cast hollow points in

[white eagle]

a 45-70 ?
do any of you use them for hunting ?
I have a 400 gr hp that I am thinking of using on deer this season ...
any first hand experience with them??:lovebooli

[rintinglen]

I used the Lyman Gould bullet one year, but I got as many deer as they did me, so I really can't say I've had success. It shot well from my Marlin--but I didn't see anything with horns that year.

[Larry Gibson]

I use a GC'd 458483 HPid with a Forster 1/8 HP tool and then opened a bit more with a tapered drill to make a wide mouth HP. I cast these of 16-1 alloy and shoot them at 1400 fps out of my TD and 1850 out of my bolt action. They kill deer very well out of both.

A PB'd cast bullet of the same alloy can be driven to 1400+ fps with good hunting accuracy also.

Larry Gibson

[white eagle]

I have a few tags to fill this year so I am going to try
my NOE 400 gr hp ,its sort of a devastator looking hp so
I do believe it should open fairly nicely on a broadside shot on deer
my alloy will be mainly 16-1 but I may use straight isolead @10.5 bhn as well
been seeing deer all over my land but the rut is in full swing so I would expect to

[btroj]

Don't cast it too hard or drive it too fast. I shot a nice buck last year with the NOE 350 Ranch Dog HP. Too hard, too fast, poor penetration. I was above the deer, hit it on the shoulder. Bullet ended up in the neck. Blew the nose clean off.

Go with a softish alloy and go about 1300 and all will be good.

[white eagle]

alloy is 16-1 and velocity is around 1500 fps
do you thin that is too fast ?
my thoughts are even if I loose the nose
I have the boolit body to finish the journey
sound feasible ??

[northmn]

I took out a fork horn buck with the 320 Gould HP one year. I hit him a little far back and he ran a little ways but was stretched out very dead. Often they have their head up with the same hit. It was a BP load at a chronographed 1400 fps. 1-20 tin to lead. Some have claimed the Gould can be driven too fast and flatten too extreme, I have only tried it with BP. I did make a different pin for the HP and increase the weight to about 340 grains as the Gould mold has a really extreme cavity. Unless you plan on shooting at longer ranges, the 45-70 works very well at BP velocities.

DP

[white eagle]

on second thought I am going to use my Accurate molds 340 gr
I have a good load for that already thanks to Tom
its 53.0 gr a2015 and the 340 gr
no time to get a decent accurate load for the hp made ...
only have 13 days and need a load for the foe d foe

[btroj]

Depends on how deep the hollow point goes. I am starting to think a HP cavity for a rifle bullet shouldn't go much over 1/3 the length of the bullet, 1/4 may be better.
My 350 HP ended up being shorter than it was wide! Think about how long the bullet would be if the entire HP portin was lost- would it be long eough and heavy enough to still penetrate well?
Mine also was a worst case scenario- too hard an alloy, too much velocity, on the shoulder blade. It a bullet was going to fail then that would be a good recipe.
A 16-1 bullet at around 1300 to 1400 would be about ideal.

[JJC]

on second thought I am going to use my Accurate molds 340 gr
I have a good load for that already thanks to Tom
its 53.0 gr a2015 and the 340 gr
no time to get a decent accurate load for the hp made ...
only have 13 days and need a load for the foe d foe

This was a mule deer at fifty yards. Using 60/40 Stick on clip on heated and quenched. The first pic is the boolit entering the shoulder, the next is under the shoulder into the ribbs and the exit. I'd say you are fine without the HP. Mine is an Accurate boolit also, 46 405 R. John.

[1Shirt]

IMO, a good HP, (not to deep), or a big, wide flat meplat nose, cast about 14-15BH
and driven in the 1250-1400 fps range will be adequate out of a 45-70 on any deer.
1Shirt!:coffeecom

[6pt-sika]

I used the Gould HP cast from whelweights , aircoled and pushed with SR4759 . THink i was about 20 feet up a tree and a big bodied 6 point buck walked to 21 yards of the base of my tree . One shot and he was dead right there end of story !
Used a Marlin 1895CB for that one !

[white eagle]

I have discovered a vast array of pins so I can now change
the depth and shape of the hp in my 425 NOE
i am going to try a shallow(.250) penta pin and
@ that depth it is aprox 2/3 the nose length
excitement rules again

[45-70 Chevroner]

The last deer I shot was with an RCBS 180 gr GC flat point in a 25" barreled 30-30 rifle at 1800 FPS. The boolit actually weighed 192 grs with my alloy WW and 1 percent tin and water dropped . I was shooting up hill and at an angle from the rear at 80 long steps. That boolit went through the last rib and through both loungs and out the other side (upper right shoulder) and left an exit hole the size of a 1/2 dollar coin. I would say X2 with JJC, no hollow point for the 45-70. Case in point look at JJC's pictures again.