312-314 pistol bullet 6 cavity ?

[Willbird]

Ok this is just talk.....but down the road here a bit who would be interested in a 32 caliber bullet of some kind in a 6 cavity ?? everything Lee makes as a standard looks kind of silly.

Said bullet would have LOTS of other uses than 32 caliber revolvers too.

Being that we could use 30 caliber rifle checks on this bullet I'm purely on the fence as to plain base or gascheck...I'll gladly go either way. Any Nose design (hopefully something that has some meplet)...any weight between 80 and 120 grains.

I have a K32, a 32/20 hand ejector, and a single six 32 H&R that are all begging for a good bullet.

purely as an act of desperation I wonder if a Lee round nosed 6 cavity could be reworked with the proper tool to make a flatter nose inside the existing cavity ?

Bill

[45 2.1]

The Saeco 322 118 gr. RNFP or the Lyman 311008 are great bullets as long as the nose is large enough. Thats been a problem from current molds. I don't think one needs a gas check on a fun bullet due to increased cost.

[woody1]

.313-.314" from wheelweights, NO gascheck and I'd prob'ly go along. Actually, I'd like the Lee 311-093-1R at .314" with a little meplat. I have that mold and like the boolit but it casts a little small for some of my 32's. Regards,
Woody

[Bodydoc447]

With or without gascheck, you can count me in! I would love a GC .32-20 mold in 6 cavity. My Marlin is hungry for such a bullet. I have a plain based Saeco 4 cavity now and it is very good but would like a GC to step it up a little for the rifle. Emmett Boaz ran a nice run of .25-20 molds with and without GCs and they have been wonderful (I got one of each and the sizer).

Bodydoc447

[Powderpacker]

I would be interested in a .312-.314 SWC or RNFP. Actually, the classic .358/158g SWC scaled down to .312-.314 would be a good looking boolit. I don't need a GC design but would buy a GC mold if that's what the majority wanted. Can we get a group rate on .312 and .313 sizing dies? I think stock Lee dies jump from .311 to .314 .

[Scrounger]

I'm not into this caliber, but is it possible for Lee to cut it with 3 cavities gas checked and 3 cavities flat based? The best of both worlds, make everybody happy. NEI does molds like that all the time.

[Willbird]

From what others have said they would charge another setup charge to do some of the molds one some another. I would think what you said would be the same deal.


I would rather have Plain based myself....but I wouldnt turn my nose up at a gascheck mold.........what would really be the cats ass is if some smart guy at Lee said "hey this bullet is pretty tiny in them blocks, lets make the molds (and sprueplates) 7 or 8 cavity and see what these 25 guys say.

Bill

[45 2.1]

Something like this?

[Willbird]

Man that is purty aint it ??

I would think the 32-20 lever guys would chime in as to where the crimp groove needs to be, we might need more than one ?



Bill

[felix]

Crimp presently for a 0.300" nose. Should fit any lever gun? ... felix

[45 2.1]

Nose to crimp is 0.285" which feeds perfectly in my 32-20 rifles. This nose is a copy of my most accurate version of the 3118/311008 in a old Ideal mold. The newer versions have considerably smaller noses. Cast diameter would be about .314".

[Willbird]

I must say I would drag my scrotum thru broken glass for several miles to get that bullet in a 6 cavity mold.

Bill

[lar45]

I'll take one. I just got two 32 top break revolvers and a 32 H&R mag also that will need to be fed.
Somebody remind me when It's time to send money.
idahobronco@aol.com
Glenn.

[Buckshot]

I'll take one. I just got two 32 top break revolvers and a 32 H&R mag also that will need to be fed.
Somebody remind me when It's time to send money.
idahobronco@aol.com
Glenn.

............Glenn you oughta see someone about that :-) Sounds like you have a problem!

...............Buckshot

[Rrusse11]

45,
With apologies for reworking ur drwg,,,,,, but here's a GC version with smaller meplat.
http://www.marlinowners.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_314RFGCBoolit%20copy.jpg

Personally I'd prefer somethin' like this.
Cheers all,
R*2

Ps. And the sizer die AND a set of handles with the group buy please.

[Rrusse11]

Gents,
Rework ur action a little, and get a hi-velocity 32,,,,,,,, this using the 360 DW case, the 357Mag to 1.410", and a 30/357AET die I picked up from the inventory reduction at Midway. {:o),,,,,,, just another mad scheme.
A GC boolit in a rechambered 32-20 barrel and it'd be a blast I reckin.
Cheers,
R*2

http://www.marlinowners.com/gallery/albums/userpics/30-360%20AET%20copy.jpg

[Willbird]

Why would you want a smaller meplet ??



