311410

[Dannix]

Oct 9, 2012
Active Thread is Here (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=167692)
Please do not delay if you plan on signing up -- Miha will start cutting the bocks for this this week.


Sept 21, 2012
A big thanks to cbrick for starting this up. Unfortunately it became apparent he at some point became indisposed of, so I'm now picking up the baton to organize this group buy. I'll be getting in touch with Miha to make sure we are all on the same page.


<< Heard from Miha today (11/09/11) and he will make this mold, looks like this will become reality. As soon as I get the required info for an active group buy from Miha such as Prices, diameters, cavities etc I will start a new thread in the active group buy forum. >>

I have a 311410 130 grain single cavity HP'd by Lyman many years ago, I had Erik at Hollow Point Bullet Mold remove the bevel base and make an additional shorter HP pin with a rounded tip. It drops bullets at .312" which is fine sizing down to .310" or .309" for both my Ruger 30 Carbine (.308” bore) or my T/C 32-20 (actually 30-20, .308 bore). Being a single cavity it allows me to spend more time casting, not really a bad thing. However, once I discovered how much both of these guns like this bullet and how devastating it is on ground squirrels even with rather light loads I get to spend A LOT MORE time casting.

The drawings made by longbow have been sent to Miha, here are the options we have asked for:

2 and 4 cavity brass.
Cramer Style HP.
Both plain base and gas check versions. If GC & PB can be in the same mold is up to Miha.
HP pin lengths of .270" and .500".
HP pins will be round, no penta pins per Miha.
Pin set for casting FP only.
As cast diameters of .311" and .315"/.316".

Once we have this info confirmed and pricing info from Miha a new thread will be started in the active group buy thread.

Rick

Edit to start an "Interested in" list.

1> cbrick - 4 cav PB, .311", two sets of round pins, one set .500" long, one set .270" long, flip pins for flat point
2> cbrick - 4 cav GC, .311", two sets of round pins, one set .500" long, one set .270" long, flip pins for flat point
3> L1A1Rocker - .311", 4 cav, PB, all pins.
4> ocelott - .310" or .311" ??
5> PatMarlin - .316" ??
6> midnight - 311", 4 cav, GC, all pins.
7> shawnsmc - gc version rg4 or 4 cavity brass Cramer.
8> mpmarty - 2 cav, .310", PB, .270" pins.
9> tonyjones - .311", 2 or 4 cavity, GC, RG or Cramer.
10> Echo - 2 Cavity, 2 PB, 2 GC.
11> kbstenberg - .311 GC, 2 cav, Pin length at less than 1/3rd length rounded tip.
12> hicard - .311", 4 cav, GC, .270" pins.
13> buyobuyo - 2 or 4 cavity, GC, .311".
14> bwgdog - Cramer 4 cav, .311".
15> ocelott - .311" ??
16> Wayne S - .311 with a .300/301 nose, GC 5 cavity Alum. no HP.
17> gmsharps - .311", 4 cavity, GC, Cramer with all available pins.
18> castalott - .311 brass, 4 cavity, Cramer, plain base, Miha with all pins.
19> longbow - .315", PB, 2 maybe 4 cav, all pins.
20> dromia - .311", # of cavities? PB?, GC? Pin length undecided.
21> dromia - .315", # of cavities? PB?, GC? Pin length undecided.
22> cutter_spc - .311", 2 cav GC, all pins.
23> shdwlkr - .315", 2 cav GC, .270" pins.
24> shdwlkr - .312", 2 cav PB, .270" pins.
25> PatMarlin - .316", ??
26> Suo Gan - .315", ??
27> castblast - .311", 2 cav GC, all pins.
28> castblast - .315", 2 cav GC, all pins.
29> Ugluk - .311", 2 cav, all pins.
30> castalott - .311", 4 cav PB, all pins.
31> castalott - .311", 4 cav GC, all pins.
32> kmag - ?
33> dagunnut - .311", 4 cav, GC, all pins.
34> Mohillbilly - .311", 4 cav, GC, .500" pins.
35> Mohillbilly - .315", 4 cav, GC, .270" pins.
36> Mohillbilly - .311", 4 cav, PB, pins ??
37> Springfield - .311", 2 cav, GC, .270" pins.
38> rollmyown - .311", 2 cav GC, All pin options.
39> x101airborne - .314"/.315", 4 cav - 2 PB, 2 GC, All pins.
40> shangrila - .311", 2 cav, GC, all pins.
41> -
42> HiVelocity - .315", 2 cav, GC, .270" pins.
43> Janoosh - .315", 2 cav, PB, all pins.
44> Greg - .311", 2 cav, GC, all pins.
45> Rattlesnake Charlie - .311", 4 cav, GC, All pins.
46> PB234 - .315", (four cavity with 2 GC and two PB - This will be up to Miha) or all four cavs GC, all pins.
47> DDriller - .311", 2 cav, GC, all pins.
48> Bodydoc447 - .311", 2 cav, GC, .270" pins, flat point pins.
49> taminsong - .311", 4 cav, GC, .270" pins.
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Check this out - 3D view of 311410. Open as a regular pdf file, left mouse click on image to start 3D then left mouse click again & hold down left mouse button to rotate image. Use mouse wheel to enlarge or reduce image size. (Another great image from longbow) http://castboolits.gunloads.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=37459&d=1321232726

Here are the final drawings made by longbow posted on 11-13-11. Thanks longbow, this helps a lot.

Post for post merger.

[L1A1Rocker]

Is that 130 gr solid or 130 gr w/hollow point?

[ocelott]

I'm game - I'd ideally like to see a gas checked option - I like the cramer option - preferably on the .310-.311 range

[cbrick]

It is 130 Gr. with the shorter HP pin and 126 Gr. with the original Lyman pin, both weights as the plain base.

Rick

[L1A1Rocker]

I'm going to bump this thread. Still thinking about it myself. It could make a pretty good varmit boolit for my 308 bolt gun.

[cbrick]

I'm going to bump this thread. Still thinking about it myself. It could make a pretty good varmit boolit for my 308 bolt gun.

I haven't tried this bullet in the 308 yet but that is an intriguing idea. I’d bet in a 308 it could really ruin a coyotes entire day given what this bullet with a really light load in the Ruger 30 Carbine does to ground squirrels.

Rick

[DragoonDrake]

I would be interested if this mold came from Noe.

[cbrick]

I would be interested if this mold came from Noe.

I would be more than pleased if Al would make this mold. Would also be a great thing in a brass 4 cav Cramer from Miha.

We are going to need a few more people interested though. It's kind of common to hear people asking about light weight bullets for the 308 and this could be just the ticket. I am going to try and get into the loading room this afternoon and load some of these for the 308, if it works as well as I believe it should I'll be feeding three guns with this bullet and REALLY need to get it in a multi cavity.

Rick

[midnight]

A 2 or 4C brass cramer type from Miha would trip my trigger. I'd kinda like a GC version just in case I want to push it faster. I may have to get a gas check maker though just to be more independent of suppliers. When the SHTF I don't want to be dependent on anyone.

Bob

[cbrick]

I started a "Interested in" list in post one of this thread. Anyone on the list should see if I have them listed correctly for what they would like.

One thing not discussed yet is the HP pin length. The original Lyman pin is .495" long, well over half the bullet length deep with a square tip. The pin I had Erik make for this mold is a little than less half this long (or deep) with a rounded tip.

Rick

[shawnsmc]

I would be interested in a gc version rg4 or 4 cavity brass Cramer.

[scb]

count me in.

[cbrick]

Thanks guys, your officially on the "interested in list.

Need to know just what it is you would like, gas check, plain base, as cast diameter etc. This is a discussion thread to find such things out.

Rick

[DragoonDrake]

If you need my specifics, I can go .311-.313 and 4 cavity mold (undecided yet on GC and how many).

Adam

[tonyjones]

Rick,

I'm interested. I'm not sure if the nose is large enough for NOE's RG type HP moulds to work. Al needs to weigh in on that. I would take aluminum or brass, 2 or 4 cavity, RG or Cramer, GC, .311" as cast. I like the pin design you had made by Erik. My choice will depend in large part on what NOE can or can not do.

Regards,

Tony

[DragoonDrake]

CBRICK, you are a little big on my wants.

[Echo]

I would be interested in a gc version rg4 or 4 cavity brass Cramer.

Me too, 2 Pb, 2 GC.

[cbrick]

CBRICK, you are a little big on my wants.

Dang, now who moved that "4" key that close to the "3" key?

Should be correct now.

Rick

[L1A1Rocker]

Have you tried this in the 308 yet? If I were to get this mold I'd be looking at a .311, plane base, 4 cavity cramer type. If it is spiked or has hardware on the bottom that interferrs with my bottom pour guide rod I would pass on it.

[scb]

Rick, I think I'd want a 2 cav., GC, .311 dia. #of cavities might depend on who you get to make it. Thanks.

[bwgdog]

Can you shoot some paper and post some groups @ 50+ 100 yards?

[DragoonDrake]

Thank you Cbrick

[cbrick]

Have you tried this in the 308 yet?

In a perfect world every day is range day. Reality however is a bit different.

I loaded some, gonna try to get to the range on Friday.

Rick

[kbstenberg]

My druthers would be .311 GC Crammer with 2 cav. Pin at less than 1/3rd length rounded end,

[cbrick]

Can you shoot some paper and post some groups @ 50+ 100 yards?

Doubtful I'll get groups on paper, there aren't any frames at my range to put paper targets on. I do my grouping on metal silhouettes at 100 & 150m.

Rick

[hicard]

I'd like a 4 cavity cramer (Miha) or RG4 (NOE) in .311 GC. I would also like it drilled for temp probe and the modified (short .270 round) hp pins.

