NOE 360160 WFN group buy

[SciFiJim]

NOE 360160 Wide Flat Nosed Group Buy is Here.
360160 Wide Flat Nosed Group Buy is Now Open.


This is a shorter, lighter version of the very successful NOE 360180WFNGC boolit that has the gas check shank removed to the first driving band. It was an idea proposed by Cord for his .38 special. This will only be available as a plain based boolit.

This group buy will be run in conjunction with the Brass only 360180 group buy currently being run. It will close and ship at the same time, so time is short. Current production schedule is in December.

The molds will be produced by Night Owl Enterprises (NOE) in their 1, 2 and 4 cavity Brass mold blocks as well as the 1-5 cavity aluminum mold blocks. They will be available in the RG2 and RG4 configuration in both Brass and Aluminum. Hollow pointing a single cavity in the non-RG mold blocks is available.

Please indicate what you want in your order. You can also order your mold with a cavity drilled for the temp probe that NOE offers (Link with explanation HERE (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=100997)).


The group buy will run until about two weeks before production. I will make a final call for payments then.

Wide Flat Nosed Boolit

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/picture.php?albumid=170&pictureid=4351

Hollow Pointed Boolit
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/picture.php?albumid=170&pictureid=4350

This it what it will look like. (This is a 360180 with the gas check shank cut off.)
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/picture.php?albumid=170&pictureid=4352

Brass molds will be machined in C360 Free-Cutting Brass.

Aluminum molds will be machined from 2024 Aluminum used for high strength structural and aircraft applications. Tensile strength range 30,000 to 63,000 psi
Sprue plate (blued), alignment pins, and hardware will be carbon steel.



The cost will be as follows:

Brass Molds
1 cavity Brass $90.00 Ea.
2 cavity Brass $94.00 Ea.
4 cavity Brass $111.00 Ea.


Aluminum Molds
Single cavity mould $68.00 Ea.
Double cavity mould $72.00 Ea.
Three cavity mould $79.00 Ea.
Four cavity mould $85.00 Ea.
Five cavity mould $92.00 Ea.


Hollow pointing one cavity and furnishing a double ended pin for any of the above moulds would be $35.00 extra.
If you want to fashion different HP profiles, an extra blank pin would be $1.50


RG Molds
Two cavity Brass RG2 HP mould $118 Ea

Two cavity Aluminum RG2 HP mould $96.00 Ea

Includes one set of hollow point pins and one set of flat nose pins.

If you want to fashion different HP profiles for the RG2 an extra blank pin set of two (2) would be $4.




Four cavity Brass RG4 HP mould $152.00 Ea.

Four cavity Aluminum RG4 HP mould $126.00 Ea

Includes one set of hollow point pins and one set of flat nose pins.
If you want to fashion different HP profiles for the RG4 an extra blank pin set of four (4) would be $8.



Shipping and handling will be $10 per order and shipped priority mail. Insurance is available for $2.90 per mold. If you live outside the United States contact me, and I will work with you.


Lead time is 4-5 weeks after Group Buy closes.

Once we are ready to go, I will place the order with NOE. The molds will be shipped to me and I will distribute them. I will accept bank check, money order or PayPal(plus fees). If using PayPal contact me first.



The mold is machined to use LEE Commercial 6-Cavity handles (not included).
A Lyman, RCBS type top punch is furnished with each mould as well as a sample of Bull Plate sprue plate lube.

Visitors from other forums are welcome to participate in this group buy.
Email me at scifijim - at - gmail.com
Do the normal voodoo with the address to make it work, I don't want spambots to skim for my address.

Please leave a post here and PM your order and I will add you to the list.

I will post a running list of confirmed orders with username and options and a list of zip codes that payments have been received from in the next post.
Thanks
Jim

[SciFiJim]

Orders
1. Dutch4122 - RG2
2. Cord - Brass RG4(drilled) + 2 blank pin sets
3.
4. shawnsmc - 5 cavity
5. Humbo - 4 cavity
6. JeffHolt - Brass RG4
7. Screwbolts - 5 cavity
8. Rattlesnake Charlie - Brass RG4 + blank pin set
9. southpaw - 5 cavity
10. SkookumJeff - 4 cavity
11. chuck4570 - Brass RG4
12. chboats - 4 cavity
13. 308w - 5 cavity
14. badgeredd - Brass 2 cavity
15. Big Bore Nut - Brass RG2
16. 358wcf - Brass RG2
17. jrayborn - 5 cavity
18. citizenal - Brass RG4(drilled) + blank pin set
19. C A Plater - Brass 4 cavity




Zip Codes of Payments
95037
13326
98391
81055
93433

32628
18657
62899
Norway
91356
29340

04901
44705
04938
35803
94521

[Dutch4122]

Order changed. See post #18.

