.32 Winchester Special

[TXGunNut]

First new cartridge in years, have read a bit about the 32 Special here and found a nice one tonight. Very plain but very clean, doubt it's been fired over a dozen times, if that. Built in 1969. Amazing.
Couldn't find a thread about loading for it, Lyman doesn't have much either. I suppose with a .30-30 and a .35 Remmy I won't have any surprises. RD has his moulds on sale so that's a good start.
Wondering if I can neck up 30-30 brass? Seems I have plenty of that lying around.
Suggestions?

[Rangefinder]

30-30 brass necks right up in a single stroke on sizing, so you're good there. As to loading for it, I generally start at the bottom of the scale for 30-30 and work up from there. My favorite is a PP'd 30-30 160gr. flat-nose over 29.5gr. H335. Keep in mind if you're using 30-30 brass though. A 30-30 load will chamber in it, and rattle all the way down the pipe. On the bright side, a .32 Win will NOT chamber in a 30-30. So worst case if you mix them up is a little leading and no accuracy while you scratch your head for a minute and then groan. ;)

[frnkeore]

I had a Marlin 336, 32 Win Special back in the 90's. My best loads for it was with RL7 and the 323470. It shot ok (about 2" @100) with 27.0 gr 2146 fps, 19 fps SD, 2,585 OAL. My barrel was 24" lg. Alloy was 5% tin/WW.

Frank

[jlchucker]

TX, sounds like you lucked into a nice 94! There's some load data for the 32 Special in the Lyman Cast Bullet Manual #3 but it looks like they don't stock the molds for any of the boolits listed. Mike Venturino's book #Shooting Lever Guns of the Old West" has a bit of data for both jacketed and cast bullets. I was just on the Ranchdog website and he lists a gascheck mold for this application--and while I didn't check for data, he does show data for about every mold that he makes. He's a nice guy and a member of this website. Ranchdog might be a good place to look.

[P.K.]

NOE makes a mould for it I belive.

[roysha]

Just a side note: Back during WWII and into the late 40s and early 50s (possibly even before but I doubt reloading was much of an issue with most shooters prior to WWII) it was a common practice to use a 30-30 size die and a 32 expander ball to load 32 WS. The supply of reloading equipment was extremely limited and a lot of people did not have the money even if the tools were available. I loaded a lot of 32 WS that way and still have the old die and expander. Of course it over worked the brass but a few reloads, beat no reloads.

[Larry Gibson]

I would recommend the RCBS 32-170-FN cast bullet for that .32 SPL. 30-30 load data for the 311041 can be very safely used. The dandy thing about that Winchester M94 .32 SPL is the 16" twist. You can drive that cast bullet with medium burning powders (3031, 4895, Varget, H335, etc) to 2200+ fps for hunting with probable excellent accuracy with softer cast bullets for expansion. I would also take a look at the LeveRevolution powder with that bullet as I've had very good results with it under the 311041 in the 30-30.

Nice find BTW.

Larry Gibson

[Pirate69]

There is some reloading data at this location.


http://www.gmdr.com/lever/lowveldata.htm

[429421Cowboy]

Took him Sunday with my Great Grandfather's 1894 .32 WS at about 50 yards with a single shot, 170 j bullet. It's another interesting cartridge with an interesting history and purpose. Sweet deal!

[tuckerdog]

I have a single cav gc fp for the 32 spcl old ideal that still casts nice boolits 180grn if you are interested

[Rangefinder]

tuckerdog>> If he passes on that mold, I might be interested in talking with you about it!

[Bob in Revelstoke]

I use a Lee 8mm gas check boolit sized to .323 and use 30.30 lead boolit data. Works for me.

[bruce drake]

I use a Lee 8mm gas check boolit sized to .323 and use 30.30 lead boolit data. Works for me.

I do the same for my 32 Spl Winchester! The load combo works just great!

Bruce

[TXGunNut]

Mike Venturino's book "Shooting Lever Guns of the Old West" has a bit of data...jlchucker


Funny you should mention that book, it just happens to be on my nightstand but I haven't gotten to the 1894's yet.

[TXGunNut]

I have a single cav gc fp for the 32 spcl old ideal that still casts nice boolits 180grn if you are interested-tuckerdog

Yes, I'd be interested. For some reason I feel the .32 needs something heavier than a 170 gr pill, 180 might be something worth trying. Please PM me a catalog number and a price.

