Mihec 358156 clone with the penta-pins

[pps]

Anyone else interested in a clone of the venerable 358156 4 cavity cramer mold. I love the Lyman mold, but having it with the penta pins would be a fantastic small-medium game getter IMHO.

:bigsmyl2:

[Brick85]

So the original 358156 is 155 grains. I'm guessing the hollow point would bring it down into, what, the 140 range?

I'm looking for a mould I can use for .357/38 Special and also for 9mm. If this ends up being less than 150 grains or so (even if that means cast from wheelweights with HP or penta pins), I'd be interested.

I assume you mean "Mihec", not "miahc". Might want to fix that in case anyone runs a search and this thread doesn't come up. Glad I read through manually. . .

[sffar]

I'm interested in the 358156 HP, though a 2C would be better for me.

[GLL]

I would be interested in a 4-cavity brass GC & a PB as long as they dropped at minimum 0.360" !

Jerry

[tonyjones]

I'm interested!

Tony

[DanWalker]

Me too!!!

[pps]

So the original 358156 is 155 grains. I'm guessing the hollow point would bring it down into, what, the 140 range?

I'm looking for a mould I can use for .357/38 Special and also for 9mm. If this ends up being less than 150 grains or so (even if that means cast from wheelweights with HP or penta pins), I'd be interested.

I assume you mean "Mihec", not "miahc". Might want to fix that in case anyone runs a search and this thread doesn't come up. Glad I read through manually. . .

Thanks, change made. 45 year old eyes and a little droid phone are NOT a good mix for good spelling.

[Bodydoc447]

If it is a true clone, I'd be in for either a 2 or 4 cavity, which ever the group decides.

Doc

[Dirtdgger]

I'd be up for a 2 cavity hp.

[pps]

So far, that's 8 people interested. I'll have to find out how many interested buyers before it becomes worthwhile for Mihec to put it into an active group buy.

Update: We need at least 15 people to get a run on this mold.

[ChuckJaxFL]

I'd be in for a 2 cavity at 360.

I wouldn't be in for a 4.

[tonyjones]

I'm in for a 2 OR 4 cavity. I would prefer PB but GC is not a deal breaker for me.

Tony

[GLL]

pps:

Could you make a summary list of those interested in your post #1 so we can easily keep track of who "wants" what and where we stand?

Jerry

[45 2.1]

Something to look at:

[pps]

So far it looks like:
1. Myself (pps)
2 Brick 85
3. Saffar
4. GLL
5. Tonyjones
6. Dan Walker
7. Bodydoc447
8. dirtdigger
9. ChuckJaxflorida

I have one other person interested over on another forum, I will direct him here, to this thread. Once we get 15 confirmed interested, then we'll see about moving this thread over to the active buys and we'll hammeer out details on number of cavities, etc.

:-)

[gmsharps]

I would take a 4 cav with all pins blank,HP,Penta

gmsharps

[Gapmaster]

Count me in for a 2 or 4 cavity, whichever is decided. Thanks, Don

[clde123]

Include me in either a 2 or 4 cavity-
Thanks

[Jared]

I would be interested, especially if it included a set of pins that are close to the originals.

[Sheriff]

I'd be interested in a 4 cavity with hp pins.

[sffar]

Getting close! I wonder if Miha can run both two and four cavity molds. I probably wouldn't use this enough to justify the four cavity expense, though I'd be tempted.

[pps]

OK...so far that is 14 people, with one person needing it in 2 cavities (ie if it's offered only in 4 that would be a deal breaker) 2 people need it to drop no less than .360" so that should be reasonable. For those of us who would like to see a 4 cavity, would it be a deal breaker if only offered in a 2 cavity? For me, it's not a deal breaker...as I'd like to accommodate as many folks as possible....likewise, I care not if it's pb or gas checked...though I lean gas checked on this one.

Here is what we have so far


pps either 2 or 4 gc (not deal breaker)
Brick 85
sffar 2 cavity
gll 4cavity Both gc and pb
tonyjones pb
danwalker
bodydoc447 either 2 or 4
dirtdggr 2
chuckJaxFl only 2 (4 cavity only would be a deal breaker)
gmsharps 4
gapmaster either
clde123 either
jared
sheriff 4 cavity

[Bodydoc447]

I am in if it is a true clone, i.e. a gas check bullet. I can go either way about a 2 or 4 cavity mould but I would only want a GC bullet.

Just my dos centavos.

