6.5x55 mould

[mustanggt]

Anyone have a recommendation for a mould to shoot in a M96 Swedish Mauser? Definately not as easy to find as a 30cal mould.

[Jim]

THIS ONE (http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/bullet-casting/mould-details-rifles.php?entryID=40)works very well in my 6.5 Swede.

[Larry Gibson]

The out of production Lyman 266455 is an excellent bullet also. It is the little brother at 129 gr of the 266469. I've had much better accuracy at higher velocity with the 266455 because it has a much shorter nose and is better supported. The 3rd GB 129 gr mould or the GB "Kurtz" moulds are also excellent if you can find someone to part with one.

Larry Gibson

[Maven]

Anyone have a recommendation for a mould to shoot in a M96 Swedish Mauser? Definately not as easy to find as a 30cal mould.

Larry's suggestion about the Lee 6-cavity group buy mold is a good one, but finding one of those, as he said, isn't going to be easy. As for the 2 excellent designs that Lyman presently offers, you'll need to slug your bore before setting your heart on the Loverin or the other (link to follow). I.e., your bore may require a CB which casts larger than .266" (mine does), which is the CB diameter, using their #2 alloy, their molds cast to. The problem is (a) these days you never know what diameter a new Lyman mold will actually cast to and (b) whether such CB's will be large enough to correctly fit your bore. Slugging the bore will at least tell you which minimum diameter you'll need. What you'll get from Lyman, however, is anybody's guess. (I suppose you can buy one and "beagle" it.*) Here the other Lyman design: http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/bullet-casting/mould-details-rifles.php?entryID=41 The original version shot very accurately, sized to .267" in my Mod. 96.



*See CASTPICS (bottom of your screen): Modifying & fixing a mold

[curator]

Mustangt,

Make a throat cast and sent it to Veral Smith at LBT (LBTisaccuracy.com) and get one of his 140 grain spire-point bullet moulds cut to the throat of your rifle. You will never look back! Most commercial bullet moulds are not made for the Swede. They are way-undersize. You need a bullet of .267-268 diameter and a nose that won't slump upon firing. LBT gas check designs will work for you. My M38 and M96 Swedes shoot 1" 5-shot groups at 100 yards from the bench rest, no problem. I do keep velocities under 1800 fps bit who cares about faster to punch paper?

[mustanggt]

I've bought new Lyman mould before and it's a crapshoot what size they'll be. 1800fps work in my other milsurps for accuracy so have never found the need to go faster. Thanks for the replies and keep them coming.

[Dutchman]

Lyman 266673 drops from my mold at .266". Best booolit I've fired in the Swede so far.

The only thing is I'd recommend it only for rifles with excellent condition or like new bores.

266469 is ok but not as good as 266673.

Dutch

[Tedly]

FWIW I use a #266469 w/ ACWW...I haven't slugged the Swedes and haven't put alot of effort into the project. The other posters advice sounds good. I shoot these as cast just for practice and they shoot well enough for that purpose. Just my .02...Tedly:lovebooli

[Calamity Jake]

Saeco 264 is what I use in my swedes it out shoots 266469 and the lee 129 group buy mold mentioned above.

[1Shirt]

266469 and the Cruse Mis shoot well out of both my Swed's. I size to .267 and use White Lable Canuba Red.
1Shirt!:coffeecom

[zomby woof]

My 96 shoots the 266469. It drops at .266 and my bore is .267. I use 16.5 4198 with .7 grains of Dacron. I've use lube from LLA, 2500 and "Fast Olive". Shoots very well. Holds the 10 ring of the SR target at 200.
I'm currently on the 269145 GB. I'm hoping the extra .002" will help in accuracy.

[greenwart]

The first Die I got throws .270 in the ahead of the bands and 272 on the bands. I size this down to 266 and have sized the nose to 258. The second die is 266 and 265 ahead of the grease bands and 268-269 on the bands. I was going to do the shortening mod on the second die but that might be the keeper. I have yet to shoot it yet. I have to shoot though the mound of bullet already cast for the first die. For the $18 for the lee die it might work. I am waiting on the group buy in February.

Bob

[Ben]

greenwart :

" I have 2 cruise missles dies from Midsouth "

Aren't you pouring your lead into bullet molds, not dies ? ?
We got to get our terminology right on this one.

[greenwart]

SorryI was up late last night. Lee Molds or Moulds.

[Ben]

I see the spelling here on the forum spelled both ways - - molds and moulds.

I use molds ? ?

