40 cal rifle?

[Harter66]

Im working on a bbl that's 400/408 and I've a BRNO 48-22 . I've spent many hours roaming the www w/o much luck finding 40cal rifles in anything" modern,read shelf dies and chamber tools. The asking price for the 411 Hawk is $600 ,not digging that. 400 Whelen ok but it is a Mauser an 06' is tight seems those 40s will be long so maybe not ................................ Could this be a job for a 284 Win case? Im thinking if Whelens worked best w/a 458 shoulder then a case that can go 480-490 should be even better . To me, outside of tooling, basic 284 brass will be a problem. The BP 40 cal moulds and 41 pistol moulds will take care of the boolits,as i'm thinking here 40cal pistol boolits would PP nicely.

About neck length, long like the 30-30 and 06' or more like the x57s? This will be a cast/PP only as long as I have it.

[shooter93]

We did a 416 on 284 basic brass which worked out very well. Fits a standard military 98 action length so a 408 should work fine. The basic brass was available, I can't exactly remember where, Grafs of Huntingtons I think. Worst comes to worst you'd need a reamer for your smith. I can check with Teddy (the builder) to see if he has any brass left but I think it all went with the rifle.

[Dark Helmet]

shooter93, was there any magazine rail work in getting the 284 cases to feed?
If so would it be almost as easy to open the bolt face up too for a 411 KDF, 411 Express or a 416 Taylor.

[shooter93]

If I remember right it was minimum opening of the rails. A standard military mauser is just a bit short of true 06 action length. Teddy's idea was a 416 caliber rifle conversion with minimal costs involved and the 284 is standard bolt face. I don't know about the 411 kdf but the taylor is a great round for sure but uses 416 bullets and you were concerned with using a 408. I liked the 284 case because I never cared for converting military mauser to magnum length. I may even still have the load data from the loads I worked up for him. I do know we started with a 26 inch pipe and cut off an inch at a time then till we were at 22 inches and never lost a fps.

[Harter66]

That sounds almost too easy, you know what they say about that........................

Load data that will certainly be an asset . I really don't have a defined plan at this point just trying to apply logic and explore the options.

[Good Cheer]

Wanted a cast boolit 40 to play with so I had a percussion rifle rebarreled to .40 with a fast twist.

[Harter66]

This bbl is 1-16. That thought past fleetingly too has to be 45+ most places to hunt big game. Id like to keep that as an option.

[Skipper]

The basic brass was available, I can't exactly remember where, Grafs of Huntingtons I think.

The 284 basic is available from Buffalo Arms:

http://www.buffaloarms.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=156963&CAT=3834

[shooter93]

It is/was easy Harter which was the whole idea behind it. Howell did a whole line of cartridges on the 284 basic but never had one actually made in 416 nor had he heard of any at the time Teddy started. I think he made 3 or 4 rifles for different people who were going big game hunting with it.

[Good Cheer]

This bbl is 1-16. That thought past fleetingly too has to be 45+ most places to hunt big game. Id like to keep that as an option.

For the muzzle loader barrel it's a 16" twist and a rifling die made from the barrel blank.
But, Texas doesn't have that .45 minimum rule.

[Dark Helmet]

About 5 thou (read 41 mag/405 Win bullets/boolits) smaller diameter than a 416 Taylor and the shoulder is further back than in the Lee 416 Taylor dies, more like a 338 Win Mag shoulder position