240gr Boolit for the 35 Rem

[264 Win Mag]

Gentlemen,

I am trying to work up a load for this boolit using H335 and so far have not not been able to find something that groups consistently. I have read where H335 should produce good results and it does for me with 200gr boolits. I have plenty on hand for some of my other cartridges so that is the reason I am using it. I am thinking of switching to H4895, which I also have on hand, but from my research H335 should give more velocity. My last batch of test loads, 5 shots at 31grs H335, were in a rising vertical line approximately 3 1/2" long. The rifle was allowed to cool after the first three shots but continued its climb after the cool down. I can find no data on the internet or in the books for bullet weights in the 35 Rem greater than 220grs for H335 or H4895.
Anybody use a heavy boolit in the 35 Rem or have any ideas of a good load using these two powders?

Thomas

[264 Win Mag]

Standing by!

:coffeecom

[2ndAmendmentNut]

I assume the rifle does not string shots with 200gr or lighter boolits, right?
I have a 30-06 that shoots lighter boolits great but would not shoot some of the heavier weights. Eventually I determined that my gas checks would tear off on occasion seeing as I would recover some boolits with gas checks and others without. Not an expert but I was inclined to think that the heavier weight boolits with the gas checked base seated well below the neck of the case was to blame. Long story short I simply now shoot light boolits out of that particular rifle.

[Skipper]

You may have twist problems at low velocity with the 240.

[264 Win Mag]

Yes, I have had very good accuracy with 200gr loads both cast and jacketed.
I am also wondering as Skipper mentions if I need to push the 240gr faster to get the accuracy to improve but have not been able to determine if that was the case due to the lack of load data for loads greater than 220gr.

Thomas

[bearcove]

There is some data here.

http://www.lasc.us/Fryxell35RemingtonLevergun.htm

[264 Win Mag]

There is some data here.

http://www.lasc.us/Fryxell35RemingtonLevergun.htm

Absolutely, my friend Google found that one for me, but alas Mr. Fryxell was using IMR3031 and AA2520.
I am beginning to lose hope on this boolit as I am having to seat it so far into the case that the GC is well below the neck and I don't see how that will help things at all. I am getting ready to do a last loading using a COL of 2.350 with both H335 and H4895 and if either of these loads don't show some kind of promise I will regroup and try another boolit.

Thomas

[bearcove]

Why are you loading so short. coal is 2.5xx

[264 Win Mag]

Why are you loading so short. coal is 2.5xx

They are jamming in the rifling and I can not close the lever at all. When I pull them back out you can see the rifling marks in the bullet and since I have not used a heavy enough crimp it actually pulls the bullet out of the case.
I would like to compare the Saeco #352 side by side with the bullet I have to see if the one I have has a fatter nose further towards the flat point.

Thomas

[bearcove]

What bullet do you have?

[264 Win Mag]

Mt. Baldy 240gr WLNGC.
Would you happen to know what the COL is for the Saeco #352 is?

Thomas

[bearcove]

Glen says in his acticle that it works fine. Don't remember what length he loaded it, 2.5xx I think

[264 Win Mag]

Glen says in his acticle that it works fine. Don't remember what length he loaded it, 2.5xx I think

I think the W in WLNGC may be what is doing me in. Based on what I see the nose is too wide for the throat of the 35 Rem without seating it deeper than what the COL normally allows.

Thomas

[bearcove]

Yeah I think your right, Glen said he loaded his LBT style boolits deep. Think they were 180 and 200 gr. With a 240 you need it seated all the way out. I'd like to have that saeco mold and try it but I'm cutting back right now.

[crazy mark]

I have a Saeco 245 gr that may be the same boolit. I'll have to check and see if I have any cast up. I have used them in my 336's in 35 Rem. Not sure which powder I was using at this moment.

[264 Win Mag]

I have a Saeco 245 gr that may be the same boolit. I'll have to check and see if I have any cast up. I have used them in my 336's in 35 Rem. Not sure which powder I was using at this moment.

Could you please tell me what your COL was when using that bullet? I am assuming it has to be much shorter than the maximum 2.525 that is listed for the 35 Rem.

