TLC359190RF in a 357 revo??

[Jeffery8mm]

Can and has this Ranch Dog mold been used in a 357 revolver?? Looking for a short range deer load using heavy bullets.
Thanks
Jeff

[maglvr]

Sure it can be used, and in a revolver I wouldn't even bother with a gas check. Then again, I never use a gas check, even in my 357 and 44mag rifles, and never have any leading. I size all bullets for my 357's to .358 and all 44's (special and mag.) to .430
I just don't understand why so many people think a check is a "must have". All my loads are max loads, even what I practice with. I see no sense whatsoever, in "practicing" with a load i'm not going to use in the woods. A light coat of LLA/JPW works just fine for me!

[white eagle]

I just don't understand why so many people think a check is a "must have". All my loads are max loads, even what I practice with. I see no sense whatsoever, in "practicing" with a load i'm not going to use in the woods. A light coat of LLA/JPW works just fine for me!
some guys say their wrists hurt and it costs a lot of money ????:lovebooli

[MtJerry]

I shoot it out of my Ruger Security Six (4") for BLACK bear protection (I work with my county's Search and Rescue Unit) loaded over 13.5 gr of H110 and a small pistol magnum primer.

I also trim my cases to 1.220 to allow for crimping in the upper crimp groove. I suspect it would work in .38 Special case as well, but this is a load I DO NOT want in a .38 Special on accident.

BTW - my Marlin 1894 LOVES this load as well.

[Jeffery8mm]

Thanks for the info so far!!!!
I plan on getting this bullet for use in a 35 rem and want it to do double duty in the 357 mag.
Jeff

[rhbrink]

I shoot it in my 686 don't do anything to the brass just seat deep enough to allow clearence at the front of the cylinder then give it a heavy crimp. Shoots great by the way!
Richard

[TCFAN]

Well after seeing a Mountain Lion in the yard a couple of weeks ago I have started working up a load for my Ruger Blackhawk with that boolit. Haven't come up with any good load yet. I will try that H110 load the next time I load some up......Terry

[rhbrink]

Have you tried a good stiff load of 2400? Works in mine, would make a nice load for the "kitty".

[subsonic]

It will fit where a 358429 fits. But i think 190 is a little much for the .357. You cant get it moving very fast and rifling twist is marginal in some guns. 160 to no more than 180 is about optimum. I want to try the new 175 gr from RD when it comes out!

I also would not shoot it over 13.5 gr of h110 in a security six with shortened cases, but YMMV.

[MtJerry]

It will fit where a 358429 fits. But i think 190 is a little much for the .357. You cant get it moving very fast and rifling twist is marginal in some guns. 160 to no more than 180 is about optimum. I want to try the new 175 gr from RD when it comes out!

I also would not shoot it over 13.5 gr of h110 in a security six with shortened cases, but YMMV.

And what are you basing that knowledge on???

I get good accuracy, snappy but not aggressive recoil, easy extraction, and no signs or high pressure.

[white eagle]

I too use a 200 gr custom mold have no problems with it
funny how it werks aint it

[subsonic]

Tell me what velocity you're getting. Maybe I'm wrong.
How do they shoot for you @ 50yds? Stable?

I have a few cast up, but wasnt impressed with similar boolits load data and velocity. Ranch Dog's data shows 14+ grs at predicted pressure that would be over SAAMI for a revolver.
I suspect, but do not have pressure eqt to verify, that your load with the shortened cases would be at similar pressures - but i guess i have shot some pretty hot loads myself.

[MtJerry]

I have no idea what velocity I am getting ... i do not own a chronograph. Velocity is not an issue for me.

However, MY GUN is telling me that the pressures are fine. The Security Six is one of the strongest actions in the .357 revolvers.

I have not idea what it does at 50 yards. It's a 4" revolver that I use for BLACK BEAR protection. I don't plan on shooting them at 50 yards.

Now .. enough thread drift.

[gunrunner8]

I shoot it out of my Ruger Security Six (4") for BLACK bear protection (I work with my county's Search and Rescue Unit) loaded over 13.5 gr of H110 and a small pistol magnum primer.

I also trim my cases to 1.220 to allow for crimping in the upper crimp groove. I suspect it would work in .38 Special case as well, but this is a load I DO NOT want in a .38 Special on accident.