[TXGunNut]

There is some reloading data at this location.-Pirate69


Some? There's an awesome amount of data at that location! Wow! Had to add it to my favorites for closer study later.

[TXGunNut]

Nicely done, 429421Cowboy. I'll be long gone before my rifle has half the character yours does today. I'd love to hear the stories it could tell.

[Rangefinder]

For some reason I feel the .32 needs something heavier than a 170 gr pill, 180 might be something worth trying.

Actually, paper patching 30-30 160gr. FN and loading as jacketed (29-30gr H335 for me) produces one wicked shooter. It's an attention-getter without a doubt.

[Bret4207]

Very nice, balanced and useful cartridge. IMO it's just a bit better than the 30-30 in the same type rifle/carbine. Excellent with cast!

[429421Cowboy]

Nicely done, 429421Cowboy. I'll be long gone before my rifle has half the character yours does today. I'd love to hear the stories it could tell.

Thank you. I would love to try cast in it someday. It had sat at the back of the safe, unshot for 60 years when my brother and i dug it out and started quizzing Dad on it. It has my Grandfathers initials whittled into the stock, apparently with a pocket knife. The story goes that his father gave it to him when he bought himself a "new" used Winchester model 54 30/06 and that it was my Grandfathers first hunting rifle.
This thread has supprised me, i didn't think there was still as much interest in the old .32 ws as there is on this forum at least.

[sundog]

This thread has supprised me, i didn't think there was still as much interest in the old .32 ws as there is on this forum at least.

Around here, there is a lot of interest. One of the greatest cast boolit cartridges going!

[frnkeore]

The 32 Spec is a great cartridge and, I think it would still be very popular if it would have had a 190 - 200 gr loading at 2100 - 2000 fps. Now a days, that would be called light but, I really don't think that Elk and even Moose would say that :)

Frank

[Keith Sacane]

I found one a few years ago made in 1951, in almost new condition, for $225. I bought it, but I've never used it. I'm picking one caliber at a time to start casting for, and I haven't gotten to the 32 yet. Good luck with it.

[TXGunNut]

Originally Posted by 429421Cowboy
This thread has supprised me, i didn't think there was still as much interest in the old .32 ws as there is on this forum at least.



Not really surprised, have read a fair bit about it around here. I remember when a friend bought one when they "reintroduced" it in a special edition 94 several years ago, have read about it a time or two since then. Seemed too interesting not to give it a try.

[caseyboy]

The small buck in my avatar picture was taken with a M94 32WS using the Lyman 321297 pushed with 8.5 grains of Reddot.

[tacklebury]

I have a Winchester Model 94 purchased for my Grandmother in 1926 that I'm loading for with 170gr. cast. I don't think it particularly loves the bullet as it's shooting about 6" groups with it, but need to do some more experimentation. It's a slick little gun though for carrying while hunting. ;)

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-8TTvBdbpVV4/Ts7YUqu4iPI/AAAAAAAAApI/8JgnWwtLD7s/s800/Winchester_Model_94_32_Special.JPG

[TXGunNut]

Looks like I'm headed home to do some casting tomorrow. Five day hunt shortened to two. Was hoping the deer will honor Pearl Harbor day tomorrow by attacking our guns with red & white targets on their sides but they seem to be very uncooperative.
Today was day two of a management hunt, 40+ hunters in the field and one deer in the cooler. :-(

[Big Rack]

Thanks for the thread I have a Marlin 336 in .32 special, Ithought I would have to fire form cartridges and since I've zero experience in anything but basic reloading I kinda put it on the "someday shelf" think I'll have to give it a try.

[TXGunNut]

A Marlin? Cool! I'll probably size a few 30-30 as well as 32 Spcl cases later today, guess I could do that while the furnace is heating up. Will be interesting to see the differences, if any. I guess all of my loading has been pretty basic too.
Go for it, BR. I had to wait until I ran across a rifle I liked, I think you're running out of excuses.

[TXGunNut]

Cast a big handful of RD's 323-170's. Dropped @ about 177gr. Decided to try heat treating them as well as some 460-350's to see if that helps. I'm thinking I'll try to get 2100 fps out of the .32 and I'm trying to get my 45-70 to pick up the pace a bit also.
Guess I better get serious about powder choices, may be loading in a day or two. Could even shoot the old girl this Sunday!