Thomas

[hoss-noogy]

i checked one of my loads with the saeco 245 grain and it is 2.503

[bearcove]

That sounds better, why load short with a longer bullet.

[264 Win Mag]

i checked one of my loads with the saeco 245 grain and it is 2.503

My 240gr boolit is .955 in length and tapers to .275 at the tip. The width of the nose is .350 at least half way from the from the last lube grove to the tip.
I think I will try and find what the maximum COL that will fit in the chamber is and then test my loads again.
How did your Saeco #352 do accuracy wise? As a last resort before reverting back to 200gr boolits I might try some of the Saeco's.

Thomas

[hoss-noogy]

i have only shot at 25 yards but the holes were touching

[crazy mark]

Could you please tell me what your COL was when using that bullet? I am assuming it has to be much shorter than the maximum 2.525 that is listed for the 35 Rem.

Thomas

Mine are at 2.520 which puts the gas check a little below the shoulder with no problems.
PM me you snail mail and I'll send you some to try. I have a 336 SC and a 336-A (rifle) I shoot them in. Mark

[crazy mark]

Mine are 1.270 long and taper to about .150 at the nose. from the top of the top band to the nose is.510 and is .354 dia above the top band.

[264 Win Mag]

Mine are at 2.520 which puts the gas check a little below the shoulder with no problems.
PM me you snail mail and I'll send you some to try. I have a 336 SC and a 336-A (rifle) I shoot them in. Mark

Thanks Mark, PM sent. I will be very interested in comparing these two boolits side by side. But from what you have said so far it sounds like they are what I am looking for. Do you cast these yourself?

Thomas

[264 Win Mag]

https://picasaweb.google.com/113448672879345077626/20110925?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCOC6sKHy2sbJSg&feat=directlink

Thanks to the Generosity of Crazy Mark I have been able to finally test the Saeco 245gr boolits and this is what my results were for the first six loads. I used 31gr of H335 and loaded them to a O.A.L. of 2.525. Also they were gas checked and lubed with Speed Green.

If the picture is visible I would like to hear opinions as to the reasons for my results. Does the load need further work and in what way or are we dealing with a cross-eyed trigger operator. Questions and comments honestly sought.

Thomas

[264 Win Mag]

Surprised no one has commented yet. Am I that far off in what I am trying to accomplish?

:popcorn:

Thomas

[Rico1950]

What distance were you shooting? Try resting the forearm closer to the action. What size were the boolits?

[264 Win Mag]

What distance were you shooting? Try resting the forearm closer to the action. What size were the boolits?

Distance was 90 yards and the boolits were .359.
I will have to try bringing the rest closer to the action next time. I usually set the rest halfway down the forearm but have never had a rifle group like that before.

Thomas

[Old Goat Keeper]

Target shows signs of changes in how the rifle is being held/rested 264. Put it in a Caldwell Lead Sled or some such rifle rest and see how it groups with minimal input from you in holding it. Lever guns and Marlins in particular like to be held EXACTLY the same way for best accuracy.

T-o-m who found this out the hard way before he got his lead sled

[264 Win Mag]

Target shows signs of changes in how the rifle is being held/rested 264. Put it in a Caldwell Lead Sled or some such rifle rest and see how it groups with minimal input from you in holding it. Lever guns and Marlins in particular like to be held EXACTLY the same way for best accuracy.

T-o-m who found this out the hard way before he got his lead sled

Sounds like a plan. I have always had pretty good luck with my rifles but this is the first time I have run into a really poor group and could not figure out my next move. I was worried as this was my favorite tree stand rifle for the past two years. Thank you gentlemen for your suggestions.

Thomas

[Marlin Junky]

SAECO 352 was great in my Pre-55 336; however, I was using 2520-like powders. You're definitely gonna have a boolit diameter issue if you've got an old true Ballard rifled 336 though.

MJ

[264 Win Mag]

SAECO 352 was great in my Pre-55 336; however, I was using 2520-like powders. You're definitely gonna have a boolit diameter issue if you've got an old true Ballard rifled 336 though.

MJ

Mine is a early 2000's Microgroove 336C. Have not had any problems shooting any of the 200gr, jacketed and cast. Only when I went to the heavier load did I encounter issues.

Thomas