Doc

[sffar]

Gas checked clone here, too. 45 2.1's rendition looks perfect to me.
Sam

[Sheriff]

I'm in for either 2 or 4, gas checked , also.

[tonyjones]

Change mine to GC as that is consistent with the original. I too like 45 2.1's drawing. I'll go with either a 2 or 4 cavity.

Tony

[GLL]

pps:

Just to clarify... I would like two separate molds. If available one GC and one PB at 0.360".
Must have the GC version!

Jerry

[DanWalker]

I'll take a GC 2 or 4 cav at .360 please.
Will it come with pins to also make it a standard flatpoint?

[sffar]

I'll take a GC 2 or 4 cav at .360 please.
Will it come with pins to also make it a standard flatpoint?

Yes, with pins turned upside down the bullet's a solid flatpoint.

[6GUNSONLY]

Count me in, I'd be just as happy with a 2 cavity and prefer GC design, but whatever the group decides is good with me. Does need to throw them at .360.
Thanks,
Ken

[pps]

I'll contact Miha with the list we have and see if we can get this moved over to the active group buy section, and we'll go from there:drinks:

[sffar]

Any response from Miha yet? This should be a very nice mold!

[huntnman]

This sounds good to me.Plane base, 2 or 4 cavity.All the pins.
huntnman at swbell dot net.
need one more mp mold, 40 hp!

[frontstuffers]

Do you have a timeline on this yet? Also, do you have a price range for these? That may be the deciding factor for me. :( Being on a budget is so disappointing sometimes. However, I'd be interested in a two cavity version.

Thanks.

[pps]

I'm awaiting a reply to my PM. As soon as I hear back I'll post. I'm eager to get this rolling too. :)

[Brick85]

Either 2 or 4 cavity works for me, but my preference is 4, as long as the only real difference is cost. Miha has assured me that the 4 cavity moulds work just fine.

Is it possible to use bullets with the GC base without the GC, or would it tend to deform from the back? I haven't gotten to gas checking yet, but might as well have the option.

[DanWalker]

Please revise my initial order from one mold, to 3. A couple of my friends have been drooling over my other Mihec customs, and want one of their own.
Thanks.

[AnthonyB]

I'd take a two cavity and would think about a four, but I definitely want a smaller HP cavity than depicted in the drawing.
Tony

[mick27]

i'd like a 4 cav (or 2 cav, whatever is finally decided), GC, but want round pins (will take the pentas also, usually comes with both.), .360"..

thanks,
mick27
mick jones
08560

[sffar]

Bump for a 2 cavity!

[pps]

I'm going to bump this back to top. I'll check to see if we have enough to run this and post a final list to double check I have everything right. If we are good to go, I'll check on time frame.

Thanks,

[fivegunner]

I would be in for a 4 cavity gc, .360 round pins.:drinks::violin::Fire:

[bfuller14]

I'm interested in a HP with GC.

[Low Budget Shooter]

I appreciate your working on this. I would love to have a 4-cavity; must be GC. Actually, the dream set-up would be with half the cavities GC and half PB. Is that possible?

Thanks!

LBS

[Tazman1602]

I'm assuming this is an active GB now? If so and if it's at least two months out (or more, that's fine....) count me in.

Don't care if it's 2C or 4C as long as it's a Mihec brass mold, dang Triggerhappy got me going on these things and I can't stop buying them.................

Got both recent .45 molds and would LOVE to have one of these for my 357's!

Art

[JeffHolt]

Please put me in for a 4cavity HP plain based and GC'ed
jeff AT appalachianammo DOT com

[midnight]

I would be in for a 2 or 4 cavity Cramer gas check. 0.360 dia is ok. Must be brass. If we settle on a mold that fits the above requirements, I'm in.

Bob

[Suo Gan]

This is in the actives...is she an active buy or is this just discussion?

EDIT, went for the NOE version of this one running right now.

[pps]

It's active. Time for a head count and clarify the details

[GLL]

If this is to be considered active is Mihec going to be producing it? How many cavities? HP ? Pins ? Cost? Brass? ETC ! All of this needs to be spelled out in an active Group Buy !

Jerry

[Tazman1602]

Ditto. I'm in but I need details.....,.

Art


If this is to be considered active is Mihec going to be producing it? How many cavities? HP ? Pins ? Cost? Brass? ETC ! All of this needs to be spelled out in an active Group Buy !

Jerry

[Brick85]

Before we decide on GC or not, is it possible to use the GC boolit without the GC? Would this cause the base to expand when fired because of the little hole?

