Barrel for a Long range Boolit Muzzy

[greywuuf]

If I were having the "perfect" barrel commissioned for playing the long range game with a muzzle loader, what would it be ?

Say I am interested in building a counter part to my current "tactical" rifle just for engaging targets at 600 yards and beyond ( not for competition as there just are not that many of them up here and I don't like shooting comps much anyway as I have to shoot on someone elses schedule ) But I want to shoot heavy long as high BC bullets as I can with a front stuffer, I am assuming PP. What twist /caliber/ Rifling style are we looking at ? PP stuff adher to the greenhill formula ( as much as anything does ) I am pretty sure there are parts of it I can not fill in the blanks for as I don't know the speeds and pressure one can expect from the fast twist PP arena.

any suggestions ?
Dan

[wgr]

[QUOTE=greywuuf;1425244]If I were having the "perfect" barrel commissioned for playing the long range game with a muzzle loader, what would it be ?

Say I am interested in building a counter part to my current "tactical" rifle just for engaging targets at 600 yards and beyond ( not for competition as there just are not that many of them up here and I don't like shooting comps much anyway as I have to shoot on someone elses schedule ) But I want to shoot heavy long as high BC bullets as I can with a front stuffer, I am assuming PP. What twist /caliber/ Rifling style are we looking at ? PP stuff adher to the greenhill formula ( as much as anything does ) I am pretty sure there are parts of it I can not fill in the blanks for as I don't know the speeds and pressure one can expect from the fast twist PP arena.

any suggestions ?
Dan[/QUOTE30/32in. barrel 1in20 twist, 45cal. , .451 bore , long 500+grain bullets. paper patched are lubed people shoot both. i like pp. most likely 3f powder. just my dimes worth:castmine:

[greywuuf]

Wow,
Thank you for the info and I am in no way doubting you, but 1in20 sounds so slow for heavy bullets. Just a different perspective I guess.
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[Hang Fire]

Wow,
Thank you for the info and I am in no way doubting you, but 1in20 sounds so slow for heavy bullets. Just a different perspective I guess.
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1 in 20 is in no way slow for a BP muzzleloader using boolits, for a round ball, 1 in 20 twist would be way too fast.


The standard 45-70 rifle twist is 1 in 20.

[Nazgul]

Look at the Whitworth reproductions. they are almost exactly what you describe.

Don

[wgr]

Look at the Whitworth reproductions. they are almost exactly what you describe.

Don

that and the gibbs long range rifle.dixie gun works

[curator]

A Gibbs .45 long range rilfe would have a 1 in 18 twist and be made for 480- 530 grain bullets, paper patched or grease grooved. Great fun if you don't mind recoil. These guns will really shoot out to 1300+ yards.

[greywuuf]

Ok wheels are turning and smoke is rising. most likely going to head off in this direction now. This sounds like a lot of fun. Man I wish I did not have so much fun building stuff.

[John Taylor]

One of the thing I played with years ago was using a short piece of the barrel for the bullet sizer. It was shrunk down a bit so the bullets would load easy and they had the rifling already so there was a mechanical fit to the bore.
A 45 with a 1-18 or 1-20 twist should work fine The old 45-70 with a 1-22 held the record at 800 yards for many years.
I have 48" of Whitworth barrel that I have been wanting to do something with, just never got around to it. Heard they foul easy.

[shunka]

It sounds as tho You may wish to replicate the Gibbs-Metford long range ML rifle which uses a gain twist :
http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/fusionbb/showtopic.php?tid/248541/

enjoy -
yhs
shunka

[Alan]

http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_92_186_191&products_id=8296&osCsid=d49651f5c8fc95b75291601dbdbd8dc3

I would look seriously at a .40, just to cut down the recoil.

[Boz330]

http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_92_186_191&products_id=8296&osCsid=d49651f5c8fc95b75291601dbdbd8dc3

I would look seriously at a .40, just to cut down the recoil.

Alan, check the twist on that rifle 1-24, way to slow for a 40. Pedersoli made the later ones in 1-16 which should be about right for a 40 cal boolit.

Bob

[Fly]

Yep 1-16 for .40 & 1-18 for .45.

Fly

[Alan]

ah, yes. This one:
http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_92_186_191&products_id=14022

[ResearchPress]

http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_92_186_191&products_id=8296&osCsid=d49651f5c8fc95b75291601dbdbd8dc3

I would look seriously at a .40, just to cut down the recoil.

I am not aware of any .40 cal rifles being used with any success against the commonly encountered .45 cal in any of the MLAIC World Long Range Championships.

David

[ResearchPress]

The most commonly encountered long range target rifles have a 32"-36" barrel length. .45 cal. shooting a 530-560 grain bullet. Many use paper patched bullets of a lead:tin alloy. Grease groove are also used with success. In the recent World Championships good results were had from some shooting 1:16 twist rifled barrels and .45 cal.

See my web site below for more info on long range shooting.

David

[Fly]

The most commonly encountered long range target rifles have a 32"-36" barrel length. .45 cal. shooting a 530-560 grain bullet. Many use paper patched bullets of a lead:tin alloy. Grease groove are also used with success. In the recent World Championships good results were had from some shooting 1:16 twist rifled barrels and .45 cal.

See my web site below for more info on long range shooting.

David

David who was the barrel maker for the 1-16 barrel?

Fly

[longranger]

The Pedersoli "Gibbs" rifles are the best rifles they make.Barrels are match grade with a special steel that was developed by the Germans in WWII.Only a few barrel makers use the this "special steel" as it is expensive to make.I do not recall what they called the "special steel" it was used in the German Mausers.
The Pedersoli Gibbs rifles have many current LRML records out to 1000 yds.
I bought mine from Buffalo Arms for just under $800.00 NIB,they are now well over $1200.00.
90grs.Swiss 1.5 and a resized P.J. 45001(.458>.449) Creedmoor bullet.I shoot silhouettes with this rifle and will take 10 rams(500m) without a miss on most days.The locks are O.K. but there are folks making upgraded parts for a faster lock time.The original Gibbs rifles are simply beautiful rifles.Recoil is not near what you would expect,34" barrels and large chunk of walnut and lead poured into the butt of the stock,I would not be without mine.I just wish an American company would build a Gibbs.
P.S. forget the .40 cal. in any twist and get a .45

[ResearchPress]

David who was the barrel maker for the 1-16 barrel?

That I know of, Badger and Krieger barrels were used.

David

[subsonic]

Why not go .35 caliber or smaller? I don't think you're going to like 400+gr boolits over a full charge of 3f....