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Onty
12-09-2011, 10:10 AM
I was looking for boolit for my 44 Rugers in 300-310 grains weight range, and as far as I could see, there is no active or pending GB. Since we are talking about heavy boolits, intended for large game, IMHO, LBT with large meplat dia and gas check for better accuracy and to eliminate leading is the way to go. Yeah, we love our SWC designed by Keith, and we shoot these more than all others combined. However, they are not the only game in the town. I would strongly suggest to read this thread first http://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2911043/m/2391097721/p/1 and look what bfrshooter (he is our member here, 44man) had done with right boolit.

Now, pay attention to something interesting on his boolits; he incorporated into nose design a conical area that has the same angle as forcing cone on revolver barrel. The point is that our standard Ruger, S&W, Colt, etc. revolvers do not have perfect cylinder-to-barrel alignment, and noted cone on the boolit helps to align it while entering the barrel. Since Rugers have 5° (included angle) forcing cone, I started thinking about LWN boolit that will have same forcing cone angle. I am aware that 11° is accepted as the optimum angle. However, in less than perfect revolvers for us ordinary mortals, 5° angle might have the edge if right boolit is used, because in the most critical moment, when boolit hits forcing cone, contact surface more than doubles when compared with 11° one, thus reducing boolit deformation.

Here is my version of noted boolit for Rugers:

http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g337/Onty50/44-310-LWN-GC-1.jpg

Nominal dia; .432
Weight; solid FP using WW, with GC: 310 gr (suggested)
Meplat dia: .340
Crimp to meplat: .445
OAL, with GC: .845

As for the weight, I would not go less than 300 grains, however, if majority thinks we should go bit more, I am open for such option, as well as for change of any other design feature.

I am thinking about both, solid FP and HP Cramer mould versions, in brass blocks. Miha agrees to make these ones.

Please, take a look and let me know what do you think, should we go for it? I hope that 44man will chim here and let us know what he thinks.

41 mag fan
12-09-2011, 09:44 PM
I'd be interested in this mold.
Never thought about going heavier than the 255gr Keith, but I'm game to try it.

contender1
12-13-2011, 12:33 AM
I think the idea is interesting. I would stay with the 300 grn weight range. Keep me in mind as someone who'd try it.

Onty
12-13-2011, 08:43 PM
I think the idea is interesting. I would stay with the 300 grn weight range. Keep me in mind as someone who'd try it.

Seems to me that this design has the edge over all others, 44man must be on something. Here are some of his targets:

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg3/bfrshooter/44at200ydswith330grjpg.jpg http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg3/bfrshooter/22BHN.jpg http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg3/bfrshooter/30BHN.jpg

Considering that some of the groups are made using standard SBH, results speak for themselves. As I mentioned, boolit above I designed for Ruger specifically, with front boolit cone to match 5° barrel forcing cone.

Hope 44man is going to post some more details and pictures.

GLL
12-13-2011, 09:57 PM
Is his crimp groove really that wide and deep? It appears to be deeper than the lube groove in the drawing!

Jerry

Onty
12-13-2011, 11:08 PM
Is his crimp groove really that wide and deep? It appears to be deeper than the lube groove in the drawing!

Jerry

Yes, but just few thousands. Actually, crimp groove is the same as on Keith's H&G #503 (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=95468) .

GLL
12-15-2011, 12:21 AM
I guess the narrow bands just make the crimp groove look so much bigger and deeper !
I would be interested in a 2-cavity HP @ 300 grains (solid weight).

Jerry

67bear
12-16-2011, 06:51 PM
I'm interested in a 2 cavity HP

Sagebrush7
12-16-2011, 08:45 PM
I am interested in a double cavity HP.

Onty
12-17-2011, 01:10 AM
Thanks folks. I would like to inform you that Miha can also supply penta HP pins, as well as blank ones for solid FP.

FYI, Miha makes Cramers so you can flip HP pins and cast solid FP. However, in this setup, points are sticking out from the bottom of the mould and it's easy to damage them. For just bit more (about $16, was before), you can get solid FP pins and avoid this potential problem.