[TXGunNut]

Weellll.....2 out of three ain't bad, and one of the good ones ( see 45-70 load thread) was pretty awesome. New-to-me .32 WS 94 was pretty miserable today, with sights bottomed out it was hitting +/- 6" high, 4" left...at 50 yds. :shock: And the boolits were wobbling.:shock:
Happened to have a receiver sight on a 94 that don't get out much but not sure what to do to keep the boolits from wagging their tails. Think I'll increase the powder charge a bit. Last three fired are pretty well centered but I was aiming for the lower right corner.
Load:
RD 323-170GC-heat treated
27.0 RL7
2.435 COAL
modified RP 30-30 cases
210M primers

[frnkeore]

Is your rifle a 20" barrel? If so, the velocity will be much lower than the 24" that I had and your velocity lower by at least 80 fps and your bullet longer, possibly causing the tipping.

The bullet that I used with that load (323470) is only 7/8 long. I'm guessing that yours is around 1" to 1.06 lg and that is the reason that it's tipping like that.

31.0 gr of Rx7 is safe with a 170 jacketed. I would suggest that you raise the powder charge to 29.0 and try it again.

Frank

[TXGunNut]

31.0 gr of Rx7 is safe with a 170 jacketed. I would suggest that you raise the powder charge to 29.0 and try it again.-Frank


Actually it's a bit over .9" but that's a good point. RD boolits have a big meplat but this one is a bit long for the caliber.
That's what I'm thinking as well, was thinking 28 tho. Probably too small a step up, 29 makes sense. Kicking around 34 grs 748 and 27 grs 4198. Will kick it around more in a little while over coffee.

[Larry Gibson]

TXGunNut

Have you slugged the throat and Bore? With the longer bullet and 16" twist in the barrel you'll need to be at top end velocity to stabilize that bullet. You might consider LeveRevolution powder. You can keep the psi down while getting top end+ velocities.

Larry Gibson

[TXGunNut]

I do need to slug the bore, Larry. Meant to do that earlier in the project but some time opened up and I wanted to shoot it. Think I'll clean it at the end of today's session and do that tonight. Should be able to break down a OOB shotgun shell and find some suitable slugs, a good whack on an anvil should bring it up to the correct size. Never slugged a throat but might as well, will have eight more balls good for little else.
Haven't heard much about LR powder but will pick up some RL7 @ Cabelas tonight, maybe they'll have some LR too. Loaded 28 and 28.5 for today, considering 27 grs of 4198 as well. 748 looks good too. My j-bullet 30-30 load is 748.

[Larry Gibson]

Be interesting to see what the bore slugs out at along with the throat. LeveRevolution powder will aloow you to get 150 - 200 fps more with the same bullet at the same psi's as with the other powders mentioned. Works great in the 30-30 with 311041s and shoul;d do as well in the 32 SPL. Hornady has a factory LeveRevolution load with 165 jacketed bullets so the LeveRevolution powder is compatable with the 170 cast. However, if your not wanting top end performance for hunting then the powders you have will/should do nicely.

Larry Gibson

[tacklebury]

Might try doing a coat of Lee Liquid Alox on em. Cut my group size in half this last set. ;)

[Char-Gar]

Cast bullet shooters quickly fall in love with the 32 Win. Special. That 1-16 barrel allows cast bullets to be fired at full factory velocity with top notch accuracy.

[frnkeore]

If your bullet is only .900 lg, the tipping is not because of low velocity, you have something else wrong. Have you shot the rifle with jacketed bullets? If so, how did it shoot?

It could be gas cutting or the crown on the muzzle could have some damage. If you can get a accurate throat measurement, size .001 over that, if not, size .002 over groove diameter.

In my 16 twist 32/40's, I can shoot a 1.03 long, 190 gr bullet at 1350 fps w/o any tipping at all..