[Dannix]

Wow this is tempting. I'm already signed up for the MiHec Cramer-type Lyman 311440 GB though. So many moulds. So limited resources.

[buyobuyo]

I don't know why but I liked this the moment I saw it. I would be interested in a 2 cav GC mold in 0.311" or maybe a 4-cav with 2 gc/2 pb.

I would be fine with either NOE or Miha making the mold. I have 2 Miha molds now and am waiting on a third and only have one NOE. I've never used NOE's RG molds, but I like Miha's cramer molds. It would be interesting to see how it would perform with his penta style HP.

Also could you post measurements of the overall length and length from the nose to the first lube groove (or is that a round crimp groove?), so we have an idea of how deep the HP depths you posted are.

[cbrick]

Bullet length is: .800"
Nose length from beginning of crimp groove: .440"

Lyman pin depth into bullet is: .500" with a square point.

I thought this excessive so I had Erik make a new pin .270" long with a round tip. If/when the point breaks off there would be more bullet weight to keep punching through.

As Lyman made it it's a one lube groove bullet with a crimp groove.

Rick

[cbrick]

Like buyobuyo I have NOE molds but have never used the RG HP from NOE. I do have and love the Cramer 4 cav from Miha, especially being able to flip the pin over and cast flat point. Because of this my preference would be brass 4 cavs from Miha but I would not balk at NOE should we get this off the ground and into production.

As best as I can tell with NOE it would be some time next summer before it could be added to the schedule. I have no idea yet what Miha's schedule is.

Once we get a few more "interested in" I'll PM both NOE and Miha to see who would be interested in making this bullet.

Rick

[bwgdog]

Cramer 4 cav .311 sounds fine!

[buyobuyo]

Rick, thanks for the info. I was thinking along the same lines that if the HP cavity extended to the crimp groove that it would act as a natural separation point. Depending on the application, it may or may not be desirable. Maybe multiple pin options would be an idea. Say original length and your shorter length as standard and pentas as option?

Have you done any expansion testing comparing the original pin and your shorter pin?

[cbrick]

Wow this is tempting. I'm already signed up for the MiHec Cramer-type Lyman 311440 GB though. So many moulds. So limited resources.

Might as well jump in, this is still in the interested in stage and will be some time before it's reality. The list in post #1 is an "interested in" list and not as yet a commitment to buy.

Rick

[ocelott]

It sounds like the consensus is for .311" with some sort of HP option

Let's get this bad boy up and running...

[cbrick]

It sounds like the consensus is for .311" with some sort of HP option

Let's get this bad boy up and running...

I'll take that as "interested in" and add you to the list. How many cavities?

Rick

[cbrick]

Have you done any expansion testing comparing the original pin and your shorter pin?

Not yet, I originally loaded 10 rounds with a light load for the Ruger 30 Carbine and the short pin to run over the chrono and see if there was any decent ability to group. Went to the range and there were those pesky squirrels down range wanting to play, problem was none of them would line up through the sky screens so no velocities. First round went center through the right side behind the shoulder at about 40 yards, he slapped the ground like a sledge hammer hit him. I walked over to him and he was laying right side up, not very impressive looking with just a small slightly bloody hole. I rolled him over and the left side just wasn't there, that was impressive. Shot a few more with the remaining rounds.

I loaded some more with both pins (25 of each) and was going to go to the range last Friday but one of the local PD's rented the range so I'm still waiting to chronno & group. I also loaded some with the short pin for both the 308 rifle and the 308 XP-100 for the next range trip.

Rick

[Wayne S]

.311 with a .300/301 nose, GC 5 cavity Alum. no HP

[gmsharps]

gmsharps .311", 4 cavity, GC, Cramer with all available pins

[Wayne S]

NOT to hi-jack this ,BUT has anyone ever seen a RIFLE bullet offered by MiHec ?? I've been after him since his first showing here to make a copy of the C.E.Harris .312-155. Maybe it has something to do with exports ??

[cbrick]

NOT to hi-jack this ,BUT has anyone ever seen a RIFLE bullet offered by MiHec ?? I've been after him since his first showing here to make a copy of the C.E.Harris .312-155. Maybe it has something to do with exports ??

I've wondered often about that myself. Purly SWAG on my part but I kind of convinced myself that it's a sort of gentleman's agreement with Swede, one makes handgun and one makes rifle, but I really don't know.

For me this will be mostly a handgun bullet, Ruger 30 Carbine and 10" T/C 32-20.

Either one is pure mastery of machine tools so . . .

Rick

[scb]

I know NOE makes moulds for handguns. What I'm not sure of is if they'll make an RG mould in 30 cal. Seems like it was asked before and the answer was no. But I could very well be mistaken.

[Wayne S]

I know NOE makes moulds for handguns. What I'm not sure of is if they'll make an RG mould in 30 cal. Seems like it was asked before and the answer was no. But I could very well be mistaken.

I think Al commented on that and the answer was that the bullet body was to small for the RG set up. I know NOE made the origional 314-129 GB with a HP. but I think he used a single pin.
Just checked the 314-129 was with a single cavity/single pin, double ended for HP or FP
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=83319&highlight=314-129

[castalott]

I'm in for at least one 4 cavity .311 brass, Cramer,plainbase, Miha with all pins. I have the money but getting it overseas is difficult. I expect that the order will go to at least 2 before it is over. The standard 311410 is my favorite plinking bullet. It works in everything. Not fast but quiet and cheap. I don't see how we can go wrong on this one.....

[cbrick]

I sent a PM to Miha and he replied that he can do it but that he has to have a drawing.

Ok, so who can make a proper drawing? Once we get that it looks like we can get this going.

Rick

[scb]

Ok, so who can make a proper drawing? Once we get that it looks like we can get this going.

Rick

If something like this http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showpost.php?p=1423080&postcount=32 will do. You can send me a sample.

[cbrick]

I sent Blammer a PM asking if he would do a drawing, waiting to hear from him.

If that picture is ok it would be up to Miha, he is the one that needs to program the cnc, programing a cnc is a little out of my league so I dunno.

Rick

[longbow]

Miha is currently working on prototypes for the NRA PP 160 and 200 gr. .30 cal boolits (clones of old Lyman moulds) so it looks like he might be starting on moulds for rifle boolits.

I may be wrong but I thought he had said at one time that he needed a slight flat nose and at least in some cases he is orbiting the cherry to get different diameters so pointy or even round nose moulds are out when doing that.

This time I think he is using two cutters - one plunged to form nose and one orbited to to form diameter and grooves (these PP moulds have shallow grooves).

In any case, back to the 311410:

I really like this but would be wanting a mould to cast 0.315" or better 0.316".

I would also want a really big HP pin ~ big as would fit (I could make my own if necessary).

I was sort of thinking about the Ness Safety bullet but it is a bit heavier than I want and not very aerodynamic.

From the photo it looks like the ogive starts right after the crimp groove.

Is there any cylindrical nose shank at all?

What diameter is the nose in front of the crimp groove?

I would like to see at least groove diameter nose beyond the crimp groove and better, a short cylindrical groove diameter start to the nose.

I just like to have a throat diameter bit sticking out to get things all centered nice.

If this is a Mihec Cramer with multiple pins/flat nose and at least groove diameter start to the nose and 0.316" available (not asking too much am I?), I am interested.

Longbow

Well, look at that, I rambled so long several post showed up while I was typing!

[cbrick]

longbow, I'll add you to the interested list. You didn't mention gas check or plain base??

I'm not in the shop right now but if my memory is correct just forward of the crimp groove (ogive) is driving band diameter. I'll measure one in the morning to be sure. It does engrave in the throat of my Ruger 30 Carbine, my 308 rifle and 308 XP but not the 32-20 T/C, the T/C has a typical T/C deep throat though not as bad as some.

I agree, I like the ogive engraved by the throat also to line things up nicely.

I believe Miha does multiple diameters but that is something that will be worked out once Miha has the drawing. Same with cost, pin lengths etc. Personally I want two sets of pins, one set the same length as the Lyman pin and the other roughly half that long, both with round tips and the ability to flip the pins to cast flat point. Pin diameter is about max for the tip, look at the picture in post one, any bigger diameter pin would shorten the bullet. The pin diameter if cast as a flat point would be the meplat diameter. The Lyman pin is 500" long with a square point and that's in a bullet.800" long, I had Erik make a new pin .270" long with a round tip. I'll measure the pin diameter in the morning also.

So far this is an "interested in" list, not an order to buy. To work out these details is the purpose of this thread.

Rick

[L1A1Rocker]

Did you get a chance to try this out in the 308 over the weekend?

[longbow]

cbrick:

I would prefer PB but could go either way if only GC is offered.

PB will limit velocity unless used over filler or maybe PB gas check which might just be the way to go for hotter loads.

Anyway, I digress.

Prefer PB but am still interested if GC only.

Thanks for your efforts and sorting all the bits out.

Longbow

[cbrick]

Did you get a chance to try this out in the 308 over the weekend?

No, Friday the range was rented out to a local PD, the weekend was the club's monthly two day handgun silhouette match. Planning on Friday again, the range is normally reserved for club members on Friday, last Friday was a fluke but the club needs the money so . . .

Rick

[cbrick]

longbow, the pins are both .115" diameter at the cavity opening, both pins are tapered to .085".

The ogive at the crimp groove casts at .30975" and the driving bands cast at .312".

Hope this helps.

Rick

[longbow]

I would prefer to see groove diameter at the base of the ogive or even better a short cylindrical section of maybe 0.050" or better and since I am planning on using this for a fat bored Lee Enfield need at least 0.315" as cast driving bands or better 0.316".

Since this is to be an HP mould then orbiting a cherry to get larger diameter shouldn't be a problem as we don't have a pointy nose.