[Suo Gan]

Before we decide on GC or not, is it possible to use the GC boolit without the GC? Would this cause the base to expand when fired because of the little hole?

The short answer is yes. There is a thread in classics and stickies that deals with this idea. If you are primarily shooting plain base boolits, 358429 (or similar) might be a better choice.

In Ray Thompsons words he says that, "I designed this boolit primarily for the elimination of leading in magnum loads, with excellent accuracy both at long range and target. The 358156 is designed with two crimping grooves, the first groove for use in crimping the .357 Magnum and the second groove for crimping the .38 Special case, allowing more powder space using 2400 powder for magnum loads in heavy-duty guns."

[midnight]

I want to get in on the head count on this mold but we don't know what mold we are buying. We need specifics: ie dia, weight, Cramer?, material, type of pins, a drawing with dimensions, options, prices. All this needs to be edited into post #1 and a list started using our camoflaged e-mail addresses. When this happens I will sign on, until then we can only treat this thread as a discussion.

Bob

[Tazman1602]

Please remove me from this buy until such time as it can be honcho'd properly. We are not getting details as we should IMHO.

No offense intended.

Art

[cbrick]

This seems very much an 'interested in" thread in the "active group buy" section.

Not knowing what the specifics are or if Miha has agreed to place this on his schedule I'll sit back and wait.

Rick

[wiljen]

Looks to me like this one got moved to active too soon. I presume at this point no money has changed hands as I see no pricing listed anywhere in this thread. In as such, I am going to move it back to discussions which it more closely fits. Please open a new thread in active that includes, dimensions, dates, prices, and contact information for the honcho and direct people from this thread to that one at such time as all those details are worked out.

Wiljen

[midnight]

I have the Lyman 358156 and it is my go to bullet in the 357. I always wanted a hollow point version. I still hope this discussion will result in the mold I want:
1) brass
2) cramer
3) 0.360 dia.
4) gas check
5) 4 cavity
6) 2 crimp grooves
7) weight around 160gr WW

Does that sound good to the rest of you guys? This thread has languished for a week and it needed a bump to the top.

Bob

[sffar]

I'm still interested, but would prefer a 2 cavity.

[midnight]

Any number of cavities is fine with me just so it's not a 1 cavity. I would prefer a 3 or 4 cavity but will go with whatever the group decides. This will be an opportunity to get a 358156 HP of much higher quality than Lyman has been producing lately.

Bob

[sffar]

I just wrote to Miha to get his thoughts on this mould, and to see what's necessary to get it rolling.
If pps is unavailable to honcho this, I'd consider doing so.
Sam

[sffar]

We've got the go-ahead from Miha!
I'm waiting for confirmation on pricing and questions on options, but using the .360 gas checked round pin hollow point as a basis (45 2.1's diagram), the question is whether it'll be two cavities, or four.
I believe it takes a full fifteen requests to run either option. Most have posted they'd take either. A few firmly requested a two and a few firmly requested a four. We could vote, though that'd take time to get scheduled. I propose we run two lists on the buy thread. If you'll take either, say so on your post with a first and second choice. If you're firm on a two cavity, or four cavity, put that in your post. If there are enough buyers to run both everyone's happy. At some point, probably when Miha orders materials, we'll have to assess the number of orders made, and whether it's feasible to run both. Provided people are clear about their preferred choice it shouldn't get confusing. This keeps options open and the buy inclusive. Sound good?
Sam

[Dirtdgger]

Sffar, I not stuck on 2 cavity . The 4 cavity is not a deal breaker with me. I would like to see it in a 360 with gc.

[midnight]

Thanks sffar for grabbing the bull by the horns. As soon as we get specs, prices, and hopefully a drawing we can move this back to the active section and get a list going. Lets get the list going using camoflaged e-mails from the start because that is how Miha does his billing. Then we don't have to go back and do the list again. It's very convenient for Miha to use our final list to bill. Miha also usually will post here when he wants us to close the list. He does this when he is ready to start milling. Thanks again sffar. I am assuming you are the HONCHO on this one.

Bob

[sffar]

Bob,
Yes, I reckon I'll be "honchoing." I agree with all your post, and am waiting to confirm a drawing–ideally with dimensions noted–but we'll take what we can get. Diameter will certainly be specified. This is a classic design, and it'd be a shame to let it get away.
Sam

[sffar]

To update,
We'll be using the drawing 45 2.1 posted on the first page of this thread. I've written Miha with a bunch of questions so's to get the details and options right on the Active post; i.e., price, pins and size. I'm hoping the mould can be run in both a .358 and a .360, as I'm told this boolit doesn't size down very well. Miha has done this several times with other moulds, and I'm hoping it's possible in this case.
Sam

[Brick85]

Hmm, doesn't size down well. . . I was hoping to use it in both .38/357 and 9mm. Guessing GC is what I'd want, having talked to some folks.

