Fatter(.375") RCBS NOE clone?

[blaser.306]

Would there be any interest in a "fatter" .375" version of the 200 gr rcbs clone that Noe produced ? I would like one for a 375 win single shot and Al. said that we / he could do a Small Group buy (5) requiered to get on the list, final details as to G/C and PB would be sorted out at a later date. This boolit would possibly be be a good shooter in 38-55 and some of the JDJ handcannons and 375-444's as well . Post here if you have any interest or express your ideas or oppinions.

[bearcove]

Pictures?

[blaser.306]

I will talk to Al and see if he can provide something to look at , I suspect that he as we all are at this time of year is a little pre occupied but he hasn't let us down before!

[rockrat]

Which 200 gr are you talking about, the 35-200?

[bearcove]

maybe 37-250

[SwedeNelson]

Something to look at.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/swedenelson/1111-199-378220FN.jpg
Can make it bigger if needs be.

Swede Nelson

[Piedmont]

If Mr. Nelson is going to do something like that it would be a crime not to offer it in .382" also. A larger nose diameter might be in order though, my .358 Winchester would handle that bore rider!

[rockrat]

220gr might be a bit light. Might want to add another lube groove and driving band. Maybe get it to around 250gr or so.

Just thinking out loud

A .382" would also be good, for those oversized Marlin barrels

[bearcove]

Maybe Al could do more than one Dia. .379 and .382 I just got a rebored marlin and I think 379 will be big enough for me.

Making the nose dia larger would help weight but I think that is set by the base dia since he will be using existing tooling.

Edit: That nose dia on drawing might be from the 35-200 Rcbs run. Might not have been changed when he changed the base dia.

[SwedeNelson]

Corrected BR dimension.
Can make it bigger all around if needs be or run two diameters.

To make it heavier it would take a new form tool.
Can do it, just would take 15 orders to cover the tooling.

Swede Nelson

[rockrat]

I could live with 220gr. Hmm, wonder how fast my 375 H&H would drive it!!:)

[blaser.306]

I started this mess I might as well be the first to be "commited" so I will take a 5 cavity 220 ish gr for a starter!

[blaser.306]

Bump for interest sake! And to wish everyone a merry cristmas from all the members up here in the frozen north ( Canada ) !

[376Steyr]

I'd go for a 220 gr, .378 as shown on the drawing.

[blaser.306]

That makes enough to get the ball rolling . Any more interested parties?


Blaser.306 (.376x.366)
376Steyr (.376x.366)
bearcove depending on size (.376x.366)
Ramslammer (.382 x .372 ) Either rg2 or rg4
Rockrat 5 cav (.382 x 372) GC

That makes 6 for the list , for a start anyway

[rockrat]

I could go for a 5 cav. but around .381" if possible. My Marlin is .380" and my NEF slightly larger. Now, my 38-55 bolt gun likes a .379", but I can size down .002"

[Ed K]

Understand the 38-55 shooters are looking for a fatter dimensions but shooters with modern dimensioned .375" are going to run into some trouble as this design continues to drift upwards. I'm less concerned about the .378" as it can be sized but the bore ride portion is now 0.368" My barrels' lands are 0.366". Can I displace the lead from 0.002" of bore riding nose as I chamber a round?

[blaser.306]

Understand the 38-55 shooters are looking for a fatter dimensions but shooters with modern dimensioned .375" are going to run into some trouble as this design continues to drift upwards. I'm less concerned about the .378" as it can be sized but the bore ride portion is now 0.368" My barrels' lands are 0.366". Can I displace the lead from 0.002" of bore riding nose as I chamber a round?

I would just about think you could expect more than 0.002 variance in nose diameter depending on your alloy and casting tecnique ! Just my thoughts and I'm sure there will be others with more knowledge on the subject that will come in with the voice of reason! ( wait a minute we are dealing with people , some with dozens of moulds with no gun to shoot them in ) I think that ship has sailed !

[bearcove]

Understand the 38-55 shooters are looking for a fatter dimensions but shooters with modern dimensioned .375" are going to run into some trouble as this design continues to drift upwards. I'm less concerned about the .378" as it can be sized but the bore ride portion is now 0.368" My barrels' lands are 0.366". Can I displace the lead from 0.002" of bore riding nose as I chamber a round?

