Anyone scoped an Argentine?

[Jim Flinchbaugh]

I have a 1891 Argentine Mauser, 7.65x53. I would like ot mount a scope for load testing as my eyes ain't that great with open sights.
I saw on Graybeard's site that some fellow had devised a scope mount the goes in place of the rear sight, to make a reversible installation. ( some kind of modified Weave style rail?) He was using long eye relief scopes. I've sent him a PM about it, but over 3 weeks and no reply.
Curious if anyone else may have done this or something similar without drilling the action for a conventional install.

[220swiftfn]

Search "scout argentine" and Dutchman's posts will come up......

Dan

[Jim Flinchbaugh]

Search "scout argentine" and Dutchman's posts will come up......

Dan

Yeah, he hasnt responded to my PM about the mount he was making

[wellfedirishman]

Jim, this might work. I just ordered one for my Yugo Mauser. Is the Argie sight base similar to the German Mauser sight base?

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/mauser-k98-mil-spec-rifle-scope-mount.aspx?a=606368

[scrapcan]

Dutchman is the one you want to talk to. Give him a bit as it is the holiday season.

Have a look at his website devoted to the LER mounts fo rold battle rifles.
http://dutchman.rebooty.com/ler.html

and then have a look at his swede rifle pages. That will keep you busy for a bit while he gets a chance to respond to your email.
http://dutchman.rebooty.com/

you will not be sorry for waiting.

[Jim Flinchbaugh]

Jim, this might work. I just ordered one for my Yugo Mauser. Is the Argie sight base similar to the German Mauser sight base?

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/mauser-k98-mil-spec-rifle-scope-mount.aspx?a=606368

I just shot them an email to see if they knew if to would work on my Argie.
It looks very similar but ya never know.
Thanks for the link

[Jim Flinchbaugh]

Hmm,
Look what I found
http://www.galatiinternational.com/product/SKARG80.html

[leadman]

Dutchman made me a mount awhile ago. Very good mount, sets lower than the S&K and very solid.

[Dutchman]

Yeah, he hasnt responded to my PM about the mount he was making

Sorry for the delay in responding. You can't imagine the number of emails I get. :groner:

I don't currently have any available and can't say when I might... for the m/1891 Argentine.

Dutch

[Dutchman]

Jim, this might work. I just ordered one for my Yugo Mauser. Is the Argie sight base similar to the German Mauser sight base?

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/mauser-k98-mil-spec-rifle-scope-mount.aspx?a=606368

No, the m/1891 Argentine is way different.

The one you have linked is a very poor (cheap) and unstable mount. Don't waste your $$$.

Dutch

[Dutchman]

Hmm,
Look what I found
http://www.galatiinternational.com/product/SKARG80.html

The S&K is ok. The problem is their design does not extend back towards the receiver enough to fully utilize the NcStar 2-7x32 scope. It might be ok enough but there needs to be more rearward ring position adjustment.

This is the same fault on my v2 of the m/1891 LER mount that I intended to improve with a one piece all steel mount for the m/1891. About 1.5" more rear extending rail so the NcStar 2-7x32 can be fully adjusted as needed. The NcStar has only 8-10 inches of eye relief so it really needs rearward movement and not forward movement. The S&K mount extends forward but that direction isn't needed.

Great ideas and not a lot of action is the main problem with me. :-x

[Dutchman]

Dutchman made me a mount awhile ago. Very good mount, sets lower than the S&K and very solid.

I don't think mine is lower than the S&K.. at least not with the m/1891 mount. The S&K 1891 mount is one of 3 S&K mounts that do appear to be low. The other 2 are the Spanish m/1916 mount and the Lee-Enfield No.1 Mk3 mount. Why they get it right with 3 of their mounts while the rest are stratospheric I have no idea.

Dutch

[Jim Flinchbaugh]

Thanks FOr replying Dutch.
I have a mill and a lathe, I might try whittlin' one out for myself :)
The ice is melting in the warm temps here, fishing is on hold have time to play

[220swiftfn]

I just shot them an email to see if they knew if to would work on my Argie.
It looks very similar but ya never know.
Thanks for the link

98 mount will not work.......

