CH4D 105 swage die or ?

[FWest]

I'm looking at getting into swageing and wondering if this die would be a good start. I have to call and see whats in stock at CH. I understand they are taking a break from making these to catch up on other things. Is another brand worth looking at ? I want to use a standard reloading press but not tie up hundreds of dollars in tools to get a taste of this hobby.

Thanks, FWest

[Reload3006]

CH4D is the least expensive. If he has them in stock its the way to go to wet your whistle. There is a guy on Ebay that makes a set of dies like the 105 for $145. I believe that was the last price I have seen. I have not used those dies nor do I know of anyone who has I cannot vouch for their quality. Dr. Larry Blackmon makes dies From a company called Bullet Swaging Supply. And BT Sniper on here makes Reloading press dies. You didnt say what caliber you are wanting to make so its hard to steer you in a direction. .224 BT and Kane are going to be the least expensive for reloading press I believe. and D Corbin makes .224 reloading press dies but are close to 800 a set. Lots to chew on take your time and weigh all your options. there are pluses and minuses with each choice. Happy Loading Happy Shootn

[DukeInFlorida]

FWest,

Sorry that we didn't get to link up a couple of weeks ago.

I'm equally sorry that as I prepare for moving, my entire reloading room is currently packed in crates. I would have otherwise been delighted to show you my BT Sniper die set for making 44 mag bullets out of .40 S&W cases. I run that in my RCBS RockChucker press. They make amazing bullets, and the dies were very reasonable. The bullets are the exact equivalent of Hornady XTP hollow points, including the notched edges of the nose.

Seek out the BT Sniper sticky at the top of the swaging section, and take a look at what he does, and what the results look like.

BT Sniper has a bunch of different calibers in the works.

[FWest]

Thanks for the information. 35 cal would be a good place to start.
Could I use the same dies to make bullets for 357, 38 and 35 Rem ?
It would be nice to be able to use some spent brass for jackets.
I have been reading at the Ammosmith fourm and watching his videos, smart and resourceful guy. I have also read BT snipers posts about his tooling which I find very interesting.

Duke, no big deal about the meeting and thanks for your input.

[DukeInFlorida]

Techinally, the 38 specials and 357 magnum uses a .357 diameter bullet, while the 35 remington uses a .358 diameter bullet.

As long as either your 35 remington is able to use bullets .001" smaller, or your handguns in 38 special and 357 magnum are able to use bullets .001" larger, you could go either way. However, the die set makes one specific diameter, and it's not adjustable. However, the weight of a bullet, within a specific diameter, is adjustable, depending on what you use for a core and a jacket.

Typically, you use a brass case smaller in diameter than what you want to end up with, and swage the bullet diameter out to final size, and form the nose at the same time.

[FWest]

So I got a return call from CH4D just a few minutes ago. I ordered a 105 die in 357 dia. It was mentioned you could use a gas check or half jacket with this die. I have a couple Checkmakers already so I'm going to give it a go and keep my eyes open for some 38 cal half jackets.

[Utah Shooter]

Good choice for starters if you ask me.

[FWest]

I hope so although I have not found any details on the 105's use online. No videos or pics of bullets made with it. ?

[Reload3006]

the 105 makes a semi wad cutter type of bullet only. and it will do so with a jacket or gas check as long as the jacket is slightly below the nose punch. they are great bullets. you will enjoy the die.

[DukeInFlorida]

I have a Herters die that makes the same size, with the same nose shape. $65 from eBay. There are deals for that style of die on eBay from time to time.

[FWest]

The die showed up today. I've messed around with it a little, swaged a few gas with checks, first a soda can and the second some alum flashing. You can see the before and after. Both boolits were lubed prior to swaging them.
I was amazed how little effort it really takes after getting the gas check past the edge of the die. Boolits with no check were very easy. I'm using a Lee classic cast.
Boolits cast from wheel weights.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/frankwest/SAM_0562.jpg

[DukeInFlorida]

The die makes those domed SWC's????

[MIBULLETS]

The die makes those domed SWC's????

That's what I was wondering too. The punch looks like a core seating punch, not a nose punch.

[FWest]

That is how the die came. No instructions were included but it seems pretty strait forward. I expected to see a round nose bullet come out not a wad cutter with a small dome.

[Reload3006]

get BT to make you a different nose punch... your die works the way my lead bullet dies work. different nose punch a different boolit. You can do Kieth , RNFN RN deeper RN and weight depends on how much you want to bleed off you can do a whole lot with that die. also you will want to get a knurling tool so you can knurl the slugs if you go straight Swage so you can tumble lube them.

[FWest]

Thanks for the tip. I'll contact BT and go from there.

