Gabby Gifford

[troyboy]

God Bless that woman. I just watched her say the pledge Allegiance. Her smile is something to see. What happened to the Idiot that hurt all the innocents?

[Reload3006]

he is in a mental hospital in springfield missouri area being force fed meds so they can try him.

[gew98]

While what you say is all good and well. Consider this... she's still being paid for a job she cannot perform ... at taxpayers expense. And being she is in congress the uber awesome health plan covers it all ...again on our dime.
Then look at lord barky's latest "chief of staff" since the corrupt Daley is jumping ship. Yeah you guessed it another financial insider whom made his bank huge profits from bettign against mortgage holders in the recent mortgage bust.

[MtGun44]

Not an idiot. Insane. However, I have no problem with either permanent (really permanent,
as in no possibility of parole, ever, any way) imprisonment or excution. The world is full of
people. We cannot afford to coddle the dangerous few and let them get a second chance
to hurt or kill the normal ones. It is not complex at all. Protect the innocent from the
violent ones.

Bill

[firefly1957]

Insane or not they should have a self serve noose in his cell just in case he wishes to save the tax payers a lot of money.

[starmac]

I'm not sure where her being paid or her health care on our dime is a problem.
Actually she is still doing as good a job as most in the same position anyway.

[MtGun44]

Better. Never shows. No damage.

Bill

[markinalpine]

he is in a mental hospital in springfield missouri area being force fed meds so they can try him.

I don't doubt you, but why Missouri? He was from and committed his crime in Arizona.

Mark :veryconfu

[Echo]

Court ordered him to that federal (I believe) hospital. He is crazy.

She is my congressperson, so right now I am not represented in Congress. I wish Gabby all the very best, wish she could make a complete recovery, but know she cannot.

That being said, I voted against her every chance I got - she voted however Nancy P. told her to, save for border and firearms issues. In my estimation, she was a very poor representative for the people of SE AZ. I hope she decides not to run for re-election - but I do think she is a nice person. I know several folks that go way back with her, and they are full of positive comments about her. And they are Rep politicians.

[ErikO]

Just taking her story as a private citizen, she's very inspirational. And she's done less damage in Congress than many other Represenatives. ;) Honestly, the progress she's shown over the last year is very moving.

Jared Laughner can fall off the face of the planet as far as I am concerned. He's not evil, he's damaged goods. For him it's not capital punishment its euthinasia.

[Reload3006]

I don't doubt you, but why Missouri? He was from and committed his crime in Arizona.

Mark :veryconfu

Because as another poster said its a federal hospital for the criminally insane. I am from Missouri and it made me nauseated when I heard they were shipping him here.
I am a staunch Conservative Republican and make no apologies for it. But no one should be shot for the political beliefs. My prayers are with the Giffords.

[JJC]

I am a staunch Conservative Republican and make no apologies for it. But no one should be shot for the political beliefs. My prayers are with the Giffords.[/QUOTE]

We show value of a human life, liberals think other wise. What would have been said, spun if a conservative was shot after standing up for the second amendment? He probably deserved it in thier minds. Hope she makes a complete recovery.

[MtGun44]

Apparently, and maybe a mental health pro will comment or correct me, it is not particularly
uncommon for males at about 20-22 years old to just trip out into schizophenia. Some sort
of chemical imbalance. Basically they go off the rails and are broken. I don't know what
percentage get violent, but apparently some do like this guy.

IMO, the point is to protect the innocents, not maximize the wonderfulness of the life of
a dangerous, proven violent, broken person. If he spends the rest of his years in a
cage, that is fine with me, as long as I don't have to read about him killing someone else
in the future because some soft hearted and soft headed fools decided he was "cured".

Sorry, all my compassion is for the victims, zero left over for the perp.

Bill

[ErikO]

We show value of a human life, liberals think other wise. What would have been said, spun if a conservative was shot after standing up for the second amendment? He probably deserved it in thier minds. Hope she makes a complete recovery.

It's unfortunate whenever anyone that is not breaking a law gets shot no matter what their political bent is. My usual caveat does apply, I unfortunately do not speak for all Liberals.

I feel bad for criminals that break the law and get killed but I feel far worse for the ones that killed them or the victems of the criminal. I feel that anyone through hard work and luck can improve their position in life but I also don't think that today's society is breeding new members of the top 5% wealthwise who were not already born into that group.

Life isn't fair and life isn't always good but I feel that is so that we can keep perspective and not loose sight of what is good in our lives. That is what I have learned from Mrs Gifford's struggle to get herself back to where she was 12 months and two days ago.

[Simonpie]

While what you say is all good and well. Consider this... she's still being paid for a job she cannot perform ... at taxpayers expense. And being she is in congress the uber awesome health plan covers it all ...again on our dime.


Are you advocating the government buy insurance that DOESN'T pay up when you have a claim? That's just bizarre.

Or are you saying that people who get shot in the head shouldn't get medical care because they can't get out and earn it anymore?

[ErikO]

Apparently, and maybe a mental health pro will comment or correct me, it is not particularly
uncommon for males at about 20-22 years old to just trip out into schizophenia. Some sort
of chemical imbalance. Basically they go off the rails and are broken. I don't know what
percentage get violent, but apparently some do like this guy.