Dan

[220swiftfn]

Hmm,
Look what I found
http://www.galatiinternational.com/product/SKARG80.html

THAT looks more like it........:grin:

Dan

[Dutchman]

Thanks FOr replying Dutch.
I have a mill and a lathe, I might try whittlin' one out for myself :)
The ice is melting in the warm temps here, fishing is on hold have time to play

Apparently I haven't looked close at the 1891 Argentine mount for a while. It does extend rearward plenty for the NcStar 2-7x32 handgun scope. The eye relief on this scope is 8-10 inches which is why it has to sit back so far. It's really a pretty good setup but I did conceive an improved one piece all-steel mount.

For the immense sum of $8 I can supply you with a new NcStar Marlin rail like the one pictured. I have a few spares. And I can supply photos that you can study.
Email me through the forum and I can send direct to you.

http://images18.fotki.com/v674/photos/2/28344/6806565/DSCF1068am-vi.jpg
http://images17.fotki.com/v521/photos/2/28344/6806565/DSCF1052am-vi.jpg

I can make a lower mount than this.

http://images54.fotki.com/v104/photos/2/28344/6806565/DSCF1411yy-vi.jpg

[Jim Flinchbaugh]

Email sent Dutch,
Thanks a million

[Jim Flinchbaugh]

Made a trip to the range today.
20 Grains 5744, CCI 200 primer, 205 grn boolit from my new 314299 NOE mold
I'm very happy
100 yards, open sights [smilie=w:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/James64/Photo056.jpg

[greenmntranger]

Dutchman

was wondering if you make a mount for the Chilean M95 mauser ...the short rifle if it matters

GMR

[Dutchman]

Dutchman

was wondering if you make a mount for the Chilean M95 mauser ...the short rifle if it matters

GMR

No. I did make some for the 95 Chilean long rifle. Only rifles I have in my possession.

Dutch

[Dutchman]

Made a trip to the range today.
20 Grains 5744, CCI 200 primer, 205 grn boolit from my new 314299 NOE mold
I'm very happy
100 yards, open sights [smilie=w:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/James64/Photo056.jpg

Jeez Louise! That's some good shootin'. I'm saving your load data. I've not tried 5744 with 314299. I have both.

Dutch

[greenmntranger]

No. I did make some for the 95 Chilean long rifle. Only rifles I have in my possession.

Dutch



You wouldn't have one kicking around by chance, would you?

Except for the shorter barrel, I'm pretty sure they were the same

[Dutchman]

The rear sight base on the short rifles are shorter. Not the same. An no, they all sold.

Dutch

[leadman]

I looked at a 91 at a gun show recently that had an S&K mount on it. At least this mount was much higher than the one you made me.

I have an S&K mount on a Swiss k-31 that JiminPhx milled off some of the top to get it lower for me. It helped but now am having a stock made with a flat foreend to help eleminate the cant from the gun rolling.

Great target by the way! Appears your rifle has been reblued?

[Jim Flinchbaugh]

Great target by the way! Appears your rifle has been reblued?

No siree, she's a real cherry! I did polish up where the crest was ground off and cold blued it, cant hardly tell :D

I don't think it was ever shot since being imported, It was packed solid with cosmoline from head to toe, what a job cleaning that out!'The bore is stunningly beautiful and everything is smooth as butter. All numbers match and has the cleaning rod and toad sticker on the front too:D

The coolest part?

The rifle was GIVEN to me:awesome:

[Fishman]

Dutchman, do you currently have any military mounts in stock? I visited your site but it didn't appear to have been updated recently. I really like the look of your mounts.

[dualsport]

Flinchy; You must be a young guy...this is an opportunity to buy another gun!! You can find sporterised '91s all day long for cheap, usually with a regular scope base on it(drilled and tapped at least) and a bent bolt. Some even with the coveted Buehler Safety. THEN, you can have your cake and eat it too. One for optics, one issue. I found one in a gun shop in the junk barrel(they let me scrounge) that was bubba'd and it shoots great, although not as great as yours. The price of a S&K mount and LER scope might get you halfway into a complete bubba gun that shoots.