Frank

[TXGunNut]

32 did better today, 28 and 28.5 grs of RL7 eliminated the wobbles but still pretty terrible group size, mostly vertical. Think I'll try 748 and 4198 next, they're a bit faster. My Trapper in .30-30 likes 748 and I have plenty of it and 4198 on hand. Receiver sight worked like a charm for my aging eyes, kinda wish it was tapped for a tang sight, tho.
Using LLA and Rooster Jacket for lubes, seem to be working well but haven't cleaned it yet. Bore is good, appeared to be unfired but is almost new. Crown looks good.
Haven't decided what I want from this rifle, Larry. I have more than a few good hunting rifles so I didn't buy it with that in mind. OTOH a hard cast RD boolit of 177 grs. @ 2100 fps should do nicely for anything I care to hunt here in TX. RD's boolits like to go fast. I knew that before I started this project, might as well turn it up a notch.

[P.K.]

This thread has supprised me, i didn't think there was still as much interest in the old .32 ws as there is on this forum at least.

With this crowd it shouldn't. :bigsmyl2:

I am slowly but with little success to try and pry a Win 94 in .32 WSPC out of Dorf's (My Da) hands and he's holding on with both! ;-)

The .32 WSPC is unique and a great medium game round. I have never taken game with it but it's without a doubt a great performer and would be a +1 on the addition to anyones inventory. ;-)

[TXGunNut]

Have you slugged the throat and Bore? -Larry Gibson

Bore is .320, land is .317-.318. Seemed tight at the muzzle and another constriction about where the rear sight dovetail is. Long day, decided cleaning three rifles and slugging the bore was enough for one evening.

[frnkeore]

TX,
Are you saying that the groove diameter is .320 and the land is .317 - .318? If so, your rifling is only .001 to .0015 deep. It needs to be .003 (.314 - .320) deep. Your bullet may be "skipping" over the rifling. If that is so, try .320 - .321 jacketed.

Frank

[BruceB]

I have a pair of .32s. One is a Marlin Model 36 dating from the mid-1940s, and for some reason the .32 barrels from that era (or at least some of them) are severely undersize. Mine has a groove diameter of . 318, I believe. A few years ago, another member here named "oldfeller" had a similar rifle and contacted Marlin about it. They admitted that the .32 rifles of that time were bored undersize. Also the twist was 1 in 10".

At that time, Sundog opined that what we had is "fat .30-30s", and I'm inclined to agree with him. Whatever the dimensions, when proper-sized cast bullets are used the rifle reacts rather nicely. It also shoots jacketed .321s very well, but it doesn't see many of those.

The other rifle is a Model 64 Winchester, which does have "normal .32" dimensions and twist.

[felix]

Might have been left over German 8mm barrels before the standard was upped to a genuine 8mm? A through twist check might show if this is a feasible truth. 10.0 twist would indicate American specs rather than German? ... felix

[BruceB]

We raised that possibility with Marlin , but they said no, all their barrels were new production with "non-military" tooling.

Just one of those mysterious things, I suppose. After the passing of fifty years or more, who knows just how much VALID information remains in the hands of a manufacturer?

[P.K.]

We raised that possibility with Marlin , but they said no, all their barrels were new production with "non-military" tooling.

Just one of those mysterious things, I suppose. After the passing of fifty years or more, who knows just how much VALID information remains in the hands of a manufacturer?

Too true, and with Marlin just changing hands recently?

[Char-Gar]

The 32 Winchester Special may have lost most of it following among hunters and general shooters, it just grows in stature with cast bullet rifle shooters. It is our dream levergun! So there should be no surprise that it is favored so highly by folks in this board that know their way around cast bullets and rifles.

five years back Griffin and Howe was trying to sell a minty 1959 vintage Winchester 94 carbine in 32WS and was not having any luck. The collectors were running from it as it has a recoil pad and a Lyman 66 rear sight installed and the stock has been refinished after the installation of the pad. The price kept dropping and when it hit $300 I picked up the phone and bought it.

I loaded up some RCBS 170 FN over 30/H335 and went to the range. The rifle was pretty well sighted in as it was and my first 5 shot group caused my jaw to hit the bench. One ragged hole, followed by five more groups of the same size. This is all it took for me to understand the cast bullet magic of the 32 WS and those 1-16 barrels.

So wonder not, why we are so proud of these rifles.

[woody1]

I have a pair of .32s. One is a Marlin Model 36 dating from the mid-1940s, and for some reason the .32 barrels from that era (or at least some of them) are severely undersize. Mine has a groove diameter of . 318, I believe. A few years ago, another member here named "oldfeller" had a similar rifle and contacted Marlin about it. They admitted that the .32 rifles of that time were bored undersize. Also the twist was 1 in 10".