I think I have the same problem. My marlin I just got is a rebored 30-30. The bore is supposed to be .366 and that agrees with what I measure. Need to do a chamber cast to see throat dia.

[williamwaco]

That is a beautiful bullet and my most accurate load in my .38-55 was intended to be a 220 grain but it actually drops 216gr.

However - I would not consider .378 a "fatter" .375 bullet. It is about standard. All three of my common production molds drop .378 to .379.





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[blaser.306]

The "fatter" is refering to this boolit being a "biggened up" version of the 35-200-rcbs so yes you are correct and as the drawing that Al. provided the base dimention would be .378 and the nose @.368 with the possibility of a second even larger model as well !

[Ed K]

If the second is to be even larger to satisfy the 38-55 shooter then why is the smaller of the two bigger than 0.376"? Furthermore what are the tolerances +/- relative to the nominally specified figure? Again for the overall diameter that fits groove diameter we all can size. You can't do much about the bore ride dimension though.

I'd take one at .376" x .366"

[bearcove]

If the small dia was .376 I'd take one.

[SwedeNelson]

We are wide open to what size you would like to run.
Lets pick two that covers the small and the large of it.
Just keep in mind that the nose diameter is going to be .01" smaller than the body diameter.
.376" x .366" nose
.382" x .372" nose
So what do we want.

Swede Nelson

[blaser.306]

I'm in for the smaller of the two , I want to use it in a single shot pistol and do not want to size too far down. 5 cavity and drill for probe .

[376Steyr]

.376" x .366" nose for me, in a 5 cavity.

[Ramslammer]

G'Day Swede
.382 RG2 ????
Juddy

[bearcove]

.376 x.366 3 cav for me.

[rockrat]

I would need the .382" x .372" for mine.


Another one to think of, is the 338-225 group buy boolit expanded to .376" or .382". It would make a boolit of around 250gr, if anyone wants a heavier boolit

Just thinkin.

[Ed K]

I would need the .382" x .372" for mine.


Another one to think of, is the 338-225 group buy boolit expanded to .376" or .382". It would make a boolit of around 250gr, if anyone wants a heavier boolit

Just thinkin.

Are you speaking of the NOE 338320 201Gr. FN? I did not see a 338-225.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=133410&highlight=338

[rockrat]

Nope, the NOE 339-225 FN

If I could log in to Photobucket and download from my computer, I would show you a pic.

Internet Explorer won't let me, it aborts the operation

Edit--GO to the Archive section of group buys and it is there on the first page.

[Ed K]

That bullet looks good too although I think it will come in a lot closer to 275gr than 250gr.

[rockrat]

You might be right about the heavier weight.

[blaser.306]

Friday bump! We only need one more to get on the list.

[Ramslammer]

G'Day
If Swede will do a "RG" option I'm in for a RG4 .382 if it's alloy or a RG2 if brass.
Juddy
There's your one more!!

[blaser.306]

We will have to find out! If not I would bet that 1 cavity could be HP'ed .

[SwedeNelson]

Interest list
1 blaser.306 5 cavity GC .376
2 376Steyr 5 cavity GC .376
3 Ramslammer RG4 GC .382
4 bearcove 3 cavity GC .376
5 rockrat 5 cavity GC .382
6 Trey45 5 cavity GC .382
7

Will offer this in aluminum 1 through 5 cavity with HP option and RG2, RG4.

Swede Nelson

[blaser.306]

That looks like 5 on the list !

[rockrat]

I will take a .382" 5 cav gc

[Trey45]

I've been looking for another mold for my 38-55, sign me up for a 5 cavity .382 gas check please.
Is it possible to have two of the cavities an RG?

[SwedeNelson]

Trey45

We only offer RG's in 2 and 4 cavity moulds.

Sorry
Swede Nelson

[SwedeNelson]

Got a group buy going on this one
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?p=1526259#post1526259

Thanks
Swede Nelson

[farmbif]

Is this still open? A gas checked 220 for 375 win would be interesting, is there a hp option?

[jason f]

btt. i would be in for an rg4 gc

[tigerbight]

I want one