Bill

[45 2.1]

[size=3][font=Book Antiqua][color=DarkGreen]A GC boolit in a rechambered 32-20 barrel and it'd be a blast I reckin.
Cheers,
R*2[

T/C 32-20 barrels are supposed to have 0.308" grooves. If you want a small meplat and gas check, use the RCBS 30-115-GC bullet.

[Rrusse11]

T/C 32-20 barrels are supposed to have 0.308" grooves. If you want a small meplat and gas check, use the RCBS 30-115-GC bullet.

45,
Looks to be a RN, I'd like something with ~.150" meplat.

Willbird,
Personally I feel that with higher velocities, meplat size is less critical for terminal performance than the current trend to WFN type boolits.
No question that the smaller meplat gives better BC's, and longer noses.
Good things IMHO.
Cheers gents,
R*2
Ps. Mebbe something like this,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

http://www.marlinowners.com/gallery/albums/userpics/C312-110-RFboolit%20copy.jpg

[gregg]

Nose to crimp is 0.285" which feeds perfectly in my 32-20 rifles. This nose is a copy of my most accurate version of the 3118/311008 in a old Ideal mold. The newer versions have considerably smaller noses. Cast diameter would be about .314".

Just thoughts... Stay with the tryed and true Lyman (IDEAL)
For the .308 guys. I saw were Lee's .308 113gr RF soup can
can be had in 6cav now. Looks like it should make a good 32 cal
(.30) bullet. Been trying to make it work in my CZ52 but needs
more work.

[Rrusse11]

Greg,
I've been using the Lee C113 to good effect in a Marlin 1889 that I managed to get an 1893 barrel for. The original 32-20 bore was/is unshootable as is,,, and I managed to get what I would classify as a "fair" bore in same on Ebay. The newer barrel is shooting very well with 4.8gr of Blue Dot under a WSR primer and the unchecked/unsized Lee, ~.313" > .314". Minute of claybird shards at 50 yards dancing around on the bank at the range off my elbows. VERY satisfying after struggling to get any better than shotgun patterns at 50'. I got in on the group buy for the 6cav Lee offering, and have been pleasantly surprised how well it's doing without a check. I'll get a .314 size die and wind some up with some Lil Gun or 2400. No chrony data on the 4.8gr of Blue Dot, but I'm guessing 1100-1200fps. Neglibible recoil, and not a lot of noise, though I'm guessing by the crack that I'm over Mach 1.
I've also managed to crank up the Lee to 2300fps in the 30-30 with excellent accuracy,,,,, a great little boolit. Personally I'd like something just a bit more refined, but increasingly coming to the conclusion that I've got to start gettting Dan at mountain molds to custom cut for me. His online design tool is excellent.
Cheers,
R*2

[Willbird]

Well my goal in this is to get a good mold for 32/20 hand ejector, K32, and Single six 32 H&R magnum......but I would far prefer a 6 cavity to a 2 or 4.

with the cowboy action craze going on this mold would sell well and it would behoove Lee to just make it themselves....BUT then they would make it like the 230 grain 45 caliber roundnose 6 cavity I have that does not quite make a 452 bullet from WW....451ish.


Bill

[gregg]

Rrusse11 you stated "Personally I'd like something just a bit more refined"
In what way are you thinking refined?

[Rrusse11]

Rrusse11 you stated "Personally I'd like something just a bit more refined"
In what way are you thinking refined?

Gregg,
Well, the problem with any of our "design by committee" boolits, is that of necessity, they have to accomadate a wide range of users, and guns.
The Lee C113 is a good boolit, and works for me as I've said in a variety of velocities, and cartridges. What I'd like for the 32-20 is possibly something a bit lighter, checked, with a longer nose and a minimal meplat. Purpose built/designed specifically for MY Marlin, and my ideas, {;o). This is where Dan at mountainmolds comes into his own with the capability of doing a true 'one-of'. Haven't availed myself yet of his services, but I'm a gonna' get rountuit!
Hope that answers ur question.
Cheers,
R*2

[James Wisner]

Willbird.
I am like you, have a M16-4 Smith Wesson in a 4", plus a Ruger SSM in a 4 5/8". Have been using a Saeco 95 gr SWC, in both the pistols in H&R cases and S&W long cases, with good results.
Picked up a RCBS 32 SWC mould, but have not cast any yet, simply want something a little heavier for the H&R ammo. So have been looking at the Lyman 3118 an thinking that should do it, BUT want a 4 cav at the min.

I would be in for at least one mould in a 6 cav, if it is like the Lyman 3118.

