Have we ever done a 200gr .40 Cal WFN?

[harley45]

This style is very popular with 10mm guys and I'd love a brass 4 cavity in it so I was wondering if we have ever run a Group Buy on one?
Thanks

[USAF Shirt]

Not that I am aware of, but I would be in for one for sure!

[Aloxite]

I'd be in for one if we can get it going.

[thegreatdane]

I'm in.

[slaird]

I’m in for one as well.

[SwedeNelson]

Something to look at.

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/swedenelson/1111-190-40Cal200GrWFNCG.jpg

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/swedenelson/1111-190-40Cal189GrWFNHPCG.jpg

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/swedenelson/1111-190-40Cal200GrWFNCARTCG.jpg

If this would work, can do it with the tooling we have so it would be a SGB (small group buy)
Only five orders to get it on the scheduale. And can do brass or aluminum.
It would be PB only no GC and we can do RG's.

Swede Nelson

[Mike_60]

Would RG's be available and, if so, gotta pic of how it would look?

[Idaho Sharpshooter]

Sounds like a deal to me.

Although, I wonder about that heavy a boolet. Seems to me we would be duplicating the medium weights in a 45 acp.

just curious...

Rich

[SwedeNelson]

Mike_60

Added picture and info

Swede Nelson

[harley45]

I think the reason the 200gr is so popular is that we can push it harder in 10mm than we can in 45 and with the better sectional density it penetrates better and makes a heck of a hunting bullet.

That said I'll honcho this one if we think we have enough.

[harley45]

O yeah I want brass

[USAF Shirt]

Beautiful design! I am with Harley..a 4 cavity (brass) would be my choice as well. What would be the final price on this, considering it will most likely be a Small Group Buy?

[Aloxite]

Sorry for the newb question but what does the acronym RG stand for?

[SwedeNelson]

RG is our fixed pin HP system
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/swedenelson/452250GrRFMould002.jpg

The name comes from "Rube Goldberg"
http://mousetrapcontraptions.com/contraption.gif

Just something so I can smile every time I sale one.
Swede Nelson

[harley45]

I believe I want two, one plain and one rg, Hey Swede since we are doing this one any chance of doing a pointy mold in .40 cal as a small group buy?

[Aloxite]

Thanks Swede. That is hilarious. Suddenly I have the music in my head from the Looney Tunes cartoons that was played when they had the complicated assembly line machinery working.

If at all possible I'd love to get a mold that was partially Rube Goldburg. I'd love to get both hollow points and solid. But I don't think I can justify two molds.

[SciFiJim]

One of the nice things about RG molds is that they come with hollow point pins and pins to cast flat points. You can use the same mold to cast both.

[harley45]

O.K. I just want one in brass then. (oh wait if I'm goanna honcho this I just need to tell myself)

[Aloxite]

One of the nice things about RG molds is that they come with hollow point pins and pins to cast flat points. You can use the same mold to cast both.

Now that I look closely at the parts in Swede's picture I can see both sets of pins. What a great setup. The more I look at Swede's work the more I can tell that this mold is a good investment. I think I will splurge the extra to get it in brass.

[bigjason6]

How much are we looking at for either? I might be interested. Thanks!

[Got-R-Did]

If anyone is willing to cast me some Boolits for my T/C Contender 10" Bull in 10MM in this flavor, do not hesitate to contact me when the moulds arrive.
Cheers,
Got-R-Did.

[sewerman68]

I am interested, 4 banger, no hollow point.

[thegreatdane]

Swede, since this is for two auto cartridges, may we remove the crimp groove?

[SwedeNelson]

thegreatdane

Its in the tooling we have on hand.
We can cut new tooling if that is what every one wants.
Just need to get 15 orders.

Swede Nelson

[harley45]

Sweede is goint to post a thread furthering this mold! I'm in even with a crimp groove as I may also use it in my38/40

[yondering]

Swede, since this is for two auto cartridges, may we remove the crimp groove?

+1, I'd be in if there were no crimp groove. I'd prefer no groove to maximize case capacity, and it's not needed or wanted for auto cartridges anyway.

[harley45]

I can do with or without and I am in for two molds so we should be close

[harley45]

Sweede can you do a drawing without the crimp groove?

[tchepone]

I would like one: Aluminum w/RG pins.
I would like the crimp groove. I will be using it in a .401 Magnum.

Thanks...tchepone

[SwedeNelson]

NEW bullet with out crimp groove.

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/swedenelson/1111-190-40Cal200GrWFNREV2.jpg

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/swedenelson/1111-190-40Cal189GrWFNHPREV2.jpg

Would need to get 15 orders to cover the new tooling cost and get it on the schedule.

Swede Nelson

[harley45]

O.K. you guys have seen both ideas so we need to see how many we have for the non crimp groove version.
I'm in for one of either as I could use the crimp groove in 38-40
I don't think we have 15 non crimp grooves but I could be wrong. we only need 5 for a small group buy..... if we do a crimp groove

[thegreatdane]

Swede, I'd be interested in the non-crimp groove version; however, I'd like to see a larger rear driving band (move the lube grooves forward), if that's not too much to ask. The rationale behind this desire is to help prevent leading from softer alloy.

Everyone, is this flawed logic, or would a larger rear driving band be benificial? I'm sizing .402, but a large rear driving band seems like a good idea - especially in a heavy 10mm.

[69daytona]

Im interested in a 4 cavity aluminum RG. let me know when it starts. this is what I was looking for.

[harley45]

Looking at the drawings I'm now starting to wonder if that crimp groove will leave enough room to apply the taper crimp for autos?

[SwedeNelson]

Updated drawings

Take a look at what is in post #30
Bigger base band (1) lube groove and plenty of room to taper crimp.
Be a good bullet for autos.