I would also like larger HP pins but again since it may be a Cramer or RG then the possibility of multiple pins could exist. If not I can make my own.

Count me still interested and we will see how it turns out when the details are sorted out.

Thanks,
Longbow

[cbrick]

Shot this bullet in the 308 rifle today, did not work well with the load I used. This is a plain base bullet and I used a load that I hoped would keep the velocity down, it did, sorta. 10 shots fired at 100 meters @ 1763 fps, too fast for a PB I think and there was minor leading but patterns replaced groups. Had pretty much the same experience in the 308 XP. I think with a gas check and possibly a different load results would be different. I just pushed the PB too hard. Powder used was 4759 that works well in both the rifle and XP with bullets up to 200 gr and charges up to 19.0 gr. For this bullet I used 17.0 gr with this 130 gr bullet for the 1763 fps. This was also the first time I used a light weight bullet in either gun. Disappointing but the education of Rick continues.

Rick

[cbrick]

Previously known as ground squirrels. This bullet is awesome on ground squirrels, ok it's not a 22-250 but that little mist of red vapor as they slap the ground reminds you of one. Today there are two less digging holes in our birms.

Shot this bullet today in both the Ruger 30 Carbine and the T/C 32-20 10" with excellent results. Both guns shot 1" groups on the 1/2 size chicken at 50m with this blind old guy looking through stock factory iron sights. Even if no one else was impressed I was.

A bit of an interesting side note was using (fire-forming) 32-20 brass in the Ruger Carbine so that I would have rimmed cases and this worked well.

Using 30 Carbine brass with both the longer Lyman HP pin (5 gr heavier) and the new/shorter HP pin that I had Erik make (5 gr lighter) resulted in 10 fps increase for the lighter bullet, both 10 shot chrono tests. Both squirrels today were shot with the shorter pin.

The load used was running 860 fps with bullets cast of COWW + 2% Sn, air cooled. They seem to open up extremely well and a ground squirrel isn't a very solid target.

Rick

[longbow]

If you could get hold of some .30 cal. PB gas checks to try for higher velocity in the rifles it would be interesting.

I wonder if anyone interested in the group buy has a .30 cal. PB gas check maker and could send some to you?

[Dannix]

If you could get hold of some .30 cal. PB gas checks to try for higher velocity in the rifles it would be interesting.

I wonder if anyone interested in the group buy has a .30 cal. PB gas check maker and could send some to you?
Good idea. I want to say I recall reading lino-plate PBs being good to 2k fps or so.

[cbrick]

Lino-plate?

Still looking for someone to do a drawing, never did hear back from Blammer, I sent him a PM asking if he would do it. Miha didn't say he wouldn't do a drawing, just that he thought it would be faster if someone here did it. Not so if we can't get someone to do it. I'll PM him again and ask if I can send him some bullets and see if he will do it.

Rick

[DragoonDrake]

So I take it this groupbuy is going with MIHA?

[cbrick]

So I take it this groupbuy is going with MIHA?

Nothing is confirmed yet. I wouldn't hesitate for a second if Al wanted to do it. I also would not hesitate for a second with a brass work of art from Miha. Someone else PM'd Al and I have PM'd with Miha. As of right now what we have is looking at getting a drawing made and most (almost all) "interested in" posts indicate a .311" diameter and Cramer style. Cramer style would mean Miha and RG would mean NOE. The as cast diameter shouldn't be an issue, I know NOE offers different diameters and I think Miha does as well.

Plus, Al (NOE) wants at least .200" meplat for the RG2 or RG4 style molds, that nearly doubles the meplat of the original design.

As for me the biggest changes I would like to see is possibly a more conventional crimp groove, possibly a very slightly deeper lube groove and a .050" straight driving band diameter section between the ogive and the crimp groove.

Rick

[longbow]

I can do a 3D model and drawing for this if you want.

If you have dimensions I can work from them or you can take some photos and I can trace them then tweak dimensions in 2D then revolve to make a 3D and cut drawings.

I would say send me some boolits but technically it is illegal for you to send them across the border unless you have an FFL. It is no problem for me to receive them but it is illegal for you to export without FFL.

Believe it or not the tracing thing works well and that is how I did the model for the H&G #503 for Dale53. It does require close up clear photos though.

Let me know.

Longbow

[longbow]

Actually, I think I can work from the original photo you posted. I just might give it a go tomorrow.

Shouldn't take long then dimensions can be tweaked as required from physical measurements and desired end results.

Longbow

[Dannix]

Lino-plate?
Sorry Rick, lith plate. .008". Apparently can't quite reach Al GC velocities though, being softer

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showpost.php?p=1418140&postcount=27
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showpost.php?p=1005244&postcount=1

[longbow]

Here is something to look at.

This is the first cut based on tracing from cbrick's photo in the first post and following comments (more or less).

It is easy to change so have at it.

I still want it in 0.316" diameter.

Longbow

PS: Forgot to check weight ~ as shown in WW weight is 128 grs.

[cbrick]

I like it, can it be converted to jpeg or something that can be placed here. I tried but couldn't get Acrobat to do anything but make a word document out of it.

Only a couple of changes I can think of right off that I would like to see, a square lube groove with an angle (like Elmer liked) would hold more lube without needing to be deeper, show both pin lengths with a rounded tip. The Lyman pin length is shown in the drawing with a square tip.

Nice job longbow.

Rick

[longbow]

I will try a jpeg tomorrow along with a bit of neatening up. I was in a bit of a rush today.

I have found that for some reason resolution with jpegs tends to be poor (maybe export limitation?) but will play with some settings to see if I can get decent line work.

Unfortunately it is past my bedtime and I need my beauty rest now.

I should be able to get some more options done tomorrow. What all do you want:

- different diameter pins? (could go a little larger than shown down to maybe 1/16")
- different tapers?
- different lengths?
- different lube grooves? (personally I like the round groove but I can do beveled flat bottom)
- round tipped pins rather than flat?
- GC shank?
- are different diameters available... say 0.310" to 0.316"?
- is there a weight preference? (130 gr. solid or 130 hollow)
- meplat diameter?

Let me know and it shall be so.

Longbow

[tonyjones]

Longbow,

Thanks for posting the drawing. I would also like to see a gas check version. Multiple pin versions are desirable. For a base design how about .125" diameter tapered to a radiused point to a depth of the crimp/dirt groove? It's a small point but an as cast diameter of .311" may work better for more folks.

Regards,

Tony

[cbrick]

What all do you want:

- different diameter pins? (could go a little larger than shown down to maybe 1/16") Dunno if this would needed, see what folks desire.

- different tapers? Dunno if this would needed, see what folks desire.

- different lengths? Yes, both the original Lyman length for slow, light loads and one half that long that shouldn't come apart quite as easily in higher velocity loads like the 308. The short pin @ 850 fps from the Ruger 30 Carbine removes 50% of the far side of a ground squirrel with air cooled WW.

- different lube grooves? (personally I like the round groove but I can do beveled flat bottom) The flat bottom lube groove holds more lube and could be important for those wanting to shoot it in a 308 as opposed to the 30 Carbine or 23-20. Yes, should be beveled.

- round tipped pins rather than flat? Yes, round tips helps in keeping the nose on instead of breaking off or at least as easily. The square bottom cavity gives a perfect break point for the nose to come off.

- GC shank? Yes, I believe both should be offered. I for one want both, again GC for the 308 and then PB for the 30 Carbine & 32-20.

- are different diameters available... say 0.310" to 0.316"? .311" as a minimum should do, I know of one person that wants a .316". ;) Final determination on this could well depend on the mold maker.

- is there a weight preference? (130 gr. solid or 130 hollow) The orininal Lyman is 126 gr in my alloy with the longer Lyman HP pin and 130 gr with the shorter pin Erik made. For me that is perfect, I have 110, 115, 140 and 150 gr 30 cal molds. This design shoots very, very well in my 30 Carbine and T/C 32-20 at 130 gr.

- meplat diameter? I believe this bullet will be used mostly in the 30 Carbine and 32-20 as it was originally designed for. If the meplat gets much wider it will destroy the whole concept of the design. In your first drawing it is slightly wider than the original and I don't think it should get much wider.

Let me know and it shall be so. Longbow

Let's see what others come up with, if/when I think of anything else I'll add it to the list. Looks like we might finally be getting this going. I am now stuffing this bullet into four guns, a single cavity conventional pin mold is killing me.

Also, if Miha makes this mold the Cramer pins that can be flipped over for flat point would be wonderful.

Thanks very much longbow, couldn't do it without you.

Rick

[cbrick]

As for shooting this bullet as a PB in the 308 I have heat treated some and will see if that helps. Will also reduce the load a bit more. Don't think I'll get to the range this week but we'll see. They should harden to right at 18 BHN in a few days.

Also, the added .050" as what would be a front driving band should help a great deal in the 308. It will not only help with alignment in the rifles throat but Rick really likes bearing surface. A lot!

Rick

[Dannix]

I will try a jpeg tomorrow along with a bit of neatening up. I was in a bit of a rush today.

I have found that for some reason resolution with jpegs tends to be poor (maybe export limitation?) but will play with some settings to see if I can get decent line work.
That's because jpeg is a poor codec to use for this sort of thing. jpeg was designed for photos, not anything with lines.

PNG is the way to go. If it's too big for the forum, feel free to email it too me, and I'll get it posted here. I'll email you my email address. :)

[Dannix]

Here you go!

I like the idea of a .270"-.350" long ping with a round tip. The one pictured seems a bit excessive, potentially to the detriment of sufficient penetration. But don't go by me; I haven't committed to this GB yet. [smilie=1:

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/9641/311410.png

[cbrick]

Thanks very much Dannix,

The drawing shows the original Lyman pin length very closely. That's why I had a new pin with a rounded tip made by Erik which is .270" long and at the modest velocity I've been shooting the 30 Carbine Ruger it is devastating on ground squirrels.