Jim Wisner
Custom Metalsmith

[Rrusse11]

Willbird.
I am like you, have a M16-4 Smith Wesson in a 4", plus a Ruger SSM in a 4 5/8". Have been using a Saeco 95 gr SWC, in both the pistols in H&R cases and S&W long cases, with good results.
Picked up a RCBS 32 SWC mould, but have not cast any yet, simply want something a little heavier for the H&R ammo. So have been looking at the Lyman 3118 an thinking that should do it, BUT want a 4 cav at the min.

I would be in for at least one mould in a 6 cav, if it is like the Lyman 3118.

Jim Wisner
Custom Metalsmith

Gents,
Not being familiar with the 3118, I found it at castpics.net. Any votes for the 31133?
Cheers,
R*2

[Willbird]

Either 3118 or 31133 would work for me, they look like nice bullets.



Bill

[45 2.1]

The 31133 is the hollow point version of the 3118/311008. Having used that bullet for a long time, I find it suffers only in that it lacks a crimp groove. Otherwise its a very good bullet as long as the nose isn't undersize.

[Willbird]

Well the crimp groove issue could be surely resolved with a click of the ole mouse :-)

I am on the verge of buying one of these just to have bullets to shoot

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=254640

I would still be interested in a group buy for a bullet with more meplet and a larger dia tho.

Bill

[lar45]

How about the soup can with a plain base? and larger diameter?

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=480790

It would be real easy to ask for, and no cad work??

I just picked up 2 32 S&W top breaks and a 32 H&R mag, so I'll be needing something to feed these.

Somebody decide and tell me where to send the money.

[Willbird]

That would be a good bullet...............I'd be for that.

I bought a 93 grain roundnose 6 cavity, been playing with it a bit, it drops them .314-.315, for once a Lee went to the side of the dia tolerance that helps me hehe. It takes a while to get mold temp stabilised with that tiny amount of lead being poured into those large blocks.


Bill

[Willbird]

I would be up for (2) molds, and Will Honcho if nobody else is interested.....if we can get up to say 20 takers I will take the last (5) to make the 25, the extras will go on Egay, this should be a popular mold with many uses, and nothing quite like it is avail.

Bill

[45 2.1]

Just which bullet are we talking about, since there have been several mentioned.

[Rrusse11]

Just which bullet are we talking about, since there have been several mentioned.

45,
If we go a PB version, I really like ur drwg in post #8. We have the capacity here to come up with something new. What's that as drawn, about a .300" nose and .200" meplat in the 110-120gr range?
Cheers,
R*2

[Willbird]

I do agree that is a right purdy bullet in post #8


Bill

[45 2.1]

0.314" with wheelweights
Meplat = 0.200"
Nose to crimp = 0.285"
Close to the 311008 at 118 gr.

[Rrusse11]

Meplat = 0.200"
Nose to crimp = 0.285"
Close to the 311008 at 118 gr.

You can put me down for one of those! As cast diam. .314-.316"? That'd work for me.
Cheers all,
R*2

[Bodydoc447]

Dang! Here we go again. Count me in for one.

Doc

[Rrusse11]

Hmmmmmmmm, well I'll assume 45 and Will will take one @, so we've got 4 already,,,,,,,,,, {:o).
R*2

[Bret4207]

Well, you all know I have 32-itis, so lets see a final drawing and I'll probably go for 2. My thought woould be an exact replica of the 311316 GC or PB maybe scaled up to around 120-125 gr. This would be perfect for rifles. A .314 or.315 Soup Can would also work.

[Rrusse11]

Well, you all know I have 32-itis, so lets see a final drawing and I'll probably go for 2. My thought woould be an exact replica of the 311316 GC or PB maybe scaled up to around 120-125 gr. This would be perfect for rifles. A .314 or.315 Soup Can would also work.

Brett,
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I think the Lee C309-113-F IS the Lyman 311316GC. I know my 6cav drops 'em around .313.
Cheers,
R*2

[Willbird]

http://www.rcbs.com/default.asp?menu=1&s1=4&s2=9&s3=83&pg=2

32-90-CM
82303

That bullet is nice looking too

Bill

[45 2.1]

Cb 32

[Willbird]

I still like it :-)


Bill

[Rrusse11]

Nice boolit,,,,,,,lol, though ya know what I want on the tail end, {;o).
I don't mind the added expense of $.015/boolit, and it don't take long to push 'em thru one of the Lee dies.
Cheers gents, all good stuff BTW!
R*2

[James Wisner]

I am in for this copy of the lyman 3118.

Like Willbird I have an Smith in 32 H&R as well as an Ruger single six.
I think this would be the best all around, as you do not need a gas check on a bullet going this speed. Just have it cast .314 dia in wheel weights and water quench them.

45 2.1, great drawing.
What is the nose dia of the older 3118 that you have talked about that shot the best vs the newer ones that are smaller?.

Willbird when are you going to start to take orders???

