noe copy of saeco 221 .225 AR boolit

[castblast]

I just got done casting some of these little guys. NOE sure does make some fine molds!

Have everything I need except gas checks. Hornady checks have been out of stock everywhere I've looked. Don't want to pay the extra for Lyman.

Does anybody have load data for this boolit? Or other experience with cast and AR-15?

Thanks in advance for any help.

[madsenshooter]

Aluminum gaschecks for 22s, $20/1000+$2.05 shipping: http://www.ebay.com/itm/22-Caliber-009-Aluminum-Gas-Checks-1000-Count-/130493605533?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e6206669d I hate to spend money on ebay, but it'll get you going. If you're looking to do things on the cheap, consider using a kicker with a caseful of 860 or something on that order. I use it in my 6x45AR. Kicker is 5gr of 10B101, a powder that burns about Blue Dot speed, plus enough 860 to fill the case enough that I get compression when I seat the bullet. Last trip out, I got 2550fps with reasonable accuracy and great ballistic uniformity. Start at 2gr with the kicker, it has more effect on velocity than varying the main charge.

[HARRYMPOPE]

how about a Sig 556 and casts madsenshoter? i got one in trade and its AK like in its gas system and i plan to run some Eagan 62's and the SAECO 221 NOE i just bought.I will try your duplex load.How about a 4895 load?

George

[madsenshooter]

George I haven't worked much with the .223 yet. In my opinion, when you're working with small bores and only have rifling .002" or less tall, using a good hard alloy, or heat treating softer ones, and a minimal amount of lube is essential. Especially if you have a faster twist, like that cursed 1/8 Obermeyer of mine. I don't have any 4895 loads for the .223, except jacketed, that's easy, fill the case and compress it.

[HARRYMPOPE]

i shoot cast in 22-250's and 222's and shoot them hard.I will do the same with the SIG 556 and the Eagan MX3-22EX 62g and report back tomorrow.I took the rifle in trade and just want to shoot a few cast out of curiosity before i send it along.I got rid of the FAL and want to get an AR10 308 to shoot cast with.This is just a trade item towards that.

George

[castblast]

Aluminum gaschecks for 22s, $20/1000 =$2.05 shipping: http://www.ebay.com/itm/22-Caliber-009-Aluminum-Gas-Checks-1000-Count-/130493605533?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e6206669d I hate to spend money on ebay, but it'll get you going. If you're looking to do things on the cheap, consider using a kicker with a caseful of 860 or something on that order. I use it in my 6x45AR. Kicker is 5gr of 10B101, a powder that burns about Blue Dot speed, plus enough 860 to fill the case enough that I get compression when I seat the bullet. Last trip out, I got 2550fps with reasonable accuracy and great ballistic uniformity. Start at 2gr with the kicker, it has more effect on velocity than varying the main charge.

Thanks madsen. I was on Gunbroker last night and found 1000 Hornady checks for $24 + shipping. Appreciate the info though. Found a load of 18gr of H4895 on another thread. I have some of that so I'll probably start with a load of about 15-16 grains. Being somewhat new to reloading I don't think duplex loads are a good idea for me yet, although it does sound interesting.

[madsenshooter]

The most interesting part is the inexpensive nature of the powders used. 867 is $39/8lb at Wideners, and the 10B101 was around $7/lb when Bartlett had it. I can't say much for the way 10B101 measures, but I've got lots of time on my hands, Lee dippers will do.

[Moonie]

I believe Hodgdon says you can go to 60% of max for H4895, seem to remember that was 16gr for .223. I do believe the sons mid-length AR cycled at 16gr, I know it did at 18gr. At 16gr I was expecting to have to go to the light spring I purchased, but I didn't.

[HARRYMPOPE]

In my SIG 556 it took 20g of H4895 to cycle the action.So far accuracy is non existent but with a 1-7 at 2600 fps i would have been surprised if it was.So the SIG 556 goes down the road.I have no use for a gun that wont handle cast bullets at least reasonably well.

George

[Moonie]

Don't they beat the **** out of the brass as well?

[HARRYMPOPE]

Don't they beat the **** out of the brass as well?


not with the cast loads but yes with the ball ammo.

George

[madsenshooter]

George, I've got my 6mm Eagan, outta my AR which has a 1/8 twist, shooting pretty good at 2353fps. Takes a hardened bullet, and as little lube as possible. Paul Pollard tells me you've had some experience with some sort of wax, something you and Fred Sinclair were working on. That .002 tall rifling is hard to get a grip on, even with the small lube groove of the Eagan, I had clear liquid wax dripping out the end of my barrel after a few rounds, using C-Red, so I mixed up LLA, mineral spirits and Marvel Mystery Oil. Paint it on the bands and sides of the gascheck with a Q-Tip. For the CBA shooting I don't worry about cycling, but for hunting I do, the duplex will cycle my AR, have you had a chance to try that yet?

[HARRYMPOPE]

the bullets are 22 BHN and i use very little lube.I have shot over 2500fps somewhat successfully in other 22 calibers but not in this one.I may use the duplex load you gave me this weekend. i use the same basic recipe in a 357 Magnum rifle with 280g bullets and it burns clean.

[madsenshooter]

Tight twists are not easy, that's for sure. With DP85, which burns about the same as Ramshot's Hunter or one of the 4350s. I was able to get 2450fps out of the 6mm Eagan with 1" 100yd accuracy. Shot in a CBA match yesterday but the wind was 25-30mph with gusts to 40mph, so the little bullet didn't do so good. I had oven heat treated the bullets to over 30BHN. Start low with the kicker on the duplex, it only takes a couple grains to clean up the burn, then one or two more to make a rifle length gas system cycle. When the load blows lead back on the case neck, your initial pressure is too high for the alloy. Even with the DP85, I was seeing that at 28gr but I was still shooting a 2x2 square at 100, 2550fps.