The plan so far is to have both sets of pins made, the Lyman length and the .270" length.

Nothing is set in stone yet, the drawing is the first work up, will probably change some including having both a PB and GC version.

Thanks again,

Rick

[longbow]

Okay, let's try this.

I exported as jpeg and they look okay so far so let's see how they post.

Well, they look pretty readable to me this time so I will leave it at that for now.

They are a little cluttered with the dimensions but I am not changing them now. This is for discussion and feedback.

So what I've got from left to right (just the way they posted) is:

- the original traced from cbrick's photo then dimensions massaged a little to make them nice and appealing to my eye anyway with square lube groove and round bottom pin in PB version
- next is .270 pin GC assembly
- .270 pin GC version with dimensions
- .270 pin PB version

If you want mix and match I can do that so .5" pin with GC or some different pins.

I could shrink the meplat a little but I think it would get difficult to get good fill out with the 0.115" pin ~ there isn't much lip there.

That's all I got for tonight.

Let me know any other preferences or changes then we can sort them all out so I can do them at once instead of bits and pieces.

Weight of the 0.5" pin PB version is about 128 grs.

Weight of the .270" pin GC version (with GC) version is about 135 grs.

Longbow

[cbrick]

Thanks longbow, you do fine work. :mrgreen:

The original meplat is a tad narrower and has a rather sharp mouth to the cavity, they fill out well as long as the pin is kept hot, let it cool a bit and it does get difficult to get complete fill-out. A hot pin is important with any HP though.

I placed the drawings in post #1 next to the photograph so that anyone starting the thread at the beginning will see them.

Rick

[buyobuyo]

Nice work Longbow. Out of curiosity, what is the depth of the lube and crimp groves?

cbrick, what is the diameter of the original meplat? You keep mentioning that it is smaller, but not what it actually is.

[tonyjones]

Is there any interest in a set of pins dedicated to a solid nose bullet?

Tony

[cbrick]

Is there any interest in a set of pins dedicated to a solid nose bullet? Tony

Wouldn't need any pins, just don't have it HP'd.

The final list of options will be up to the mold maker but I foresee no problem with a solid nose in PB and/or GC.

Rick

[longbow]

Here is another go at a smaller meplat. No dimensions but you can sit it is a very narrow lip now at 0.130" diameter. From my experience I wouldn't go any smaller unless the nose was made a little blunter to keep a decent lead volume at the nose... or unless the HP pin is smaller diameter.

I like this design though, it has a nice aerodynamic look to it.

Weight for this one is now 124 grs. so just 4 grs. lighter.

buyobuyo:

Sorry, you caught me! I left off a couple of dimensions (I was just testing you).

The crimp groove is 0.020" deep and is the same design used on Dale53's H&G #503 but a hair smaller.

Lube groove is 0.026" deep.

Surely someone else wants this in 0.316" diameter... don't they?

Let me know if you want any other changes. And just for show I attached a 3D PDF. Open it like a normal PDF then left click on the image to open the 3D and use the mouse buttons (click and drag) to rotate, zoom, pan.

Longbow

[longbow]

Dannix:

How did you insert that png file?

I exported from the 3D as png this time but when I uploaded it was converted to jpeg. I guess that's another question too ~ how do you insert into the post instead of as an attachment.

I am a simple old man, please help me!

Thanks,
Longbow

[cbrick]

Wow that's awesome, haven't seen that before and in our very own bullet too.

EDIT: I added the 3D image to post #1. That is just too cool for words.

Rick

[buyobuyo]

To insert an image into the post instead of attaching it, you need to upload it to another site like photobucket or picasa. Then you use the
url of picture tags to insert it into the post.

[cbrick]

Or . . .

Click the "go advanced" button, then under the screen where text is added click on "manage attachments", a window pops up, click on "browse" and select the picture you want right off your computer, once you find your picture double click on it and then click on "upload". A thumbnail picture will be in your post, it will not show up in the edit screen but will be there once you click "post reply".

Rick

[tonyjones]

cbrick,

I have a MP 452-200, 4 cavity, brass, Cramer HP mould. When I flip the pins to make a solid nose bullet in lieu of a HP the pins protrude from the bottom of the mould. I should have found a way to state things more clearly. By "dedicated" solid nose pins I meant pins that would convert the HP nose to a solid nose without anything sticking out of the bottom of the mould.

In a few instances I have bought both solid and HP versions of designs I like. MP 4 cavity brass solid nose moulds have been running around $110 delivered while the Cramer versions with round and penta pins have been going for around $156 delivered. That's $266 for both. I would guess that a set of "dedicated" solid nose pins could be had for around $15. Miha would have to have a minimum (15 to 20?) number of orders to justify having these pins made. I would buy them in a heartbeat. Others might want them as well.

Best regards,

Tony

[cbrick]

Tony, ok, I see your point. I also have Miha's 4 cav Cramer molds and yes the HP pins protrude under the mold when casting FP. This is an option that would be up to Miha should he make this mold and one that I would probably go for as well.

The pins protruding under the mold hasn't been an issue for me because more and more my casting is ladle casting and less and less bottom pouring. A good idea anyway and the purpose of this thread is exploring possible options.

Rick

[tonyjones]

Rick,

With nothing sticking out the bottom of the mould there is less chance of bumping something and damaging the pins. As careful as I try to be I am PRONE to this kind of mishap!!!!!

Regards,

Tony

[midnight]

I just made a mold guide with a groove in it. Problem solved. I have to admit though,I have to make mold guides and stops for many molds cuz with my one eye I have zero depth perception. You would not believe how far off I can be.

Bob

[L1A1Rocker]

Rick (sorry I've been away for a while - new job), if you would like, PM me with your address and I can send you some 30 cal plain base gas checks. Be sure to let me know how many you'd like for testing.


Thanks

[cbrick]

L1A1Rocker,

I'll get a PM off to you. I have HT'd some but haven't yet loaded them in the 308 so I could include some with checks. I've yet to try these checks for PB bullets, be interesting if nothing else because as always . . . the education of Rick continues.

Rick

[scb]

Sorry Rick please take me off the list #8. Thanks.

[buyobuyo]

Just wondering where we stand. Are we stalling out here or waiting to hear back from NOE and/or Mihec to see if they are interested in doing this?

[cbrick]

I sent a PM to Miha a few days ago, waiting to hear from him. I'll give him another day or so and try again, I assume (hope) he is a busy man.

Rick

[longbow]

I will be very interested in the PB check performance.

I have read about the Paco Kelly/Ed Wosika PB checks working very well for handgun and Patmarlin is also making PB check makers now but I can't say I have seen much if any info on use in a rifle of relatively small bore at high velocities.

If they work at 2000 + FPS on a PB boolit, I am sold. I would rather cast and shoot PB when I can and reluctantly add gas checks when I have to. One mould is better than two... Let me re-phrase that because a guy just can't have too many boolit moulds ~ I mean having one mould that does dual purpose allows me more different moulds.

I guess we don't get the diameter thing sorted out until Mihec replies. I really want this in 0.316". Really I do! Surely there are others with .303's or other fat bored guns that want this little beauty!

Longbow

[cbrick]

I'm currently using this bullet in two guns very successfully, a Ruger 30 Carbine and a T/C 32-20. Good accuracy in both and the effect on the ground squirrels is dramatic. In the 308 rifle and 308 XP results were disappointing so far.

L1A1Rocker sent a PM today that he mailed some checks. I’ve heard of these of course but have never used any, will be interesting. The education of Rick continues.

I do think however that this new bullet will work better in the 308 just for the new front driving band. But we gotta get it made to know.

Rick

[buyobuyo]

I sent a PM to Miha a few days ago, waiting to hear from him. I'll give him another day or so and try again, I assume (hope) he is a busy man.

Rick

From info in the .45-200 cramer mold gb, he is milling 3 different molds right now and ran 2-3 other molds a couple months ago. :lovebooli :happy dance:

[cbrick]

Still waiting to hear from Miha. I asked Triggerhappy who has been honcho for several very successful Miha group buys about Miha getting back with a PM and he said he also has been waiting a week for a reply to a PM. I'll give Miha a few more days I guess.

Rick

[L1A1Rocker]

Rick, have you received the gas checks?

[cbrick]

Sorry, yes. I went to the P.O. yesterday and there they were. Thanks.

Rick

[mpmarty]

Please include me "in" for this. I'd like a .310 double cavity with the smaller hollow point.
Thanks

ps: plain base please.

[cbrick]

mpmarty, thanks. I added you to place #8 to replace someone that dropped out.

Rick

[buyobuyo]

Just curious if there has been any word from Miha yet.

[L1A1Rocker]

Just curious if there has been any word from Miha yet.

Miha is often slow to respond to emails. I really do hope this makes as a cramer style mold.

[no34570]

I would not mind one,if it was NOE,I have got Miha moulds before and they are very nice,but being off work sick,NOE has a long schedule,gives me time to find the money??
I'll keep an eye on this one :)

[cbrick]

Just heard from Miha and he is willing to make this mold for us.

First and foremost we need a final drawing from longbow and I will change out with the drawings in post #1. The current drawing is very close but the nose diameter needs to be reduced closer the original Lyman specs.

I replied to Miha to get the specs on what he will make, here is what I asked him . . .

Brass only. Cramer style.
Two and four cavity.
Plain base and gas check versions. (can they be mixed in a single mold?)
.311" and .314" or .315" Diameters?
Two HP pin lengths - .270" and .500" both with round tips in Cramer style.
A set of short pins that will cast flat point only so that HP pins do not protrude under the mold?
Prices?