On Lee's Web page, they use the spelling " molds."

Thanks,
Ben

[sffar]

NOE has a group buy coming up soon for a 6.5 mold. Look for the 269145. There's also a group buy discussion about one similar to what Jim recommended, though it'll likely cast larger than a Lyman.
Sam

[curator]

Ben,

"Mold" is the stuff that grows on things in your refrigerator. A mould is a tool to form something by pouring a material that then solidifies inside. Bloody Yanks can't spell--same folks that dropped the "u" from colour and favour.

[cdet69]

At least we drive on the correct side of the road.

[JIMinPHX]

If you want to try a CM mold, then this is where you should be looking - http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=000066.5SWED

[Ben]

curator

You might want to do a little bit of reading below, you might notice in " RED "
how they spell the word :



From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In metalworking, casting involves pouring liquid metal into a mold, which contains a hollow cavity of the desired shape, and then allowing it to cool and solidify. The solidified part is also known as a casting, which is ejected or broken out of the mold to complete the process. Casting is most often used for making complex shapes that would be difficult or uneconomical to make by other methods.[1]
The casting process is subdivided into two main categories: expendable and non-expendable casting. It is further broken down by the mold material, such as sand or metal, and pouring method, such as gravity, vacuum, or low pressure.[2]

[462]

Not to hi-jack the thread, open a can of worms, or get into a spelling argument, but Lyman spells it mould.

As far as I'm concerned, either spelling gets the meaning across. I have chosen to use mould.

[Ben]

It doesn't matter to me how anyone spells the word here on the forum, but for someone to tell me I'm wrong in spelling it as "mold ". Well, if I'm wrong so is the encyclopedia and so are many companies with the spelling of the words on their web site and they make bullet molds daily.

http://www.accuratemolds.com/

With that said, if someone wants to spell it mould, that is just fine with me ( but I won't be telling them they are wrong with their spelling ) .

Ben

[curator]

OOOps, my attempt at levity was misunderstood. Apologies all around. The point was BOTH spellings are in use and are correct in various areas. As a former Cannuckian I am used to being "corrected" by the spelling police here in the US. I think it is kind of funny that : 1) people are unaware of alternate spellings, and 2) some people are so adamant about being right. Gosh folks, this isn't France where the govenment moniters spelling and word usage to preserve "purity." Lighten up!

[cdet69]

Was it not said that the Amercans and English were a common people seperated by a different language? There are a multitude of words spelled differently between the two forms of English.

[Rokkit Syinss]

Anyone have a load with 2400 that works with an LBT 140gr spire point? I'd like to keep it around 1800 or a bit less.

[curator]

15 grains of 2400 or 16 grains of AA1680--both give about 1650 fps and good accuracy in my Swede. I too shot the LBT 140 spire point. Great bullet and wonderfull moulds (ooops)

[Rokkit Syinss]

15 grains of 2400 or 16 grains of AA1680--both give about 1650 fps and good accuracy in my Swede. I too shot the LBT 140 spire point. Great bullet and wonderfull moulds (ooops)

Och laddie, no superfluous U's please.....[smilie=p:

Thanks for the load, I used to shoot it over AA8700 in my 96 about 15-20 years ago and it hammered. I had to convince Veral to try to cut spire point molds back then and have the first 140 and 120 for 6.5 he cut. They're still casting well.

[JIMinPHX]

OOOps, my attempt at levity was misunderstood.

I've bumped into the curator before on another board that specialized in black powder arms. On that board, he was one of the most respected posters & a wealth of good information. Based on what I saw there, it would be out of character for him to have intended his previous remarks here in a non-jovial or insulting sense. It's unfortunate that his sense of humor did not translate as pristinely as he may have hoped.

[9.3X62AL]

Last year I did a shoot-off in my Ruger 77R chambered in 6.5 x 55. The competing boolits were Lyman #266469 vs. #266673 vs. a 129 grain variant of the Loverin design. The Ruger differs from the milsurps a bit, having a .264" groove/6 rights and a throat at tight .265". Twist rate is 1-9", in contrast to the 1-7.5" to 1-8" (5 turns/meter) pitch given most milsurps in this caliber.

Greenhill Formula application showed the 1-9" twist to be a bit marginal for the long #266673 at Greenhill's "ideal" velocity of 1800 FPS and the "150" constant. I was also cognizant of the "speed limit" of roughly 1600 FPS that many 6.5mm shooters have experienced and documented herein with castings in milsurp Swedes. Indeed, I saw the same accuracy fall-off with my Win 94 and its 1-8" twist--exceed 1600-1650 FPS, and accuracy went galley-west.