Can run the other one as a different buy if there is enough interest.

What do you say?
Swede Nelson

[harley45]

I want the boolit in post 30 brass mold no hp

[yondering]

Updated drawings

Take a look at what is in post #30
Bigger base band (1) lube groove and plenty of room to taper crimp.
Be a good bullet for autos.

Can run the other one as a different buy if there is enough interest.

What do you say?
Swede Nelson

I like it, except for one thing - if cast slightly large, and then sized to .001" over throat diameter, that bullet will require a pretty short OAL for reliable chambering in an auto. Can your software stretch the nose back into the front driving band a bit more, and/or make a small step (.005" would be plenty) at the front driving band/nose junction? Just something to keep the sized area from being way out in front of the case when bullets cast oversized.

Edit - something like the bullet on the right, to prevent what happened with the bullet on the left. (The one on the right is a 220gr .410 bullet with about a .015" step at the front driving band, which I size down to .401" for the 10mm. Delete the crimp groove and one driving band, and it would be very similar to the 200gr drawn above, but with a step at the front driving band.)
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c26/zthang43/Bang/Misc/IMG_0101a.jpg

[BCall]

I've been watching this, and I would buy an RG4 of the first design if there are 4 others for a SGB. If everyone wants to remove the crimp groove, I would be out, as I would like the crimp groove for a 38-40 and 10mm rimmed revolver.

[thegreatdane]

I want the boolit in post 30 brass mold no hp

Same here. I'd like the boolit in post 30 also. No HP, no crimp groove. It looks great!

[bowfin]

I have a Herter's .401 with a convertible .38-40 cylinder, so I would be interested in a boolit with a crimp groove.

[sargenv]

Not to mention those who use their 10's in a revolver.. crimp grooves can be handy for that situation.. (think S&W 610)..

[Aloxite]

I'd prefer to not have the crimp groove. Hopefully we have enough interest to run both.

[yondering]

If we do keep the crimp groove, can we have a step in the nose; a 200gr version of the bullet in my picture earlier?

[harley45]

O.K. by my count we have 9 that want a crip groove and 4 for one without.

i'm for a SGB with the crimp groove. Sweede can we get some pricing and perhaps a rough idea on delivery?

[69daytona]

I will take either as I can use these in my 40 autos and my Win 73 in 38-40.

[USAF Shirt]

The with/without crimp groove discussion got me thinking...my 10mm platform is a G-20, and chances are it will stay that way. I'd be in for one without the crimp groove. If I ever got a Smith 610, etc. I firm crimp from a LEE FCD would probably be more than enough to prevent movement. Maintaining the metplat size (within reliable feeding limits) is my main concern, which is why I opted out of the previous 200 Gr TC group buy. It seems the Doubletap/beartooth and LBT Ogive and Metplat dimensions are proven in a majority of autos, so staying as true to those as possible would be my choice. I would feel totally comfortable leaving the intricacies of base band dimensions, etc. up to group consensus.

In short, I am definitely in for one without the crimp groove (post 30)..

[harley45]

back to the top with a crimp groove is still leading

[thegreatdane]

Swede, I just noticed the 10mm drawing is over the max OAL of 1.260.

How's it look at that length?

[harley45]

Good Catch!

[SwedeNelson]

harley45, others

That crimp groove is just in the wrong place.
On a 38-40 its .012 to long too.
I would have to say lets take the crimp groove version off
the table and run with the the one with out (post #30).

Will put up a new drawing for one with a crimp groove down the road.

Can and will do what ever you want.
What do you say?

Swede Nelson

[thegreatdane]

I say, I'm in without a crimp groove! Can't wait to run this through my G20!

[yondering]

How about a step at the front driving band, on the bullet in post #30? Am I the only one that sees the need for this? It sure would save a lot of frustration with oversized bullets or tight throats.

[harley45]

I'm in gor one with out so who is now left?

[bld451]

Yondering, you are not the only one. I think it would be a worthwhile addition.

[harley45]

I go along with the step also

[BCall]

If the crimp groove is removed, I'll pass. Thanks, Billy

[USAF Shirt]

I agree with yondering on the step as well.

[SwedeNelson]

This is what we will base the buy on.

If every one is in agreement.

Will post a new interest thread on a GC version ASAP.

Thanks
Swede Nelson

[harley45]

I'm in

[yondering]

I'm in for that, looks good.

Is the .300" nose dimension actually to the front edge of the driving band, or somewhere in the middle of the band as the drawing shows? If so, what is the nose length on this bullet?

[bld451]

I can't believe this. I have heard about it, but never thought it would happen to me. I'm seriously considering a mold for a gun I don't even own yet. Is this just wrong?

[SciFiJim]

I can't believe this. I have heard about it, but never thought it would happen to me. I'm seriously considering a mold for a gun I don't even own yet. Is this just wrong?

You are asking that HERE!? We won't tell you it is wrong. We WILL help you feed your addiction! I have three times a many molds as I do guns. I also have several calibers of molds that I don't have guns for YET!

[harley45]

I believe we still have enough for a small group but. What is the next step?

[SwedeNelson]

harley45, others

Have a group buy started.
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=137668

Swede Nelson

[_The_Shadow]

I just signed on for the group buy for the RG4 10mm / 40 cal 200 grain FN/HP. What is the estimated time for production of these molds?

Will we be contacted for payment? Delivery Info?

Thanks,

[harley45]

Shadow, I think the mold is on track for December 2013 delivery and you will receive a message when it is time to send Payment

[USAF Shirt]

Harley,

Is it Dec 2013, or 2012 for delivery? If its 2013, Id have to bow out of this one.