That info is needed in the active group buy forum so as soon as I get these specifics from Miha I will start a thread in the active group buy forum and we are off and running.

The only specific Miha stated so far is round HP pins only, no penta pins.


We are good to go folks!

no34570, we are still in the "interested in" thread at this stage and it will be awhile before these molds hit the mill. Jump in and you will have plenty of time to know if it will work out for you. Even after we are in an active group buy you will still have some time. Miha mentioned how busy he is and thus the slow response to the PM.

Rick

[cbrick]

L1A1Rocker mailed me some plain base gas checks, I've never used these before and am a bit perplexed. Just how are these installed? I first tried on some bullets I had HT'd to 18 BHN and sized to .309", no go, trying to size them on with a .310" die simply removed them. I tried again with un-sized air cooled WW bullets in both a .309" and .310" and this turns them inside out. Next I will see if I can expand the case necks enough to install them without crimping them on but seat them while seating the bullet.

So, people that are using them successfuly . . . How are you installing them?

Bottom line is that I haven't yet tried these checks in the 308.

Rick

[dromia]

I'll be up for a couple of these .311" and .315" GC.

I'll decide on pins nearer the time if that is OK?

[cbrick]

Thanks dromia, have you added as #20 & #21.

In addition to pin length & diameter also will need to know GC or Plain base.

Rick

[L1A1Rocker]

L1A1Rocker mailed me some plain base gas checks, I've never used these before and am a bit perplexed. Just how are these installed? I first tried on some bullets I had HT'd to 18 BHN and sized to .309", no go, trying to size them on with a .310" die simply removed them. I tried again with un-sized air cooled WW bullets in both a .309" and .310" and this turns them inside out. Next I will see if I can expand the case necks enough to install them without crimping them on but seat them while seating the bullet.

So, people that are using them successfuly . . . How are you installing them?

Bottom line is that I haven't yet tried these checks in the 308.

Rick

Hummm, I'm not sure why you are having a problem with these. My experence is limited but I've not had any problem putting them on the 247 NOE bison boolit.

I'm using 50/50 WW soft lead. My sizer is an RCBS that has a .309 sizer. I just put one on the bottom of the boolit and size/lube it normally. It kinda swages it on. Maybe Par can give a bit of insight to this.

Edit to add: I sent Pat a PM about this, hopefully he has a bit of guidance to offer.

Also, with this being a cramer style mold I'm VERY interested in a four cav PB. Thanks.

[PatMarlin]

Need some details-

What metal are you using for your checks?

What style/brand press are you using to size and lube with?

Forgive me if I missed it. I am crazy tired tonight.

[no34570]

I want to know,if I went for a .314 or.315,could I safely,without distorting the bullet,size down to .309-.310 with out any troubles.?
I usually have the right size on hand,I am trying to cater for a few rifles with different size bores???
TIA

[L1A1Rocker]

Need some details-

What metal are you using for your checks?

What style/brand press are you using to size and lube with?

Forgive me if I missed it. I am crazy tired tonight.


The checks are made from .004 aluminum (soda cans). Rick will have to chime in on what press he is using.

[PatMarlin]

18 BHN is probably to hard. Maybe not if they were checked and sized within the same day as cast, unless water dropped, but awfully hard for beer can AL.

Depends on the sizer as well. I include a few tips with the dies on PB checks. A sharp 90drgr edge on the mouth of the sizing die will cut the check. It needs a smooth mouth to make the transition.

I have not had trouble with WW alloy, even boolits that have sat for months,.

[kbstenberg]

Rick thank you for all your hard, long work to get this GB to this point.
I'm still very much interested in this GB with all my original options.
Longbow my hatsoff to all your hard work allso
Kevin

[cbrick]

The sizer is a Star, dies tried were .309" & .310". Alloy is COWW +2% Sn. BHN is 11-12 except a few that I had heat treated in the convection oven to see if it would help a PB bullet in the 308.

Still haven't shot these in the 308, was going to the range tomorrow, very unusual to get rain here this time of year but tomorrow will be the second Friday in a row with rain all day. Dang! :holysheep

Rick

[cbrick]

I want to know, if I went for a .314 or.315, could I safely, without distorting the bullet, size down to .309-.310 with out any troubles.? TIA

That's more than I would want to size any bullet. The few times I tried sizing this much it kinda worked by stepping down a couple of thousands at a time rather than all at once. Others in different threads have suggested stepping down with the lube groove filled to aid in not closing up the lube groove, still could shrink down the crimp groove.

If it were me and anyway I could swing it I would get one mold of each diameter.

Rick

[no34570]

That's more than I would want to size any bullet. The few times I tried sizing this much it kinda worked by stepping down a couple of thousands at a time rather than all at once. Others in different threads have suggested stepping down with the lube groove filled to aid in not closing up the lube groove, still could shrink down the crimp groove.

If it were me and anyway I could swing it I would get one mold of each diameter.

Rick
Yeah,I thought it would be too much to size down at once.....hmmmm,thinking,thinking!!!


If it were me and anyway I could swing it I would get one mold of each diameter.
I'd love to too,but don't know where I'll be in the way of finance when they are called??.:???:

[DragoonDrake]

I am pulling out guys, sorry.

[Wayne S]

I want to know,if I went for a .314 or.315,could I safely,without distorting the bullet,size down to .309-.310 with out any troubles.?
I usually have the right size on hand,I am trying to cater for a few rifles with different size bores???
TIA
I have no problem going from .314 to .309 with my process. I lube and size .313 in a Lyman 450, since I use a lube heater, I toss a fresh lubed bullet onto a tray with motor mica spread on it. keeps the lube from getting of other bullet noses. When I am finished, I use my reloading press and a Lee push through .309 die No problems so far.
Did I miss the cost of these molds in various forms ?? ie; GC NON HP ??

[cbrick]

Did I miss the cost of these molds in various forms ?? ie; GC NON HP ??

The cost of this mold wouldn't be any different than any other Mihec mold. Waiting to hear from Miha if PB/GC will be available in the same mold. (FP or non HP) if Miha agrees will simply be a set of pins as would be different cavity depths.

As for me, I do want two 4 cavity molds, one plain base and one gas check, both with at least two sets of pins, FP & the shallow HP pins. All Cramer style.

So far the only option Miha has mentioned is round pins only, no penta pins, round is good for me.

Hope to hear from longbow & get the final drawing off to Miha this weekend. Then it's waiting to hear from Miha on specifics such as cost, options etc. at which time I'll start a thread in the active group buy section.

Rick

[longbow]

Drawings are done but I want to leave them alone for a bit then go look them over again.

I will send to Rick for final approval tonight or tomorrow then off they go to Miha.

So far I have:

- 0.270" long pin
- 0.500" long pin
- meplat reduced to 0.130" with pin at 0.115" tapered to 0.085" (both pins)
- PB & GC options
- weights for PB should run about 135 gr. in FP, 129 gr. in 0.270" pin and 124 gr. for 0.500" pin ~ GC will be about 5 grs lighter without GC

Something I wouldn't mind adding if Miha will do it is an even longer pin of about 0.7" to make these boolits totally disintegrate on impact like the Ness Safety Bullet. Not a big deal but I would buy an extra set of pins if available. In fact the Ness Pins might even work in these moulds and that buy is now active.

Longbow

[L1A1Rocker]

The cost of this mold wouldn't be any different than any other Mihec mold. Waiting to hear from Miha if PB/GC will be available in the same mold. (FP or non HP) if Miha agrees will simply be a set of pins as would be different cavity depths.

As for me, I do want two 4 cavity molds, one plain base and one gas check, both with at least two sets of pins, FP & the shallow HP pins. All Cramer style.

So far the only option Miha has mentioned is round pins only, no penta pins, round is good for me.

Hope to hear from longbow & get the final drawing off to Miha this weekend. Then it's waiting to hear from Miha on specifics such as cost, options etc. at which time I'll start a thread in the active group buy section.

Rick

I think I'd be more interested in two sets of round pins that are at different depths. I see a bit of potential with a deep hollow point and very hard (brittle) alloy. I think that would make an excellent varmint round for 308 or 300BLK.

[cbrick]

I think I'd be more interested in two sets of round pins that are at different depths. I see a bit of potential with a deep hollow point and very hard (brittle) alloy. I think that would make an excellent varmint round for 308 or 300BLK.

In the plans are two lengths of pins. Final determination is up to Miha.

I have shot several ground squirrels with the short pin (.270") at reduced velocity (850 fps) from my Ruger 30 Carbine. Alloy was COWW +2% Sn and what I considered a bit too hard for a reduced velocity HP. I never recovered anything of a bullet or fragmentation, also never recovered 1/2 of the squirrel so it is opening up and dramatically. I have loaded some of the longer pin (deeper cavity) with the same load but no squirrels have presented themselves for testing as yet. (The cowards [smilie=1:)

I really don't think you will need any harder or more brittle alloy for this bullet to open up in dramatic fashion. :coffeecom

Rick

[PatMarlin]

Surely someone else wants this in 0.316" diameter... don't they?



Me- for my M1891.

[longbow]

Good man Pat!!!! Welcome aboard!

We may be the only two but I think this will be a dandy boolit for my .303's and all run about 0.315" throats.

I am really interested in Rick's results using PB GC's because I intend to get a PB mould. It I want to push velocity then I will try PB gas checks.

Longbow

[PatMarlin]

Lube is another critical need to use with PB checks. I'm working with them today and will posting a thread over in the GC section on using 45PB Pistol caliber checks,.

I've gone to some extremes with it to show what can be done, but everyone has to work within the limits of their alloy hardness, metal thickness, die setup, how far you are sizing down in diameter, etc. Just takes some experimentation to find out what works best for your boolit and setup.