:CastBoolitsisbest:

[Cord]

I’m in for a Brass RG4 with an extra set of “blank” pins.

Thanks for making this a reality!

[Cord]

A Bump for a very nice boolit design......

The "very successful" 360180 WFNGC
reminds me of another boolit design-
the NOE Ranch Dog 311-165 RF (RD)

Consider this; doesn't the 360180 WFNGC
kinda look like a

"Ranch Dog for Magnum Revolver?"

If you can see what I mean, then
wouldn't that make this 360160 WFN
design a

"Ranch Dog for Standard Revolver?"

....

[castblaster]

I like it. So i need one Brass RG4 HP

[shawnsmc]

I'll take a 5 cavity

shawn

[Humbo]

Please sign me up for a 4 cavity.
Thanks.

[FN in MT]

I've had issues in the ppast with the WFN designs, but in .45" when used in my FA83. Unless I drove them 1100 fps or so I had accuracy problems. And at the 900 fps where I wanted to shoot them....they tumbled.

I know I'm doing an APPLES/ORANGES sort of question here...but would this mold the 160 grain stabilize at 850-900 fps in Smith revolvers??

And...RG2...RG4? Two or four cavity blocks??

FN in MT

[SciFiJim]

It would depend on the twist rate in your revolver. A stability calculator here.

http://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmstab-5.1.cgi (http://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmstab-5.1.cgi)

RG2 is 2 cavity.
RG4 is 4 cavity.

[Screwbolts]

OK, I can't resist any more!

Put me down for a 5 cavity Aluminum.


Screwbolts

[Screwbolts]

Just a bump. :-)

[Rattlesnake Charlie]

Put me down for a brass RG4 HP mold with an extra set of “blank” pins.

[SciFiJim]

Charlie, I added you to the list. PM sent.
Jim

[southpaw]

I will take one 5 cavity mould please.

Jerry Jr.

[SkookumJeff]

I will take one in 4 cavity aluminum please.

[SciFiJim]

Jeff, PM sent.

[Dutch4122]

Jim-

Please change my order to an RG2 Aluminum mold.

Thanks! :mrgreen:

[358wcf]

Put me on the list, please- I'll get a firm choice made shortly and will pay up front-
Chuck 358wcf

[SciFiJim]

Dutch, I made the change for you.

Chuck, Let me know what you would like and I will get it on the list for you.

Thanks,
Jim

[chuck4570]

Put me down for an RG 4 Brass mold please.

[chboats]

Put me down for a 4 cav Alum 360160

Carl

[SciFiJim]

C. Robinson, please PM me.

[308w]

Dear Sir I would sure like to have one of these molds in 4 cav brass or 5 cav aluminum, please forgive my ignorence but what do I need to do to get one? Thanks JS

[SciFiJim]

308w,
Let me know which you want and the options that are described in the first post and I will PM you the price with shipping and how to pay. I will then add you to the list of orders. After payment is received, I will add you zip code to the list of paid orders.

When the molds are manufactured, they are shipped to me in mass and I separate and repackage and reship to everyone that ordered.

[308w]

Please put me down for one of the 5 cavity aluminum solid nose molds. 308w

[SciFiJim]

308w,
PM Sent.
Jim

[badgeredd]

Please put me down for a 2 cavity brass mold, solid.

Edd

[SciFiJim]

Edd,
PM sent.
Jim

[big bore nut]

Put me down for a 2 cavity Brass RG2 HP

[SciFiJim]

I am going to close this group buy on February 8th. So, I am giving a LAST CALL on this group buy. If you are looking and interested, now it the time to get in. Just let me know what you would like.

[358wcf]

Jim- I'll commit to a BRASS RG-2 mold.

Notify when payment is due, please.

THANKS!!!

358wcf [smilie=1:[smilie=1:[smilie=1:
Chuck

[SciFiJim]

358wcf, PM sent.
Jim

[SciFiJim]

Payment requests have been sent out by PM. If you didn't get one, let me know and I will get your total to you.
Thanks,
Jim

[jrayborn]

Well I tried not to, but put me down for a 5-Cavity Aluminum.

Thanks!

Jon

[citizenal]

Put me down for a 4 cavity brass rg4 drilled for probe.

Please add this to my other order and pm me with a total.

Thanks!

Al

[citizenal]

Can I add an extra set of pins as well.

Thanks

[SciFiJim]

Just got word from SwedeNelson today.

Some good new and bad news.

The bad news is that the shop is still behind schedule.