[Jim Flinchbaugh]

dunno if I am young at 47, my body would certainly disagree.
I really wanted a scope on this one to work up some loads and see just how good it really would shoot. But I don't want to molest it into Bubbahyde. Dutches mounts are reversible.
Besides, I cant use scopes in our winter Military gong shoots. I've already PO'd the crowd with this thing, now I want to rub it in real good! :evil:

[dualsport]

I hear ya. Got the same deal with some of mine. And have used the same solution, a scout scope set-up. Good way to test loads and gun, have fun with your Argie, I love mine. It's occurred to me how little things have changed considering the similar performance of the 7.65x53 and the 7.62x51 NATO.

[Dutchman]

Dutchman, do you currently have any military mounts in stock? I visited your site but it didn't appear to have been updated recently. I really like the look of your mounts.

Nothing at the moment. I do have 50 Swede mounts in progress but they've been in progress for quite a while now. I need to adjust the $$$ to provoke more action on my end. I never really wanted to start a career making scope mounts but I could.

I really like my mounts, too. I don't sell anything that I don't like. If I don't like it how could anybody else like it?

I am just about to purchase a new digital readout for my lathe. That will cause the anchors to be manufactured MUCH easier and faster.
http://www.dropros.com/DRO_PROS_Lathe_Digital_Readout.htm

The m/1891 Argentine rifle mount will be one that I will upgrade and continue manufacturing. It has more potential than other mounts due to there being no handguard to interfere with the mount or height of the mount between the rear sight base and the receiver.

Dutch

[Fishman]

How would one get on the list for one of those swede mounts? I am also interested in an 1891 mount as I have two gorgeous rifles.

[Larry Gibson]

If you've any skills with tools such as files a hack saw and a drill press you can fabricate and excellent base without much problem.

Larry Gibson

[Fishman]

You can't fool me. That base is a Leupold. It says so right on it! :)

[Larry Gibson]

Yup, it are a Looeypoled base alrighty........only it didn't quite look that way when I started with it and it sure tain't made for M91....that's where the files, hack saw and drill press come in:wink:

Larry Gibson

[Fishman]

Larry, it looks really good. Can the gun be returned to stock or did you have to drill and tap it? Which base did you use?

[Larry Gibson]

Fishman

Returning it to "original" was not a concern as this rifle was already cut down for sale on import. As you can see it has been D&T'd for the receiver sight and the front sight base is not orignal (modified for an M14 sight). The bolt handle has also been forged. The stock is cut down with the recoil pad added and I will set the front band back to the handguard and then further shorten the forend.

However, the original rear sight can be reinstalled as no mods were made to the rifles sight base. The Leupold base was for an octagon ML barrel. You can see where the rear straddles the barrel and bumps solidly against the rear of the rifle sight base for a recoil shoulder. The front of the Leupold base was cut/files away so the base lays parallel with the barrel on the rifles sight base. There is a screw that holds the original sight stop and spring in the rifle base. I drilled a hole in the Leupold base to match with the rear recoil shoulders bumping solid and a screw matching the existing threads tightend the front of the Leupold base in place (sorry, don't remember the thread pitch). The hole for the sight retaining pin was then drilled through the Leupold base using the existing rifle sight base holes as a guide and the pin put in.

The Leupold base is on there rock solid. The scope is a Burris 3X intermediate ER scope (unfortuneately no longer made). I've not bedded or tweaked the bedding at all but I have adjusted the trigger pull to a clean 3 lb break. As you can see it is a fine shooter with my J bullet load but does as goo, though not as fast, with a 314299, C312-185 or the GB C314291.

Larry Gibson

[Fishman]

Larry, thanks for the detailed description. I'm going to do it!

Your rifle shoots like a house afire.

[Ed in North Texas]

I will join those who encourage the Dutchman to get back into manufacturing scope mounts for these fine military rifles.

Ed