BTW - my Marlin 1894 LOVES this load as well.

My SS Ruger Sec Six (4") likes 13gr 4227 with RD 190gr 358 GC bullet fired with reg primers and I also trim the brass to 1,265" and heavy crimp it in the top groove. Accuracy at 25m for 6 shots with open sites is 3-4" and thats all I am asking of it.

[subsonic]

I wonder if we could convince someone with quickload to run this boolit through at SAAMI revolver pressures? Maybe see what it predicts with the shorter cases? If it looks and works good, I'm gonna play too.

[Jeffery8mm]

Would this bullet make for a good 30 to 40yd deer load. I mean as far as generating enough energy/speed from a 357? I have a 44 mag single action, but really dont like shooting it much. I just get tired of hearing that the lil ole 357 wont kill a deer. I am woods hunting from an elevated stand and shots will be limitted to a MAX of 40 yards.
Jeff

[EMC45]

I just loaded some of these for my Contender (10in Oct.). I think I loaded about 15gr. H110 with a SMPP.

[subsonic]

You can seat them out further in your T/C....

[subsonic]

Would this bullet make for a good 30 to 40yd deer load. I mean as far as generating enough energy/speed from a 357? I have a 44 mag single action, but really dont like shooting it much. I just get tired of hearing that the lil ole 357 wont kill a deer. I am woods hunting from an elevated stand and shots will be limitted to a MAX of 40 yards.
Jeff

The .357 will kill them. I cant tell you if thats a good boolit for the job. If i were you, i would test it and see. Shoot out to 50 or even better 100 yards for stability. Also try it in a wet pack or bullet test tube or something. My concern would be that it would not penetrate straight and may tumble in tissue instead of center punching the vitals.

If you can safely get 1150 fps i *think* that would be plenty.

These only fit in long cylinder guns if you use full length .357 brass.

[MtJerry]

Here is the same boolit ... same load (13.5 gr H110) fired out of my 4" security six in we newsprint at 10 yards.

This one was cast from 40/1 lead/tin.

It does not tumble.

This is a heavy boolit that penetrates well.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f17/MtJerry/DSCF0696.jpg

[subsonic]

Nice. It obviously does work in this application.

[Jeffery8mm]

Thanks for that great pic Mt Jerry!!!!!!
Jeff

[rhbrink]

I was shooting mine last spring at 25 yards and can get 2 to 2.5 inch groups at 25 yards. Haven't shot any at 50 and don't care I intend to use it as a close range pig killer anyway. Any way it had been raining a lot at the time and the berm was very soft and wet, muddy. A lot of times after you shoot a while at the same area you can go down range and pick up some of your boolits a few will be laying on top of the ground or buried slightly in the dirt. I think that this is because as some boolits impact with more coming along behind they tend to blow the first ones up out of the dirt. To make a long story short I never did find any of the 200 grainers, I even tried digging some out with the only tool that I had which was my pocket knife. I think that if I really want some to look at some I need to take a shovel but think the the head range office might take a dim view of that so I good to go with that and still looking for the piggy.

[dk17hmr]

The .357 will kill them. I cant tell you if thats a good boolit for the job. If i were you, i would test it and see. Shoot out to 50 or even better 100 yards for stability. Also try it in a wet pack or bullet test tube or something. My concern would be that it would not penetrate straight and may tumble in tissue instead of center punching the vitals.

If you can safely get 1150 fps i *think* that would be plenty.

These only fit in long cylinder guns if you use full length .357 brass.

I average 1146 fps for six shots out of my 4" 357 magnum with trimmed brass, cci small rifle primers, and AA9 powder. I am going to step up my powder charge a little more and carry this when packing meat out the fall...I feel 1200 is doable without much work..... hits where I point it out to 100 yards never tried serious accuracy with in just banging steel plates with it.

[Groo]

Groo here
I have an NEC mold for a 357 200gr gc bullet designed by SSK.
this one needs a longer cylinder like a blackhawk or the longer S&W's, but shoots well and
drills like a drillpress..
The thing is the limited size of the flat nose...and the impact that causes..
Hardcast in a 357 has little problems in the hole making department [ smaller, fast and hard]
You might look into Matt's bullets 357 155 gr wadcutter that is hard cast.
The base is like a SWC but the nose is a bore riding wadcutter that should hit HARD..