The good news is that I will keep the group buy open until the 17th so that more people can get in on it.

I know that further delay is frustrating, but the quality of NOE molds is worth it!

[Cord]

This has been a quiet Group Buy so far, despite the 18 orders, and I think
that might be because there was no discussion thread to start it going.

Also, there was a question about the stability of this boolit; Jim supplied a link
to a stability calculator, but still the question may have put some people off.

So, while I don’t want to seem like a cheerleader, there is still some time left
to explain why I believe this will become my “go to” boolit for .38 revolvers.

First , the stability issue:
I measured a Speer 148gr HBWC and not counting the little bump on its nose,
it is .642 inches long, and yes, I know the hole is in the back, more on that later.

Plugged into the stability calculator, I get:

Speer 148 HBWC......642 long, Stability Factor is 3.498 Green (Stable)
360160WFN Solid.....620 long, Stability Factor is 4.127 Green (Stable)
360147WFN HP........620 long, Stability Factor is 3.792 Green (Stable)

Both versions of this WFN seem to be more stable than a target HBWC !

I used the same .360 diameter and a 1 in 18 twist for all three calculations.

I think this is a valid comparison, because if you look at the body of the
360160WFN, you can see that, including the full diameter area at the
base of the ogive, it is essentially 4 band WC body with a WFN on the front.

Granted, this is not a perfect comparison, but it is close enough for me,
so I’m not at all worried about the stability of this particular boolit.
.

[C A Plater]

Please put me down for a 4 cavity brass 360160WFN. I've been planning on 160 WFN for my main shooting bullet for the .38s and .357s in my stable. Thanks for getting this one going.

[Cord]

For many years my favorite load for J frame revolvers has been
a Speer 148gr HBWC loaded backward over Red Dot, it has a
nice little stepped nose that I slip a Hornady gas check over.
I have excellent accuracy and effectiveness with this load.

The problem is that I have to buy them and the gas checks,
and they are very soft, and so require great care in seating them
to avoid deforming the thin edge of the hollow base portion.
And, like any full wadcutter, they are not speedloader-friendly.

So I have been looking for a cast boolit design to come close to
this configuration. I could have bought a recently run Cramer HBWC,
but I wanted more lube grooves than it had, and it would still
have had the thin edge seating and speedloading issues.

I think this boolit in HP form, that I will call a 360147 WFNHP should
be about as close as I will get. It has everything I was looking for,
and I will start at 40/1 and test for accuracy, expansion and leading.

Even if it is not quite as good as my backwards HBWC load, it should
be very close, and it will be much faster to make, much easier to load,
speedloader-friendly, and lots cheaper, to allow for more practice.

I am very happy that NOE will make this in brass too.
.

[SciFiJim]

This group buy is CLOSED. I will get a list of molds off to NOE asap. If you missed out, keep an eye on the NOE Index of bullets and stuff for sale (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=119487) thread. Extras will be listed for sale there.

[SkookumJeff]

Will there be information posted on when production will take place for this mold?

[Rattlesnake Charlie]

Will there be information posted on when production will take place for this mold?

NOE Group Buy Index and Delivery Schedule
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=142415

[C A Plater]

Any news?

[SciFiJim]

Al Nelson posted a status update in the Brass360180 group buy. These two group buys are being run at the same time. Check post #235.
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?p=1640550#post1640550 (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?p=1640550#post1640550)

[chboats]

Since the Brass 360180 is about to be shipped, can I assume that this one is close behind it?

Carl

[SciFiJim]

Since the Brass 360180 is about to be shipped, can I assume that this one is close behind it?

Carl

Carl,
That's correct. They are part of the same group buy.
Jim

[SwedeNelson]

Picked up moulds yesterday
cast with a RG2, dimensions right on.
Weight with my WW material FN 157.8Gr. HP 143.1Gr.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/swedenelson/360160GrWFN002.jpg
Mould temp 376F
Lead pot temp 660F

Finish QC and box them up

Thanks to all that ordered.
Swede Nelson

[Screwbolts]

Can't wait to receive mine, looks great.

[JeffHolt]

Let's hope we don't die from old age first!

[SciFiJim]

All of the molds are packaged and labeled and ready to be mailed tomorrow. Everyone (except international orders) should get them by Monday or Tuesday.

[SciFiJim]

They are all in the mail. Now it is up to the Post Office. A lot of people like to throw rocks at the Post Office, but they are still the best deal out there.

[jrayborn]

Yee Ha! Thanks Jim!

[southpaw]

I got mine today! Thanks to Jim and all the guys at NOE for making this happen!!

Jerry Jr.

[jrayborn]

Got mine too, looks good!


Thanks!