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SuperBlazingSabots
12-24-2011, 03:13 PM
Greetings, for all those shooters looking to shoot a Round ball in wad then here are my measurements from a .730" diameter barrel fit, a smooth bore that I check every slug/sabot I load for size by pushing through this 6 inch barrel!
Go to any gunsmith and ask for a cut piece of barrel from his garbage bin for this important safety check before you start loading your own and you will be surprised at what all you will find.


Wad Petal thickness
Fed.12S0 21.5 to 26.5
Fed.12C1 21.5 to 23
Fed.12S3 17 to 19
Fed.12S4 20 to 27
Hor.Versalite25 to 31
Win.AA 21.5 to23 White
Win.12F114 19 to 21
Win.AA Red, I can't get the original ones!


Best fit for .685" dia RB in wad!
1. Fed.12S3 purple wad, nice fit!
2. Win.AA White next best fit!
3. Fed.12C-1 a bit tighter fit!
4. Fed.12S-0 a bit too tight fit!
5. Fed.12S-4 brown, too tight, could be dangerous!
6. Win. 12F114 yellow, too loose for accuracy!
7. Hornady Versalite Red, Too tight, could be dangerous!
**Just in case you are wondering where did I get this .685" RB mold,
that mold was a gift from Sharp Shooters and all I payed was for shipping $5.
What a gentleman he is, can't beat that!


Best fit for .678" dia RB in wad!
1. Fed.12S3 purple wad, loose fit!
2. Win.AA White Ok minus fit!
3. Fed.12C-1 loose fit!
4. Fed.12S-0 a bit tight fit!
5. Fed.12S-4 brown, OK fit!
6. Win. 12F114 yellow, a little loose fit!
7. Hornady Versalite tight, can be dangerios!
* Ideal mold!


Best fit for .690" dia RB in wad, if you to happen to cast them of WW and water quench them like I do,
then you might as well forget that idea of loading them with the above wads as they are too tight for your own safety!!
1. Fed.12S3 purple wad, tight fit!
2. Win.AA White, tight fit!
3. Fed.12C-1, tight fit!
4. Fed.12S-0, tight fit!
5. Fed.12S-4 brown, tight fit!
6. Win. 12F114 yellow, tight fit!
7. Hornady Versalite, tight fit!
* A Lyman mold!


Even tho I have the Lyman .732" RB mold, I am still a fan of, RB in wad design!

Before you start using a RB for hunting be aware of some facts about RB:
A. The sphere is the most difficult geometric form to deform or destroy!
B. If given enough velocity it will deform but only if you hit large bones!
C. If you do not hit solid bones then it has a definite tendency to spread muscle fibers, rather than to cut!
D. A hole made by a round ball in any medium is not one of extreme damage!
E. A round ball hole through a paper target, nearly always you can put the paper edges of the perforation back together, because the ball tears rather than punches a hole and
no paper is actually destroyed or carried away!
F. The RB can be very deadly provided you aim for heavy bones, because it does have the smashing power!

For reference here is the same test with Lyman 525 in wad in a .730 barrel fit, water quenched for add. hardness, Wt. 500 grain!
1. Fed.12S3 purple wad, very good fit!
2. Win.AA White, good fit!
3. Fed.12C-1, loose fit!
4. Fed.12S-0, tight fit!
5. Fed.12S-4 brown, tight fit!
6. Win. 12F114 yellow, loose fit!
7. Hornady Versalite, tight fit could be dangerous!


For reference here is the same test with Lee Drive Key 1oz slug in wad, in a .730 barrel fit, water quenched for add. hardness!
1. Fed.12S3 purple wad, very good fit! Best
2. Win.AA White, a bit loose fit! 3rd Best
3. Fed.12C-1, a bit loose fit! 5th best
4. Fed.12S-0, tight fit!
5. Fed.12S-4 brown, good, a bit tight fit! 2nd Best
6. Win. 12F114 yellow, a bit loose fit! 4th Best
7. Hornady Versalite, tight fit could be dangerous

The above information could be very helpful, to the slug/RB loader!
Guess what I enjoyed doing the test and now this information will come in very handy
next time I even start thinking of doing some loading.
With so many variables, a lot to learn and each day brings about a new challenge!
Wow, that was my last 2 cents, and now I'm all broke!
Safety first,trust but verify!
Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas!
Ajay
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smoked turkey
12-25-2011, 02:02 AM
Thank you Ajay. I will be doing some load development shortly I hope and this will give me a good place to start.

missionary5155
12-25-2011, 01:52 PM
Greetings & Merry Christmas !
There is a wealth of info available here in this shotgun Forum . Top of the page type in Roundball in the box and have a Happy Christmas afternoon reading.
Do not forget as you are reading that the pachage must exit the choke.
Mike in Peru

odfairfaxsub
12-25-2011, 08:59 PM
to be honest your conclusion of the 12f114 wad being too loose i will say just my finding that about every wad i recovered had 2 pedals broken due to "overtight" fit but this could just be to 870 and mossberg talking, havent tried it on a new england or another shotgun like my m-2. i liked them out to 50 yards

SuperBlazingSabots
12-25-2011, 10:02 PM
Greetings and Merry Christmas OdFairFaxSub, some times just polishing the forcing cones a bit can helps things and do wonders, here is how you can polish yours:
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=136986
Happy Holidays.
Ajay
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odfairfaxsub
12-25-2011, 10:44 PM
thankyou for the advice, the guns comming out lately have been kinda rough. the m2 which im ashamed to have'da bought due to american quality on semis being low is by far the most well finished barrel i have ever seen

SuperBlazingSabots
12-26-2011, 03:50 PM
Please note, I have updated the RB barrel fit chart to 3 different size balls, and now have included
Lyman 525 slug and Lee Drive Key in 1 oz!
Hope it is helpful!
Happy Holidays!
Ajay
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SuperBlazingSabots
01-17-2012, 11:47 AM
Greetings, please watch out, for the Buckshot, 1 1/8 oz fast loads and slug loads are mixed, so use caution and use it for reference purposes only and at your own risk!!!!

The 1 1/8 oz load data can be used for Round ball as they are fast loads!

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee75/Dantebeowulf/12GaBuckshot.jpg
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee75/Dantebeowulf/12GaBuckshot-SlugA.jpg
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee75/Dantebeowulf/12GaSlugloadsB.jpg
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee75/Dantebeowulf/12GaSlugloadsC.jpg
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee75/Dantebeowulf/12GaFast11-8OzloadsD.jpg
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee75/Dantebeowulf/12GaFast11-8OzloadsE.jpg
I'll be leaving for India on the 19th, take care, enjoy the sport!
Have a wonderful day!
Ajay
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oli700r
01-17-2012, 01:15 PM
wow, good luck and thanks for everything.

longbow
01-18-2012, 01:10 AM
Excellent info Ajay!

Thanks for sharing.

I hope you have a good trip.

Longbow

SuperBlazingSabots
01-18-2012, 10:05 AM
Thanks LongBow, you are a gentleman, no doubt!
Here are some really good fast Buckshot loads that can be good for reference purposes, and then can be used for slugs of the same weight if done carefully!
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=139560
Thanks again for being a gentleman!
Ajay
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MBTcustom
01-18-2012, 11:21 AM
I have asked that this thread be made a sticky. Good info.