I kept loads to a limit of 1700 FPS to guard against the effects of hyper-rotation dispersion. What may have occurred is that the slower twist couldn't adequately stabilize the longer boolit at that self-imposed limit, but both of the Loverin designs significantly out-shot the bore-rider at all speeds (1500-1750 FPS). There was little to choose from between the 129 and 140 grain boolits in terms of accuracy.

I rolled the bones and bought a Lyman #266469 a few months ago, and this mould is gathering mold from lack of usage to date. I'm hoping its castings fall free @ at least .265" in 92/6/2 or Lyman #2. The samples of #266469 I fired stayed inside 1.5"-1.75" reliably, so there is room for optimism.

[madsenshooter]

Was it not said that the Amercans and English were a common people seperated by a different language? There are a multitude of words spelled differently between the two forms of English.

I used to try to sneak Officer Evaluations past the Commander wherein the writer, the evaluator, had used a word that in old English was spelled correctly, but in US Enlish, it wasn't. It didn't work and I often had to retype the whole report because corrections, unless masterfully done, weren't allowed. Those occifers were always causing me problems!

[Buckshot]

................I'll hang with Dean Grennell in spelling it "mould", he said "mold" is ambiguous :groner:

..............Buckshot

[JIMinPHX]

I kept loads to a limit of 1700 FPS to guard against the effects of hyper-rotation dispersion.


Al,
Would you please elaborate on this point a little? I'm not familiar with that category of effect.

Thanks,
Jim

[45 2.1]

Al,
Would you please elaborate on this point a little? I'm not familiar with that category of effect.

Thanks,
Jim

Good point Jim....... neither have I.

[Larry Gibson]

He's trying to be nice and not use the RPM word.

Larry Gibson

[9.3X62AL]

Al,
Would you please elaborate on this point a little? I'm not familiar with that category of effect.

Thanks,
Jim

I got a pretty hot E-mail pursuant to this statement as well, so here goes--at risk of re-igniting ANOTHER RPM thread/flame war.

Some contributors here have reported that castings fired in fast-twist barrels have a "speed limit" of roughly 1600 FPS, beyond which FOR SOME REASON the boolits start to disperse radially on target downrange. I did see this effect with my 1-8" 25-35 WCF, 114 grain NEI flatnoses of 92/6/2 metal sized .260" launched past 1600 FPS. At or under that speed, accuracy was excellent--much past 1600 FPS, and things went to pot. And that is where I left it, for the time being.

My cautious approach with the 6.5 x 55 was taken due to the reports referenced above--a limited number of samples of each type--and unknown metallurgy of the samples. I do not wholly believe in that 1600 FPS speed limit in fast twists, though I have seen limited evdience of its existence in my own experience. I don't have ANY opinion on rotational speed being anything other than a variable in the equation, and I am not qualified to make sweeping statements about its effects--and WON'T. I am very prepared to believe that the speed limit idea is not a hard and fast rule, but not having explored the question in depth I can't really say one way or the other.

ALL I DID--was use caution given the limitations I was working with to gain generic results with which to enhance my enjoyment of my firearm. I posted my results without intent to defraud or mislead--nothing more. If I shattered someone's icon or upset someone's applecart, I'm sorry.

ETA--If possible, could someone point out where in the FAQ or user guidelines the requirement for footnotes and/or an annotated bibliography is listed? TIA

[corvette8n]

I bought the Criuse Missle mould from Midsouth, I cast some but have yet to load any for the Swede.

[gandydancer]

Ben,

"Mold" is the stuff that grows on things in your refrigerator. A mould is a tool to form something by pouring a material that then solidifies inside. Bloody Yanks can't spell--same folks that dropped the "u" from colour and favour.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxB42cjHTGg&feature=player_detailpage

just for U curator.

[Larry Gibson]

Just a note; the RPM threshold is not a "speed limit". It is a threshold based on RPM and it is different depending on the twist of the barrel. The RPM threshold can also be moved up or down by several methods but with regular cast bullets all will have a threshold (depending on numerous things) and once that threshold is crossed the accuracy begins to go south. That is what 9.3x62AL is finding out.

Larry Gibson

[JIMinPHX]

He's trying to be nice and not use the RPM word.

Larry Gibson

Thanks,
That covers it for me.

[PAT303]

Sounds like we need a GB on a loverin style 150grainer. Pat