[ReloaderFred]

Yep, that's a core seating punch from a 101 Swaging die set.

Hope this helps.

Fred

[DukeInFlorida]

Fred, I beg to differ.
If you visit their 105 tool set page, they show you the punch profile for the SWC version. It is similar to what he received. They do NOT show you what the round nose version looks like.

The 105's form the point of the swaged bullet on the bottom punch.

I'm pretty sure he's got the correct bottom punch for the tool set he bought.

http://ch4d.com/catalog/?p=87

http://ch4d.com/catalog/images/105Demo.gif

Perhaps FWEST should call CH and ask them to look at the image he posted.

[ReloaderFred]

Duke,

Now I'm going to have to go down in my shop and dig out that old 105 die and take a look. The picture looks just like my core seating punches for the 101 series dies, complete with bleedoff hole. Could it be that Dave is using the same punch for both dies?

Fred

[Reload3006]

Duke,

Now I'm going to have to go down in my shop and dig out that old 105 die and take a look. The picture looks just like my core seating punches for the 101 series dies, complete with bleedoff hole. Could it be that Dave is using the same punch for both dies?

Fred
the nose punch in the 105 is the bleed.

[DukeInFlorida]

What he said....

It's possible that Corbin does, indeed, use the same punch for both purposes.

That's why I suggested that maybe FWEST would call Corbin and ask them that question.


the nose punch in the 105 **IS** the bleed.

[MIBULLETS]

the nose punch in the 105 is the bleed.

So do the 101 core seating punches.

[alfloyd]

FWest ( Frank ) had me make him two new punches for his CH4D 105 swage die.
Here is what the boolits noeses look like with the new punches.
Lyman 357156 cast, Nose with the punch send from CH4D, Round nose, SWC punch.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/picture.php?albumid=450&pictureid=4829

And the punches look like this:

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/picture.php?albumid=450&pictureid=4826

They are in the mail to him now.

Hope he likes them.

He also bought one of my lead wire extrusion dies I make for .186 dia wire, like this one, that used a cast soft lead boolit up to 45 cal as the slug to squeese into wire.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/picture.php?albumid=450&pictureid=4828

And one of my core swage/squirt dies like this one that makes all the cores the same weight and size:

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/picture.php?albumid=450&pictureid=4484

Duke in Maine has sent others to me for the lead wire extrusion die, he liked the one I made for him. Thanks Duke.

Lafaun

[FWest]

As I said to Lafaun, The tools look great and I'm excited to get them and start swaging.

I would like to thank Lafaun again and tell anyone who is looking for some swage tools to contact him and see what he can do for you. His turn around was very quick as well.

Duke is also extremely helpfull in sharing his contacts and experience.

FWest

[DukeInFlorida]

When my boots hit the ground in FL, I'm going to have to make me some nose punches for my Swage-O-Matic press. I have a couple of sizes of dies, and would love to have some round nose like you show.

Nice work.

I have an order into Brian for a 223 set of dies, and he tells me that you'll be making some of my parts for that. I'm happy!

Nice work, Lafaun!

[sledgehammer001]

FW, I bought a CH4D #105 in .30 cal. about 6 years ago. Came with a button RN, same as your .357 setup. I made secant ogive and a radius ogive tip punches for mine on my lathe. Previous posters are correct, have BT make you a SWC punch. you'll like it. Jon

[Sasquatch-1]

CH4D is the least expensive. If he has them in stock its the way to go to wet your whistle. There is a guy on Ebay that makes a set of dies like the 105 for $145. I believe that was the last price I have seen. I have not used those dies nor do I know of anyone who has I cannot vouch for their quality. Dr. Larry Blackmon makes dies From a company called Bullet Swaging Supply. And BT Sniper on here makes Reloading press dies. You didnt say what caliber you are wanting to make so its hard to steer you in a direction. .224 BT and Kane are going to be the least expensive for reloading press I believe. and D Corbin makes .224 reloading press dies but are close to 800 a set. Lots to chew on take your time and weigh all your options. there are pluses and minuses with each choice. Happy Loading Happy Shootn

I just purchased a set of these from the guy you are talking about. I am eagerly awaiting them as we speak. For $150.00+shipping. I am getting the flat base for making plain lead and jacketed bullets plus a special base that they make which swages a zinc washer like gascheck base. He is also including semi-wadcutter forming punch and one that makes a rounded nose . The reason I went with the Hawk Precission Bullet company is that he has heat treating done weekly so there is no waiting for him to get a batch together to send out.

Once I receive these and use them I will give a report on them.

Oh yeah, he is also including a bunch of the zinc bases.