Keith Bullets and WW296

[sargeny1]

Does anybody use WW296 in their 3567 41 and 44 mahnums...Winchester used to list a load of 25grains of ww296 and 250 grain bullet in their manual.....don't think they list(or recommend) it anymore...I have tried it and it was VERY clean burning and exceptionally accurate in a number of S&W and Ruger 44's..
Pete...

[Glen]

Yes, I use 296 in my 44 and 41 Magnums (for the most part I shoot 2400 in my 357s). For 250 grain cast bullets in .44 Magnum I generally use 23.5 grains of 296. I get 1350-1400 fps and very good accuracy. For the 41 Magnum, I use 21.0 grains of 296 with 210-220 grain bullets, which also gives 1350-1400 fps and very good accuracy.

[Dale53]

Look at the 629 S&W loads just above this thread.

Dale53

[Ricochet]

The Winchester manual I had back in the '70s listed 25 grains of 296 under the 240 grain gas check lead semiwadcutter bullet they still sold then but discontinued in the late '70s, and 24 grains under a 240 grain jacketed hollow point.

[Uncle R.]

I shot a lot of sillywets years ago with 21.0 grs. of 2400 under a 240 gr. Hornady J-word in my 7 1/2" SBH. Accuracy was good, extraction was easy, case life was long and they went over the chrono screens in the low 13s which was right where the book said they should be. A friend bought a new Virginia Dragoon and we shot it with my 2400 loads - and had to POUND the cases out of the cylinder with a brass rod and a hammer.
Hmmmm....
That got me thinking, so I checked some newer (at that time) manuals which said that 21.0 grs. of 2400 was too hot - so I switched to 23.5 grs. of 296. That load also shot well but went over the screens in the mid 12s. A little less sting in the recoil, but still good enough to take down the rams and apparently much lower pressure. I still use that charge under 240 grainers, jacketed OR cast, and get excellent results.
Uncle R.

[Four Fingers of Death]

I use the Winchester reference flyer for my loads and I thin kit was 25Gns. They also said not to to reduce loads with 296 and stressed it in several sections of the flyer. I reduced it by 1Gn to 24Gns, because that is the maximum charge a Lee auto disk will drop with the biggest cavity and if it don't drop out of a Lee Auto Disk it don't go into my pistolas, because I don't want to add another operation to reloading pistol ammo. It worked fine, I never measured it, but it was moving right along. I tried it in my Rossi as well and it had a similar thump to the Winchester factory jacketed loads. Shoot it out of a pistol on a cold, frosty morning and it feels like getting the cane at school. Ask your gunshop if theyt have the Winchester leaflets, good loads for rifle and pistol.

[redneckdan]

i use it in .357 150gr RCBS keith type, 16ish grains of 296 if I recall but don't quoite me on it. works well.

[sargeny1]

Thanks Guys..Yes...I remember that 1970's manual load..that is what I was referring to.....also..seems that 296 is a VERY clean burning powder also...
Pete

[leadhead]

H110 always shot better than 296 in my 44's using a 245 gr Keith.
Denny

[sargeny1]

HEY DENNY...YESSS..I have also used H110...just as good as ww296..I can'y tell ANY difference between these powders in 357..41 and 44 magnum with Keith Bullets...

[ELFEGO BACA]

I have used 296 in my 44 mag SBH and RH. 22.5 grains with a 255 grain 429421 and 22.5 grains with a Saeco 433 300 grainv w/o gas check.

For 'plinking' I have recently been using 10.0 grains of Unique behind the two above bullets.

[MtGun44]

H110 = W296.

Same factory, same powder, just batch to batch variation.

Straight from the horse's mouth.

Bill

[Lloyd Smale]

I dont use much 110/296 anymore. Its just not a flexible enough powder. It temperture senistive and can be loaded down. Better powders for the 44 are 2400 aa9/wc820 and 4227. All of those powders are capable of velocitys real close to what 110 will do on the top end and can be loaded down somewhat and arent near as senistive to temperatures and primers.

[GLynn41]

Have used lots and lots of H110/ 296 mostly 296- the most accurate load I have used in my 41s is 22/296/ and 220 -230 keith -- it also shot well with a 240 LBT mold i used to have -- Remember it works well for me and my guns- which have been a 4", 6' 8 3/8" S&W--6' DWA 2- 6.5" Black hawks-- 2-5.5 Redhawks. personally i have never had any problems with the 296 in .41 or the .44 I used to have but did have problems in my .45 Colt I used to have. Nothing but .41's for me :)

[sargeny1]

Ahhh....I see that ww 296/h110 IS in widespread use...!!!

[Dale53]

I initially started with Win 296 but shortly went with H110 because I got the same performance at less cost and I was shooting a BUNCH. Now, it is all WC 820 for cost reasons. My experience was that I saw little difference in any of the three powders.

Dale53