Jim Wisner
Custom Metalsmith

[Bodydoc447]

My preference would be for a gas checked version, too. BUT I am in for a plain-based mold if that is the consensus.

Doc

[Willbird]

Well lets have a consensus.......should we do a poll and decide what kind of bullet or what ??



Bill

[45 2.1]

I am in for this copy of the lyman 3118.
45 2.1, great drawing.
What is the nose dia of the older 3118 that you have talked about that shot the best vs the newer ones that are smaller?.
Jim Wisner
Custom Metalsmith

Jim-
None of the versions I have are parallel nose jobs that are measureable. Most have a simple 1 radius nose that don't engrave at all. The one pictured is from an old Ideal mold that has shot very well for me thru several 32-20s and other rifles. It has a two radius nose that does engrave on most of my rifles. This bullet also shoots well out of 32-20 handguns.

[45 2.1]

Nice boolit,,,,,,,lol, though ya know what I want on the tail end, {;o).
I don't mind the added expense of $.015/boolit, and it don't take long to push 'em thru one of the Lee dies.
Cheers gents, all good stuff BTW!
R*2


R*2-
I know what you wanted, but I wanted a plain base. I Freechec plain bases when I want more velocity because I do mind the 1.5 cents, which always goes up and is too much. I spend that gas check money, that you spend and I save, on molds, powder and primers.

[Willbird]

I figuire that a gascheck almost doubles the price of a ctg.

Primers 15.00
gchecks 15.00
powder 3.00
total 33.00 per 1000 for 2 grains of powder


Primers 15.00
powder 3.00
total 18.00 per 1000 for 2 grains of powder

plus with a pile of lead, powder, bullet lube, and reloading tools and molds I can load any ctg. for any gun I have, if I had to inventory checks it would be 30 caliber, 357, 375(rifle), 429, and 452, keeping the pistols bareback bullets simplifies things.

Bill


Bill

[GregP42]

If you guys do this how does it normally work? I am all for the plain base that 45 2.1 drew up as it will work both in my 92 Winchester and my Dan-Wesson 32-20. I would love to find a good 118-125g bullet for this round that I can still chamber in the pistol, I know, keep dreaming...

Greg

[Willbird]

usually the way it works is a person referred to as the "Honcho" gets commitments for 25 molds, then opens orders, takes checks, and orders the molds, and then ships the molds to the group when they arrive.

typically they run $56.00 shipped to each person as long as we get 25

if we got to 100 I think they would be $41.00


Bill

[GregP42]

Bill,

Thanks for the information, I will keep a watch on this topic to see where you guys go with it. I would love to get one, just have to make sure I can still pay the bills here for me and the son.

Greg


usually the way it works is a person referred to as the "Honcho" gets commitments for 25 molds, then opens orders, takes checks, and orders the molds, and then ships the molds to the group when they arrive.

typically they run $56.00 shipped to each person as long as we get 25

if we got to 100 I think they would be $41.00


Bill

[castalott]

I would be interested in a plain base version...but would prefer a bevel based one...anyone else?

Thanks, Dale

[woody1]

Cb 32
I would go for a mould for this boolit. Regards, Woody

[Bret4207]

Brett,
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I think the Lee C309-113-F IS the Lyman 311316GC. I know my 6cav drops 'em around .313.
Cheers,
R*2



R2- They're close, but my particular copy of the 311316 is a bit different. Much flatter nose, lube grooves difererent, longer overall. The soup can's pointier and has a plain different look to it. My 311316 casts around .314, the Soup Can goes .312. No data in the 32WCF yet, but the converted 32 RF in 32S+W and S+W Long should work fine with themas the bores run closer to .310 than the .313-4 of my 32WCFs.

I'd kind of lean towards the PB for a generaly usefull boolit. The drawing looks like it would be fine.

[James Wisner]

Had some time yesterday so got out the pistols and gages. measured out the cylinder holes, groove and bores on three pistols.

Colt SAA (1908 vintage) 32-20, barrel .304 bore x .311 groove, cyl .311 dia

Ruger SSM 32 H&R, barrel .303 bore x .311 groove, cyl .311 dia

Smith Wesson 16-4 32 H&R, barrel .302 bore x .309 groove, cyl .314 dia.

This was interesting, it showed why the Smith normall shoots better that the Ruger. Had the SAA borrowed from the father in law so tore it down to get some specs off it.

Jim Wisner
Custom Metalsmith

[lar45]

My vote is for a Plain base. And I like the drawing that 45 2.1 put up. I haven't measured any of my guns yet. Life is way too busy at the moment.
I'm thinking that this would make a nice 30 cal plinker similar to the soup can but without the gascheck.
I wonder how close we could get to 100 molds?