One things for sure- where I've read guys say you cannot put a PB check on a boolit without distorting the base have no idea what they're talking about.

Baseless information, in other words... :mrgreen:

[cbrick]

Thanks Pat, I put you on the list in #5 where someone else dropped out.

Rick

[L1A1Rocker]

Do ya'll think we could take a look at the drawings - if they have been finalized.

Thanks.

[cbrick]

longbow sent me the final drawings yesterday. This weekend is our clubs regular two match plus the annual Thanksgiving Saturday nite dinner. I didn't have time yesterday to do anything with them. I left the match early today to put the drawings in post #1.

I am still trying to figure out what to do with PNG images. More accurate I am trying to figure out just what a PNG image is.

Under manage attachments it lists png files but they don't upload, nothing there. Still trying.

Rick

[cbrick]

Let's see if this works for the drawings.

Ok good, now I'll see if there is anything I can do to size them a bit larger, what is here is how I recieved them.

Rick

[longbow]

Final drawings that will be headed to Miha shortly.

Also, another 3D PDF file that you have to click on to open then use mouse buttons to rotate, zoom, etc.

Also, since this will be available in various diameters, I have shown the base size of 0.311" so since I believe Miha's method of increasing diameter will be to orbit the cherry, the meplat will be slightly larger as will the lube groove dimension for any boolit diameters larger than 0.311". However, we are only talking about 0.005" on diameter for the largest size at 0.316".

Longbow

(edit) POOP! Rick was posting while I was cropping to post soooo, double post! I tried to get them as large as I could but I do not know why there is no "zoom" when the image is open. If there is a better way of posting please let me know.

[cbrick]

longbow, I just noticed that all four drawings are GC design and two of them have a GC shank of .260" and one is .280" ??

Rick

[longbow]

3D models and drawings were just exported and sent to Miha.

Longbow

[longbow]

Rick:

The first two fully dimensioned drawings are PB. The dimension you are seeing at 0.260" is the lube groove diameter.

The GC version only has the gas check shank and bottom driving band dimensions shown since those are the changes.

I am guessing most people will want GC but I had already drawn and dimensioned the PB versions with both pins lengths so just stuck with that and added the GC "bottom".

Both are there.

Longbow

[L1A1Rocker]

Rick:

The first two fully dimensioned drawings are PB. The dimension you are seeing at 0.260" is the lube groove diameter.

The GC version only has the gas check shank and bottom driving band dimensions shown since those are the changes.

I am guessing most people will want GC but I had already drawn and dimensioned the PB versions with both pins lengths so just stuck with that and added the GC "bottom".

Both are there.

Longbow

Looking at the drawing it does look like they are all gas check boolits. Maybe I'm not seeing something because of the small size but it sure looks like the diameter of the boolit at the base is much smaller than .311.

[buyobuyo]

They only look gas checked because of the size of the image. If you're using Firefox or Google Chrome, click on the image in the post. When it pops up, click it again and it should open in its own tab. Then you should be able to hold down ctrl and use the mouse wheel to zoom in on the image. I don't know if Internet Explorer works the same way. Pressing Ctrl and Zero returns you to the default zoom level.

[PatMarlin]

Here's a thread started on PB gas check operation. More to be posted there as time permits.

Using the Checkmaker™ 45PB Pistol Caliber Dies
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=133265

[longbow]

I probably should have dragged the 0.260" lube groove dimension down below the base along with the 0.311" driving band diameter. In fact it was but the dimension was so remote from the groove I put it back where it is now.

buyobuyo is right ~ when viewed larger it is obvious what dimension is what.

Also, line weight is not as distinct as I would like but I seem to be having trouble with getting correct line weights when exporting.

I could change colour so that the boolit outline is a different colour from the dimensions. Then there would be no confusion.

Longbow

[longbow]

Let's see if this helps.

The only difference in PB drawings is the depth of HP.

[HiVelocity]

I can see now that this one will surely be a winner.

Please put me down for a 4 banger, I'd like it to drop at .312; all cavities GC, with only the "short" pins.

And, if I could have it in my hands by next weekend, that would be great!

HV:bigsmyl2:

[L1A1Rocker]

Let's see if this helps.

The only difference in PB drawings is the depth of HP.

That's much better, thanks. Is there a way to post a larger image? I can blow it up but the resolution is such that you cannot read any of the deminsions. With it small the print is too tiny to read, with it blown up the information is too blurry to read.

Anyhow, the real questions I'm trying to answer are; how long is the boolit, and how long is it from the crimp groove to the front tip?

Thank you very much for taking on this project, this design is looking like another great winner - and in a cramer style mold to boot!

[longbow]

Boolit O/A length is 0.800".

Front edge of crimp groove to nose is 0.440".

From the bottom of the crimp groove to nose is 0.451".

Yes, there has to be a better way to post. Maybe Photobucket would work better. I always loose resolution when I export to .jpg or .png then post.

I will play some to see what I can come up with to get better posted images.

Longbow

[cbrick]

How's this?

Rick

http://www.lasc.us/311410%20_130%20x%20_5%20PB.png http://www.lasc.us/311410%20_130%20x%20_270%20PB.png http://www.lasc.us/311410%20CG%20ASSY-1.png http://www.lasc.us/311410%20CG-1.png

[longbow]

For now, this will have to do.

I have reattached all drawings with dimensions as .pdf files so you will have to open the .pdf file but resolution is good and it opens to full size.

I will look for another way.

Longbow

[longbow]

Alright, Rick beat me to it again.

Now I have to ask how you did that?

[cbrick]

Alright, Rick beat me to it again.

Now I have to ask how you did that?

Pretty neet huh?

I did it by not hosting the pics at Castboolits. They are actually on my web site where there is no limitations on picture/file size. Anyone that loads this page is getting the drawings from my web site. Right mouse click on a drawing, left mouse click on "properties", a window will pop up that tells you the location of the image, file size etc.

Rick

[longbow]

Okay, now that Rick has shown me up in picture posting... how are the drawings? Any issues, complaints, questions?

If so let me know quick because they were sent to Miha yesterday.

Oh, yeah, pretty neet alright. I wonder if I could do that using Photobucket.

Longbow

[buyobuyo]

Everything looks good to me.

[L1A1Rocker]

Okay, now that Rick has shown me up in picture posting... how are the drawings? Any issues, complaints, questions?

If so let me know quick because they were sent to Miha yesterday.

Oh, yeah, pretty neet alright. I wonder if I could do that using Photobucket.

Longbow

Question: Anyone have an idea on what the OAL would be with this loaded into a 300BLK to the crimp groove?

[PatMarlin]

Outstanding pics LB.. :drinks:

[bronte454]

Super fabulous effort , team work , and design and drawing I have been watching and trying to figure out what kind of extra job I can get too pay for all these great molds. Will see what happens with timing an finances but I would like one of these . Great stuff guys

[longbow]

Thanks Pat.

L1A1Rocker:

Can't tell you OAL but the length from bottom of crimp groove (case mouth) to nose is 0.451" so add your cartridge length and you are there.

Longbow

[Dr.Phil]

More importantly for the 300 BLK when used in an AR configuration is the Ogive location.
The COAL need to be equal to where the magazine contacts the Ogive in order to feed well.

The OAL for the 300 BLK using this bullet will be 1.819"
300 BLK SAAMI case length = 1.368"
Length from bottom of crimp groove (case mouth) to nose = .451"
(1.368"+.451"=1.819")
Can anyone provide the COAL?

[shdwlkr]

all right depending on when funds are needed I am interested in a .312 and .315 diameter, .270 hp pin, and 2 cavity of each gc please I think that is all the options.

[cbrick]

shdwlkr, We are waiting to hear from Miha on the final options which is why this is not yet in the active group buy thread. What we are currently looking at is:

Cramer style.
GC version - Plain base version. It's up to Miha if this can be in the same mold.
A set of pins for a .270" cavity - A set of pins for a .500" cavity - A set of pins to cast flat point with no HP pin sticking out under the mold.
As cast diameter of .311" and as cast diameter of .314" or .315" diameter.

Final options are up to Miha and we should soon have the needed info to move this to an active GB.

So if I am reading your post correctly you want two molds, a four cavity with 2 PB and two GC @ .311" and a four cavity two GC, two PB @ .315", both with the .270" pins.

Let me know if I have this figured outcorrectly and I'll add you to the list.

Rick

[PatMarlin]

Thought I would post a note to you guys who shoot AR's.

I have designed and added a set of dies that make a tall- PB gas check for the AR platform in my arsenal. I just sent a set of Checkmaker™ 45PB AR caliber dies to BD- William here on the forum to test per his request.

The dies form a PB check about 1.00-1.010 tall and when swaged and sized into the boolit, will even be a bit taller. No reason why they couldn't be made for other calibers used with the AR.

[shdwlkr]

Rick I was thinking of a 2 cavity mold in each case instead of the four cavity and in gc design only for each. keep me posted as to where we are on this one and yes what you have just might work also depending on cost and when money is needed. Dang now you have me thinking again and it hurts this early in the day but that just might be the way to go. Sorry for being so confusing but options are just that options and I have to think some more on that issue. So put me down for 2 molds right now to be determined once we know what the real options are OK?

[shdwlkr]

Pat
what about one for those of us who have AR's that shoot .225 caliber stuff. I am just getting into the AR world again after a vacation of almost 35 years with those rifles. Yes they have made some improvements since then and I have found one that speaks to me so now I am going into the black rifle world where I never expected to walk again in this life. Yes mine looks just like the one I used to have for years when I belonged to Uncle. My new one is similar but not the same by a long shot.

[cbrick]

shdwlkr, not a problem, this is a discussion thread after all.