I guess if I could get it in .358 with a GC it'd work for me. Ideally 4 cav but 2 cav also works.

sffar, do we give our addresses to you to camoflauge?

[45 2.1]

Hmm, doesn't size down well. . . I was hoping to use it in both .38/357 and 9mm. The Lyman version sizes the crimp grooves almost out below 0.356". Colts run 0.354" in the grooves sometimes. I size all 38/357 and 9mm at 0.3574".... gives me excellent accuracy. I have a 140 gr. HP '640 design thats a bomb, ask BABore or 357 Maximum what it does at long range (378 yards). Guessing GC is what I'd want, having talked to some folks.

I guess if I could get it in .358 with a GC it'd work for me. Ideally 4 cav but 2 cav also works. A four cavity at 0.358" is my choice.

[sffar]

Thanks, 45.2.1 (my source for the sizing information). That's why I asked Miha about two options, as it seems it's not a big deal to do.
I've got an old .357 Ruger Blackhawk that's got .360 throats. For that gun I'd opt for the larger .360 bullet. I plan on the .358 option for this mold, though, if it's possible, as I have more Smith's and it'd fit them better.
Sam

[FN in MT]

Count me IN.

Four cavity prefered but I'll go with a 2 cavity as well.

But...IN none the less.


FN in MT

[Tazman1602]

Count me IN again! 4 cav preffered but will go with the group. 45 2.1 are you saying this bullet does NOT size well? I ask because. 360 works well for me to size to. 359 in my Lyman 4 Banger.I mean my Lyman throws big but sizes fine.

I'm IN though....!

Art

[sffar]

Just waiting for Miha to confirm pricing and other details before starting Buy thread. Stay tuned . .
Sam

[azrednek]

I'm a possible, awaiting final design, size, # of cavities and price before I commit.

[Brick85]

Hmm, doesn't size down well. . . I was hoping to use it in both .38/357 and 9mm. The Lyman version sizes the crimp grooves almost out below 0.356". Colts run 0.354" in the grooves sometimes. I size all 38/357 and 9mm at 0.3574".... gives me excellent accuracy. I have a 140 gr. HP '640 design thats a bomb, ask BABore or 357 Maximum what it does at long range (378 yards). Guessing GC is what I'd want, having talked to some folks.

I guess if I could get it in .358 with a GC it'd work for me. Ideally 4 cav but 2 cav also works. A four cavity at 0.358" is my choice.

So, are you saying that .358 is too big for 9mm, and since this won't size down well, it's unsuitable for use in 9mm Luger?

[sffar]

Brick85,
This is ordinarily a 38/357 revolver bullet, with it's crimp grooves and swc design. Is your 9mm an automatic, or a revolver? I haven't loaded much 9mm, but I suspect, aside from the sizing, if you were to use this design it'd suit a revolver with moon clips more than an autoloader. Maybe.
Sam

[Brick85]

Hmm, the swc aspect is something I didn't consider for autoloader use. Still might be interested in it for revolver use, though. Probably still .358 in 4-cav.

[45 2.1]

Count me IN again! 4 cav preffered but will go with the group. 45 2.1 are you saying this bullet does NOT size well? I ask because. 360 works well for me to size to. 359 in my Lyman 4 Banger.I mean my Lyman throws big but sizes fine.

I'm IN though....!

Art

A reduction od 0.001" works fine....... five times that much doesn't because the crimp grooves pretty well close up.


So, are you saying that .358 is too big for 9mm, and since this won't size down well, it's unsuitable for use in 9mm Luger?

No.... the main problem here is the shallower crimp grooves, they sort of dissappear when sized heavily. As far as 0.358" in a 9mm... lots of the war era ones need that to shoot well.

[sffar]

We've gone Active . .
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?p=1458272#post1458272

[S.B.]

Is the proposed bullet a gas check or plain base bullet? What's that dotted line near the bottom of your drawing that looks like a shorter base, please explain this?
Steve

[Jupiter7]

Is the proposed bullet a gas check or plain base bullet? What's that dotted line near the bottom of your drawing that looks like a shorter base, please explain this?
Steve
A little late on this one. It just closed(2yrs) with over 600 molds.