At that time, Sundog opined that what we had is "fat .30-30s", and I'm inclined to agree with him. Whatever the dimensions, when proper-sized cast bullets are used the rifle reacts rather nicely. It also shoots jacketed .321s very well, but it doesn't see many of those.

The other rifle is a Model 64 Winchester, which does have "normal .32" dimensions and twist.


FWIW - Info from Marlin Firearms Corp, the nominal bore dimensions for the 32 Special for both the 36 and 336 were .313 bore and .318 groove. After 1955 they were supposed to be .318 and .321 respectively. Twist on all is supposed to be 1:16" Regards, Woody

[frnkeore]

Very interesting. So, mine must have been a pre '55 and the post '55's must be MicroGroove barrels. You for sure want a lot of bullet in the grooves and a short nose with that. If it were my rifle, I'd try jacketed to see what it can do and use that as a base line for accuracy for cast.

Frank

[woody1]

Guess I should have posted the whole thing......Marlin 36 up to 1946 was supposed to be 6 groove. Marlin 36 and subsequent 336 had 4 grooves until 1955 and then changed to 16 as did all the 336's. Just a little more nuisance info....in '58 the 30-30 groove count bounced up to 22 and later dropped to 12 as did the 35 Rem. Regards, Woody

[TXGunNut]

If it were my rifle, I'd try jacketed to see what it can do and use that as a base line for accuracy for cast.-Frank


Maybe so, Frank. It's just that I bought this 94 as a CB project to explore an interesting cartridge. I've only tried one load and two variations of that load so far. I've got a long way to go before I give up on CB's for this rifle. I'll try measuring the slug again but I'm still betting I can make those .323 RD boolits work. If not I'll try something else but with my stubborn disposition and the learned advice I get around here I'm pretty sure I can make this CB project a success.


:cbpour:

[TXGunNut]

Had issues with seating depth (lube-fouled seating die) and inconsistent crimp (short cases) yesterday but discovered them too late in the loading process so shot them anyway with predictable results. :( Addressed them with a good die-cleaning and some handpicked new WW cases and kicked up the powder charge a bit for good measure. Yesterday's loads were a bit conservative for these hard RD boolits (35 & 35.5 748 and 27 4198) but I wanted to ease my way up. Today's loads are 36 & 36.5 748.
I'm gonna figure this old girl out someday, hoping today's the day. :mrgreen:

[mroliver77]

Is the RD a bore rider? If so does the nose fit snug in the bore? What size is the boolit body? Are you sizing them or shooting as cast? With the "odd" dimensions of the groove/bore it might need a full body size boolit .

If no joy comes do a throat impression to get a handle on throat dimensions.
J

[TXGunNut]

Fired two pretty warm loads under the RD 323-170 boolit today and those guys do indeed like to go fast.:Fire: Fired two groups @ 50 yds, peep sights off sandbags, and liked what I saw, liked it so much I blew the 5th shot in the best group. Seems very much to like 36.5 grs Varget so will try it again and will also try .2 above and below just for grins. 37grs (Hodgdon site's max load) was a bit too hot, group size doubled and was somewhat vertical. No pressure signs with either load.
I wouldn't call the RD boolits a bore riding design, mroliver77, but they do fit snugly in the bore and throat. Check out Ranch Dog's site for more details and drawings. I size them to .323 in a Lee sizer and use one coat of LLA and a second coat of Rooster Jacket. They're also heat treated and wear Hornady GC's.http://castboolits.gunloads.com/imagehosting/thum_200614ef6762a75690.jpg (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=3109)

[Marvin S]

Have owned it for over a year but not shot it yet, been too busy with the 25-20's and a 25-35. I have done lots of shooting with the 32-40 so dont expect to many problems with the 32WS.

[TXGunNut]

Wow, nice rifle Marvin!

[Marvin S]

Thanks TX, guess I should have posted what it is. Mod 64 Winchester made in the mid 1940's

[Canuck Bob]

Man, those 64s are nice rifles. I do prefer the look to my 94. Nice rifle Marvin.

[Kegcaissy]

I do the same for my 32 Spl Winchester! The load combo works just great!

Bruce

Old thread revival!!!

Do you use that boolit in the tube magazine??

