M91or M44 Nagant

[d.thomson]

I have a chance to buy a M91 or aM44 nagant, I have read a few threds on the M44 and M38 but havent seen any on the M91 that I remember. they are all selling for $40 . Which would you by other than all. Thanks for the reply Dave T.:Fire:

[jballs918]

buy both of them for that price

[Charley]

M91s are easier to shoot, M38s and M44s are easier to carry. Are you sure it is an M91 and not an M91/30? If it IS a true M91 buy, I would buy it. They are getting a bit less common.

[d.thomson]

The add in the paper said only M91. What is the dif between the two.:confused:

[Shepherd2]

In a nut shell the M91/30 is a redesign of the M91. Round receiver instead of hex, different rear sight, slightly shorter barrel etc.

You can buy a 91/30 for about $70 and a M44 for about $80 so buy both of the rifles for $80. Give us the details on the "M91" and we'll tell you if it is a M91 or and M91/30. A 91/30 for $40 is a great deal, a 91 for $40 is a steal.

[Youngster]

At $40 each, I'd buy both - they go for twice that most anywhere.

Surplus ammo is cheap, or, of course, you can roll your own. :mrgreen: I'm still working on the first 880 rounds I bought about a year ago - and I've got three Mosins.

The M44 is fairly heavy, but shorter and handier. The M91 (or M91/30) is actually quite a bit lighter, but the rear sight notch on mine is shallow and makes picking up the front sight a pain. I prefer my M44s and my M38 - my 91/30 isn't any more accurate than my carbines.

If it's an original M91, the front sight will be a traditional blade type; if it's a 91/30, the front sight will be a hooded post (as with the M44 and M38). That's the easiest way to tell.

You can find out much, much more at 7.62x54R.net - try here (http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinM91R.htm) for more ways to identify an original M91, and here (http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinMarks01.htm) for identification of the various and sundry markings and stampings on your new rifle(s).

If you can, buy both - worst-case scenario, you can sell one or both at a profit (especially if it is an M91, or if they're Finns, etc); if you choose to keep them you will find that they are accurate, dead-bang reliable, fun-shootin' rifles that are cheap to feed and dripping with history.

www.gunboards.com is also a great place to go if you're interested in researching Mosins.

[Ricochet]

M91s are hard to find nowadays. I've got one beat up old mixmaster with a New England Westinghouse receiver and barrel that came out of Bulgaria. I'd grab any reasonably priced M91 I came across. More likely the advertised rifle is an M91/30, the USSR's standard WWII infantry rifle. Arsenal refurbished ones are all over the place for cheap lately. I do like 'em. Carbines of any sort don't really float my boat. I like 'em long. M44s are also all over the place for cheap and will be for a good while. At $40 each it'd be worth grabbing both if they're half decent.

[mozark]

Jump on the 91.

The '91 is an exquisite late 19th century long rifle. OK, some may find Mosin and exquisite tough to swallow in the same sentence, but the argument can be made, and they hold an important place along side the other transitional rifles of that short period. Schmidt-Rubin, GeW-88, Mauser (91, 93, 95,98), Lebel, etc.


The '44 is just another short infantry rifle/carbine. Rapidly mass produced from necessity. They have their merits, but can hardly be called exquisite.

IMHO

MM

[JeffinNZ]

If you are into shotguns and want to go deaf AND blind aswell as develope a chronic flinch................buy the M44.

:-D [smilie=1:

[Buckshot]

.................I have 3 M91/30's and a M44. I find the longer rifles are easier to hit with due to the longer sight radius. However ALL the Russian Mosin Nagant triggers suck big time. Kinda like squeezing a ripe apricot. One I have does have a trigger that is a bit more predictable. I think it's a gouge on the sear face that catches. A bit more pressure on the trigger and it lets go.

................Buckshot

[d.thomson]

the m91 that is advetized is being sold as a carbide does that help in identifing it or is it cut down. did they make a 91 in a car: bide. Thanks again for the great feed back, when it all comes down I will probabley buy both. Regards Dave T.:Fire: :drinks:

[mozark]

"did they make a 91 in a car" no, dragoons were shorter, but not what you'd call carbine length. However many 91's were arsenal converted to carbines. I.E. 91/38, but then no longer a true 91.
Go here:

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinIDII.htm#Russian

MM

[Willbird]

I love my M44's :-)...remember to treat ALL 7.62x54r as corrosive unless it says WINCHESTOR or REMINGTON on the box, MOST x54r is mildly corrosive...some is EXTREMELY corrosive.

IMHO the caliber is a good one because there is lots more ammo with pretty painted bullet tips in all kinds of colors, and combinations of colors out there. I lucked onto about 800 rounds of API and APIT..some can be fired as is, some the cases are so badly rusted that all you can salvage is the projectile with a collet puller..I got it for $.08 a round tho....and it will punch 5/8" mild steel at 100 yards amd make a loud CRACK and a flash and puff of smoke when it does :-)

I HATE the laquer cased czech ammo, the copper washed steel case ammo works much smoother and doesnt stick in the chamber.

Bill

[Charley]

the m91 that is advetized is being sold as a carbide does that help in identifing it or is it cut down. did they make a 91 in a car: bide. Thanks again for the great feed back, when it all comes down I will probabley buy both. Regards Dave T.:Fire: :drinks:


Could be a M91/59, or a Bubba Special chop job. Hard to go wrong for $40 each, though.

[Ricochet]

There were earlier Mosin carbines. Don't have my reference book handy, but I believe the M1907 carbine is one that's extremely rare and valuable.

[brimic]

The Fiins made a carbine- m28 maybe?

My own personal rule about buying russian mosins is prewar 91/30s or postwar m44s.