Once we get the final details from Miha this will be less confusing and much easier to make a final decision.

Rick

[PatMarlin]

Yep- Stewart. 22 cal is coming. It's just I have to finish all the large caliber design programs now that are on the burner as you well know.

BD- has had that order in for a very long time. Even longer than yours ...:mrgreen:

I think tall PB checks are going to work well for many applications. Exciting stuff... to me anyway.

[Suo Gan]

I am interested. 0.315" for me

[cbrick]

Suo Gan, got ya on the list, thanks.

Rick

[shdwlkr]

Pat
You got the brain working that was all and yes I know the fun you have been having and just looking to see if I owe you more money. Can't wait to find out you have made the 25, 27 and other gc tools.

[castblast]

I would be interested in two 2 cavity molds, both diameters, all gc, all pins.

Thanks

[cbrick]

Thanks castblast, got you listed.

Still waiting to hear back from Miha after he recieved the drawings.

Rick

[Ugluk]

Sorry for being ignorant;
Would this boolit be likely to work in 30-06?
I don't even have the rifle yet, but the price of hunting rounds in that caliber is horrible, so I'm already looking for a mold. All other rifle molds up in GB so far has been NOE's and I don't care for an aluminum mold now that I've got a brass one.

If a gc one would have a reasonable chance of shooting well in a Husqvarna 30-06 I'm insisting on being in for a 2-cav with both set of pins.

I'd appreciate your experienced advice.

[cbrick]

Sure, it could probably be made to work but I wouldn't try for or expect 06 velocities. Also, being a light bullet for the 06 what do you plan to hunt with it?

Rick

[Ugluk]

Sure, it could probably be made to work but I wouldn't try for or expect 06 velocities. Also, being a light bullet for the 06 what do you plan to hunt with it?

Rick

To be honest, mostly paper targets as a practice load.
I'm thinking also perhaps red fox, badger and roe deer. All thin skinned and 30-50# game.

Ironically I just discovered that NOE has a brass option gb for a 210gr .30 boolit! I ran some tests in QL and found that energy wise it could be suitable even for moose.
Perhaps the two weights would make good alternatives depending on application. A light varmint/practice hp and a big heavy shoulderkiller?

[Dannix]

One option for you Ugluk:
NOE 311 175Gr. FN (Saeco #315) (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=134023)
Looks like a real dandy in 30-06, but then it seems Ben just knows how to make his rifles sing beautifully:
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=68479

[Ugluk]

One option for you Ugluk:
NOE 311 175Gr. FN (Saeco #315) (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=134023)
Looks like a real dandy in 30-06, but then it seems Ben just knows how to make his rifles sing beautifully:
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=68479

Thanks for the tip, but that one seems to be an aluminum only GB. I did sign up for the NOE311290 however.

Rick,
Put me up for this 311410 too, a 2-cav GC, both sets of pins .

[longbow]

What are we doing here? Has this got enough interest to become a group buy or not?

I know I would like one.

Longbow

[cbrick]

Waiting to hear from Miha. I have been thinking of sending you a PM to see if you had heard from him cause you sent the drawings.

I think it's been enough time that perhaps we should try contacting him again (over 2 weeks). I can't start the active thread until we have the needed info such as exactly what's available and the prices so I need to hear from Miha. Stuck until then.

Rick

[longbow]

Okay. just wondering... and it gives this a bump for more viewing.

I did a couple of designs for 69daytona and it took Miha a long time to get back to him. I think Miha is veeeeeery busy.

Longbow

[midnight]

It's time to refine my choice. I would like a 2 cavity GC, 0.311dia, 0.500 long round flippable pins. Do you think we could ever get Miha to drill his molds for the temp probe? Swede drills his in the lower left rear. The hole is 0.155 (#22) and is 0.800 deep. The problem is that is right where Miha's alignment pins are. Swede's alignment pins are in the mold handle slot so he can drill below it. I'm still trying to figure out where the best place to drill Miha's is. Any ideas? Drilling and tapping another small hole at right angles to the probe for a set screw could also be a pain. Maybe drilling the probe hole slightly undersize and lapping it to a fairly tight slip fit would work although the set screw is more reliable.

Bob

[cbrick]

Got you updated midnight.

Don't know about Miha drlling for Swedes probe, that hasn't come up before. Still waiting to hear from him.

Rick

[Eastwood]

Anybody know how this would work in a Marlin 336?

Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk

[castalott]

Someone offered to use their paypal so I can pay overseas....

So I want 2= .311 brass, 4 cavity, Cramer, plain base, Miha with all pins

and 1= .311 brass, 4 cavity, Cramer, gas checked, Miha with all pins

IT IS BRASS...ISN'T IT?

Oh...one more thing....if everyone agrees, I would like the nose profile modified to get as much groove riding diameter and as much bore riding diameter as possible. That long nose looks to be unsupported in the bore....What think you guys?

[cbrick]

castalott, got you added. Yes, brass.

I doubt that the nose will be changed, the drawings are already submitted and there has been no talk of at all of changing the nose profile other than the added driving band after the crimp groove. I can attest that it shoots very well as is though I haven't tried pushing it hard.


Anybody know how this would work in a Marlin 336?

Single loaded it should work well. I haven't tried it in a tubular magazine but at best it would flatten the HP, at worst it could set of a round in the magazine.

Rick

[cutter_spc]

I think this would make for a great bullet for my Blackout, I would be interested in a brass 2 cavity, in .311 with the deep, normal, and flat point pins.

[cbrick]

cutter, I have you added in spot #22 to fill in for someone that dropped out.

Rick

[cutter_spc]

I think this would make for a great bullet for my Blackout, I would be interested in a brass 2 cavity, in .311 with the deep, normal, and flat point pins.

I should have said gas checked in my request as well, thanks.

[kmag]

I am interested in one of these molds will give you the details after we hear from Miha with the facts about what he can make and if pb and hp can be cut in same mold block etc.

[dagunnut]

I am in .311", 4 cavity, GC, Cramer with all available pins

[cbrick]

Thanks dagunnut, have you listed.

Rick

[Mohillbilly]

I'd like 1 , 4 cav. GC brass short pin in .316 range . 1 , 4 cav. brass GC long pin .311 range . Should work in my BLKHWK. , 30 carbine , or Automag pistol, .316 should do for SKS , 303 , or 7.62 Rooshin . Mabe a .311 4 cav. PB as well . I am still think'n about it .

[cbrick]

Thanks Mohillbilly, Got you listed. I went ahead and put you down for the PB 4 cav, this is still a discussion thread until we hear from Miha, soon I hope. When the thread is started in the active group buy section you can add, delete, whatever.

Rick

[Greg]

Rick-

Did you ever get around to shooting more of the 311410’s in a .308 ?

Plain base or with the Free Checks ?



Plain base loads that work for me - that duplicate .32 RF; 32-20; and 32-40 velocities:

30-30 - WLP - 2½ grains Red Dot - Lyman 311241@ 105 grains ~ approx 1000 fps

30-30 - WLP - 7½ grains Unique - Lyman 3118@ 120 grains ~ 1450 fps

30-30 - WLP - 8 grains Herco - Lyman 311290 plain base@ 207 grains ~ approx 1300 fps

Junior 1942 has mentioned that leading starts with plain base Boolits about 1500 or so, which has been my experience also.

plain base would make a great plinker…and a free check, up the velocity and flatten some varmints. or just buy two moulds !!

[Springfield]

I am in for a 2 cav GC .311 with short HP pins.

[cbrick]

Greg, No, been really under the weather lately and haven't made it to the range at all.

Springfield, thanks, got you listed.

Rick

[Wayne S]

Do we have a $$ cost for this one yet ?

[cbrick]

Do we have a $$ cost for this one yet ?

No, that's why it's not yet in the group buy thread, still waiting to hear back from Miha, been about 3 weeks now since we sent him the drawings, hopefully soon.

Rick

[L1A1Rocker]

I see a question mark after my name, guess I should fill in the blanks, lol.

4 cavity, .311 with all pins that would be available. Thanks

[cbrick]

Thanks L1A1Rocker, added that info.

Now if we only knew if you wanted PB or GC????

Rick

[cbrick]

We are still waiting to hear back from Miha, soon I hope.

Rick

[L1A1Rocker]

Thanks L1A1Rocker, added that info.

Now if we only knew if you wanted PB or GC????

Rick

Now don't I feel foolish, lol. PB please.

[cbrick]

I sent Miha a PM 2-3 weeks ago and still haven't heard from him. I'll try again.

Rick

[rollmyown]

2 cav GC please - All pin options. (.311)

[cbrick]

Thanks rollmyown, got you added.

Rick

[shangrila]

I am in .311", 4 cavity, GC, Cramer with all available pins, too!

:lovebooli

[cbrick]

Welcome to CastBoolits shangrila,

Got you on the list, thanks.

Rick

[shdwlkr]

Rick why not give Swede a email and see what he can do since Miha hasn't answered. just a thought not a request.

[cbrick]

Rick why not give Swede a email and see what he can do since Miha hasn't answered. just a thought not a request.

I have considered that but a couple of things. One is that according to NOE's schedule and assuming he stays on schedule the quickest we would have this mold is a year from March. I am waiting on an NOE mold right now that was on the schedule for November, then changed to December, it's now mid January. Given the perfection of Al's molds I can easily understand how busy he is.

Next is that most of the people on the list have asked for a Cramer style mold, me included. If Al were to make this mold I would get it as a FN and then send it to Erik for the Cramer style HP running up the cost (and time) even more.

longbow sent Miha an email last weekend, haven't heard back from either one yet.

I'll give Miha a little more time, hope all is well with him.