[Pb&j]

Thanks for the bump Keg. This thread was a great help. I have had the luck of receiving a 32spl from 1925 land in my lap a bit ago. My smith went over it and even though it looks like it got dragged around through the woods quite a bit, he said it had very little shots through it. He used the words "pristine mechanically and worthy". Was shocked. Other than a bent silver front sight that was replaced, it shoots the lever evolution bullet okay but not perfect. Need to learn it and start to play. Happy to know this old girl has such a respect with handloaders and casters. Should be a fun project. Sadly was out of casting due to life issues but no more. This site is awesome.

[richhodg66]

I haven't had it out for a while, but my .32 Special shoots cast quite well. 232038232039

[bob208]

I used to use the lyman 8 m/m 165 gr. rn mold for .32 spl. and .32-40. I got a rcbs 170 fn gas check mold off ebay. I cast some up they are going to be my .32 bullets from now on.

[Nrut]

So Tex, how did your .32sp end up shooting at 100yds. with those RD bullets?
I have a .32sp myself but no decent mold for it is why I ask..
Thx.

[Tracy]

I always thought a pre-'64 M94 in .32 WS would be just about the perfect cast bullet levergun.

[Texas by God]

The Lee C324175 might be good in the .32 Win Special if you file a flat on the nose for tube mag use. An inexpensive experiment?

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[sundog]

I always thought a pre-'64 M94 in .32 WS would be just about the perfect cast bullet levergun.

It is.

That's all I have to say about that.

[Geppetto]

I have a nice flatband that's a joy to shoot and load for. Use the rcbs 170 over 3031 for hunting. Use a 165 from an old ideal mold over universal for plinking. I use 30/30 brass for the plinking loads.

This fall I had a boar to butcher. Shot him with the 170 over 30 grains of 3031. Bullet went through the skull and neck, probably 20+" of born and muscle. Complete pass through. Made a roast right up to the hole. Fun gun to shoot and effective

[hockeynick39]

I am using the original .32 W.S. Winchester single cavity mold for my 1965 .32 Special. My original loads were using 29.7 gr RL-7, but things got a little out of whack. Not sure what, but I am going back and going to try some different powders and what-not. Bore has been scrubbed, so no copper or lead. May even try some PC boolits along with it.

https://www.etsy.com/listing/183071687/vintage-winchester-32-165-bullet-mold

[Kegcaissy]

Thanks for the bump Keg. This thread was a great help. I have had the luck of receiving a 32spl from 1925 land in my lap a bit ago. My smith went over it and even though it looks like it got dragged around through the woods quite a bit, he said it had very little shots through it. He used the words "pristine mechanically and worthy". Was shocked. Other than a bent silver front sight that was replaced, it shoots the lever evolution bullet okay but not perfect. Need to learn it and start to play. Happy to know this old girl has such a respect with handloaders and casters. Should be a fun project. Sadly was out of casting due to life issues but no more. This site is awesome.

No problems sir!

[358 Win]

I've got four .32 WS carbines in my gun safe. Two Marlins (1951 SC, & 1957 SC) and two 94's (1948 & 1963) and all four love shooting cast bullets from 1600 fps up to 2300 fps. The three molds I have are the RCBS 08-170 (182 grains with my WW tin alloysized lubed, & checked ), a Ranch Dog 323-170 (which also weigh 182 grains sized, lubed & checked) and an old Lyman 321-29man7 which weigh 180 grains lubed, sized, and checked. I have had great success with the RCBS and Ranch Dog molds but no matter what I've tried with the Lyman mold, nothing and I do mean nothing has worked with that boolit. No matter if it was high tide, low tide, Winter, Spring, Summer or Fall, nor any sizing diameter or lube, nothing has worked. Using the other two however has been pure fun and satisfaction. I used Alliant 2400 powder to achieve 1600 fps and 1" groups at 50 yards. My top load using Leverevolution Powder achieves 2300 fps and all shots touch at 50 yards. No leading occurs with either speed and the muzzle always shows the "star" lube mark. The only other caliber in my weaponry giving me as much joy are my Marlin 1894C from 1979 and my Marlin 1894 Cowboy (24" barrel) from 1999. If God made two better cast boolit shooters than the .32 WS and the .357 Magnum, he kept them for Himself and He is not sharing with us!!
358 Win