.

[mo_bio]

You could do a 7-30 waters in a handi instead of a 30/357. This has already been done a bunch by some over at greybeard. I like the idea of a .327 in a handi. My ideal handi would be a 260, 6.8, or a 6,5 gren. Any would be fun to shoot.