Rick

[Beau Cassidy]

I got a mold from Miha today so he must be OK. How about tasking Ballisticast? My guess is you could have it in a month.

[longbow]

Miha e-mailed back yesterday. He has not forgotten about us but is busy and says he is working double time!

He said he doesn't have an exact production date set and it sounds like he is busy trying to catch up.

I know he has several other moulds in the works so it may be a while yet but his moulds are worth waiting for. I know am willing to wait for a Mihec brass Cramer mould.

Longbow

[cbrick]

Thanks Longbow, appreciate that. Your right, a brass work of art from Miha is worth much more than the wait and his price.

Rick

[kmag]

cbrick, I'm checking this thread every day. Know I may not have sounded too interested in my first post. But rest assured. I am. Just can't tell you what I want until we get the details from Miha. Think a brass cramer will be worth the wait. If I live that long. (:-)

[cbrick]

Not a problem kmag, we are all eagerly waiting to hear from Miha. I'm sure that once this thread is in the active buy section the list will grow fast, this really is a great bullet design.

Rick

[L1A1Rocker]

I have considered that but a couple of things. One is that according to NOE's schedule and assuming he stays on schedule the quickest we would have this mold is a year from March. I am waiting on an NOE mold right now that was on the schedule for November, then changed to December, it's now mid January. Given the perfection of Al's molds I can easily understand how busy he is.

Next is that most of the people on the list have asked for a Cramer style mold, me included. If Al were to make this mold I would get it as a FN and then send it to Erik for the Cramer style HP running up the cost (and time) even more.

longbow sent Miha an email last weekend, haven't heard back from either one yet.

I'll give Miha a little more time, hope all is well with him.

Rick


Agreed. If this is an aluminum mold I'm not real interested. If it is not a cramer style HP I'm out for sure. I know that Miha is starting the machining of the H&G #68 HP molds next week so he is operating. He is notoriously slow in returning emails. I'm sure all is well.

[x101airborne]

Well, so I can quit foaming at the mouth... Im in. 4 cav, 2 plain base, 2 gas check. 314 / 315 diamater, all pin options. I hope this moves to the active section soon.

[cbrick]

kmag, yep, were all waiting, I too think this bullet in Miha brass Cramer 4 cav will be well the wait.

x101airborne, thanks, got ya on the list.

Rick

[midnight]

cbrick, upon further review, change my preference to a 4 cavity GC and lets include both sets of pins. I have been casting a lot lately with 4 & 5 cavity molds and have come to realize how much I like them. I too am only interested in brass from Miha. It's probably a good thing this is taking so long. I'm in so many group buys, I'd go broke if they all asked for payment now. I'm kind of like the gummint,committing my future earnings now.

Bob

[shangrila]

I'm interested in a 4C GC with long, short, and flat pins.

[cbrick]

shangrila, I've added you to the list. We have asked Miha to make this mold in two diameters, both .311" and .315", we need to know which you want? I doubt he will make both diameters in a single block.

Rick

[shangrila]

.311 for me. Thanks!

[midnight]

There has been talk of shooting this bullet in the 30 Carbine & 308. I will use it in the 30 Carbine and also in a 14in 30-30 Contender. T/C sold a lot of 30-30 Contenders and this bullet should be perfect for it. I have been shooting a 130 or 135gr J-bullet in it and now will have a cas bullet too. Are all of Miha's pins reversable for a flat point? A flat point might be a deer bullet in the Contender.

Bob

[cbrick]

shangrila, change made, thanks.

midnight, we have put in for a third set of pins that will cast FP only and so that the HP pins don't protrude under the mold, make it easier for the bottom pourers. I have you listed for the .270" and .500" pins, should I change you to "all pins"?

Rick

[midnight]

Yes

Bob

[longbow]

I would like to confirm my mould choices since the comments were made early on before the design was more or less finalized:

- 2 cavity for sure and possibly 4 cavity depending on price
- 0.315" diameter
- PB all cavities
- All pins

That should do it.

Now for the pacing and waiting! I am sure it will be worth it though.

Longbow

[cbrick]

Bob, longbow, changes to list made. Thanks.

Longbow, been awhile since I said thanks for all your help on this. Thanks.

Rick

[longbow]

Rick:

You are very welcome. I am looking forward to this mould myself.

I hope Miha doesn't keep us waiting too long but regardless it will be worth the wait. As you know, he does excellent work.

Longbow

[rollmyown]

Don't miss it! This looks a beauty.

[HiVelocity]

Would you put me down for this mold:

2 cavity, gas check, .270 pin length, .315 diameter.

Thanks,

HV

PM already sent and answered, thanks!

[Janoosh]

I would like to be included also. A two cavity, all pins, 315, pb.

[cbrick]

Thanks janoosh, got ya on the list.

Rick

[HiVelocity]

Just food for thought:

All you folks out there with AK's and SKS's; I would imagine, and correct me if I'm wrong, that this design would be super in any of the Russki's.

If you're contemplating ordering, please do. Don't be like me and procrastinate until the GB closes and "then" decide to jump on...............lol!

I'm on the list, I can't wait. MiHa's molds are the best.

Thanks,

HV :lovebooli

[cbrick]

I can't wait. MiHa's molds are the best. Thanks,

HV :lovebooli

I just recieved a PM (not from Miha) that says Miha is going to quit his day time job and start making molds full time. That would be incredible news for anyone that has ever used a Miha work of art. He has been back logged lately and working double time to try and get caught up.

Only one problem with a Miha mold, they are such works of brass art I kinda hate to pour lead into them . . . But I get over that pretty quick. :mrgreen: They are worth far more than the wait to get one.

Rick

[cbrick]

Here is where the info on Miha making molds full time came from.

Miha update (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=143265)

Rick

[Greg]

Rick-

please put me down for this group buy

2 cavity - Hollow Point / Gas Check @ .311

.500 Hollow Point pins

.270 Hollow Point pins

Plug Pins

Thank you for Honcho’n this Group Buy

[cbrick]

Thanks Greg, gotch ya down.

Rick

[Hamish]

Rick, interested in a 2 cavity .315 with short pins. Cost?

[cbrick]

A quick check on a Miha active group buy should tell the cost for all varieties. I always get the 4 cav and I think that's $85.00 plus shipping, plus any additional pins.

Rick

[cbrick]

Hamish, wasn't clear from your post if you wanted to be added to the "interested in" list. I added you, let me know if this is correct?

EDIT: Also if you want plain base or gas check?

Rick

[midnight]

Now that Miha will be doing this full time I hope he sets up some kind of production schedule similar to Swede. I keep Swede's schedule hanging next to my computer to keep track of things. I'm in 10 through next Dec and have received 1 with 9 to go. Even though Swede has to readjust the schedule periodicaly it really lets you know where you stand. I'm in 6 of Miha's buys but have no idea when they might be produced. A schedule helps me control things. Also drawings with dimensions, pricing, options, and pictures in the first post are helpful. I can print it and put it in the mold box when it comes.

Bob

PS: any idea when this might go active?

[shangrila]

I'm interested in a 2 cav .315 GC with all the pins in addition to my other mold. Please adjust my other one to 2 cav .311 GC with all pins. Thanks!!!

[cbrick]

Got it shangrila, thanks.

Rick

[Hamish]

cbrick, I think I'm going to back out on this one, was going to buy as it would go down soon, but it would be too many compromises in the name of convenience.

Thank you sir.

[crabo]

I don't have time to read 12 pages right now, but would this be a good mold for the 300 Blackout?

[cbrick]

Well crabo, I would answer your question except for one little problem.

I haven't a clue what a 300 Blackout might be. If the offered diameters will fit the bore of your 300 Blackout ??

Rick

[hicard]

Crabo, one of the reasons I am getting this mould is to try in my 300 blk. I have used a similar design/weight mould with success in that cal. and this looks to be good to go. I am a little concerned about the .311 measurement in from of the front band but it doesn't look like it goes very far into the throat so I'm guessing it will fit ok.

[cbrick]

Ok, so who is gonna tell me what a 300 Blackout is? :coffeecom

Rick

[buyobuyo]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62%C3%9735mm

It's an AR-15 round. .223 case necked up to .308.

[cbrick]

.223 case necked up to .308.

Ah, I see. I've done that except I called it a 30 TCU. :mrgreen: This sounds much the same with a new evil name to make it sell better. There is not much new under the sun. There is also of course JDJ's whisper rounds that are similair in concept.

I can't speak of the AR-15 but in a T/C which is notoriously deep throated this bullet possibly could be a bit short to work well though I've never tried it in one.

Rick

[bwgdog]

When will this go active? tia

[cbrick]

When will this go active? tia

Wish I could answer that. The last word from Miha said he is working hard to get caught up. Plus it sounds like he going to go full time mold maker in the near future & that should help all of us out a great deal.

Rick

[Rattlesnake Charlie]

I'm in.
4 cavity brass Cramer Style HP mold
All cavities gas check
Both pin lengths of .270" and .500"
Additional pin set for casting solids
As cast diameter of .311"

[cbrick]

Thanks Charlie, got ya on the list.

Rick

[PB234]

Please add me to the list:

.315
four cavity with 2 GC and two PB
all pins

if not possible to purchase a mold with both PB & GC then make it 4 GC if necessary

jeff5tg at yahoo dot com

[cbrick]

PB234, I added you to the list on page 1, the mixed PB/GC will be up to Miha.

Thanks,

Rick

[hicard]

I am #12 and wanted to add that I would like the .270 short hp pin to my order.

[DDriller]

I am in for a 2 cav GC .311 with all pins.

[cbrick]

hicard, make sure I now have you listed correctly.

DDriller, have you listed. Thanks.

Rick

[hicard]

cbrick, I do not want the .500 pin, just the .270 pin please. hicard #12 on list.