IMO, the point is to protect the innocents, not maximize the wonderfulness of the life of
a dangerous, proven violent, broken person. If he spends the rest of his years in a
cage, that is fine with me, as long as I don't have to read about him killing someone else
in the future because some soft heated and soft headed fools decided he was "cured".

Sorry, all my compassion is for the victims, zero left over for the perp.

Bill

Schitzophrenia does not tend to expose itself until after the person suffering from it finishes puberty from what I can recall from Abnormal Psyche. It is a full-on chemical imbalance that can be managed through a proper regimen of drug therapy and counciling.

I have a little compassion for Loughner. I don't want him to linger before he passes at the hands of AZ's executioners. Mad dogs get destroied so their suffering stops.

[gew98]

Are you advocating the government buy insurance that DOESN'T pay up when you have a claim? That's just bizarre.

Or are you saying that people who get shot in the head shouldn't get medical care because they can't get out and earn it anymore?

I advocate removing her from politics . It strikes me as her being selfish by not stepping down for the sake of her health and family. Read whatever else into this you want. Gov't is too big and spending way too much .

[Echo]

... but I also don't think that today's society is breeding new members of the top 5% wealthwise who were not already born into that group.



I believe not. I am fairly sure that MOST of the folks in the 95th percentile of income did it themselves, and didn't inherit. (I didn't inherit, or do it myself, but I'm OK with that)

[Echo]

I feel bad for criminals that break the law and get killed but I feel far worse for the ones that killed them

Not me - it is too bad when anyone dies, but to feel sorry for a perp who gets killed during the crime is misplaced. The perp is the one who chose the criminal path, and we all, as free persons, have the freedom to protect ourselves, and do what we can to make the bad guy stop. If he dies in the process, TS. As for the ones who killed him, they will have something to live with - well, actually, a couple of things to live with. One - right, they killed someone, and that is traumatic, and will last a long time. But, Two - they saved someone from death, or grievous harm, from an uncaring perp. Two outweighs One.

[Ickisrulz]

Not me - it is too bad when anyone dies, but to feel sorry for a perp who gets killed during the crime is misplaced. The perp is the one who chose the criminal path, and we all, as free persons, have the freedom to protect ourselves, and do what we can to make the bad guy stop. If he dies in the process, TS. As for the ones who killed him, they will have something to live with - well, actually, a couple of things to live with. One - right, they killed someone, and that is traumatic, and will last a long time. But, Two - they saved someone from death, or grievous harm, from an uncaring perp. Two outweighs One.

It is tragic anytime anyone chooses the wrong path in life; especially a path that leads to destroying others as well as themselves. Human life is precious and has so much potential. This doesn’t mean criminals aren’t responsible for their behavior. They have to pay for their crimes and in many cases must be removed from this earth to make the remainder of us safer.

[Russel Nash]

schizophrenia is like a hot button buzzword that the media likes to label people with.

when most people think "schizophrenia", they almost always immediately think of multiple personalities and Sybil.

schizophrenia is not multiple personalities.

when any mental illness, well probably the big three or depression, bipolar, and schizophrenia, gets severe enough a "psychosis" develops and the symptoms overlap.

Loughner could get seen by 6 different head shrinkers and they could come up with 6 different diagnoses.

as someone already mentioned, schizophrenia is considered to be caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain, especially of the neuro-transmitter dopamine.

research has shown schizophrenics tend to be born in the winter months or early spring, and that the mothers get a cold during their pregancies. in the southern hemispheres where the seasons are reversed, the same trend appears to continue.

anywhooo....enough with the abnormal psych/psychopathology lesson...

If Loughner were euthanized, I wouldn't loose any sleep over it.

[Russel Nash]

I don't know how he was transported from Arizona to Springfield, MO, but could you imagine being one of the guards or U.S. Marshalls escorting him back. If it was a drive, Uggh...that would be one creepy ride. :-?

The head shrinkers rely on this book called the DSM. The latest version I have on the shelf is #4. DSM I think stands for "diagnostic and statistical manual".

I don't think there is a diagnosis for not having a soul.

Or just plan being evil.

[starmac]

Long drive..... duct tape is your friend.

[Mumblypeg]

Long drive..... duct tape is your friend.

Is it OK to put it over the mouth and nose?

[armoredman]

Been there done that, you learn to tune it out. Work a sex offender yard sometime, there's some seriously odd ducks there, too.
Umm, no, can't use duct tape, spit mask is the best you can do, and it muffles nothing. Hope you get a cage van with an actual partition between the front and back AND it has a working AM/FM radio the last guys didn't bust the knobs of because they were bored.

[starmac]

In I think 76 a body was discovered in a well and pretty much every available leo responded, as well as a lot of other folks. It wasn't too long until someone recognized a guy that had been convicted of robbing a convenience store and raping and killing a friend of mines sister walking around. This was in a small rural county in nm. When a leo was asked about it, his answer was yea that is him, he might try to make a break. It turns out that the officer that was transporting him to the state prison had responded. To every ones disappointment he didn't try to get away.