what is it????

[beladran]

SO um buying a ton of lino from this vintage print shop that went out of business 20years ago.. any how there is bright an shining lino then there is this other metal that is harder an has aged to a blackish tint... any ideas on what it is? Doubt it is steel cuz it Would be rusted an its to HEAvy to be aluminium

[Rangefinder]

Is it in pigs, type, or other? Could be mono--much higher tin and antimony might be oxidizing darker, kind of like old pewter does. Just a thought. If it IS mono, I'd say you just hit the motherload.

[454PB]

If this is in the letter forms, the black appearance "could" be ink.

I also received a pickup load of monotype/linotype years ago, and a lot of it was still coated with printers ink.

[beladran]

It's in type form

[wiljen]

it is most likely monotype, buy all of it too if you can afford it.

[beladran]

What's the going price for mono??

[Defcon-One]

What's the going price for mono??

I love this! They tried to answer your question, but you didn't answer any of theirs.

Here's what I would want to know to answer your question with a valid response:

1.) Is it in type form (strips, blocks) or in Ingots? Please describe it or include pics?

2.) Did they tell you it was Linotype or what?

3.) How old is it? (20 years means gray)

All of that would help a lot!

I have a bunch of Linotype in strips and ingots. The strips are all bright and shiny, they look new except for some ink spots. The ingots are all old looking and gray with a heavy film of oxidation on them.

They are exactly the same metal. The ingots were refreshed with plus metal and poured hot into large molds and slow cooled. The strips are done in machines under controlled condition from those ingots. Same stuff, looks completely different until I melt it, then it all looks the same again.

[beladran]

It's not in pig form its in type not strip form.. old man has no clue of actual age.. we did find this lino stamp a company was celebrateing 25years in business 1914-1939..

[Stick_man]

Awesome find! Buy all of it that you can affordl, then tell him you'll be back for the rest in a couple weeks. If the price is right, you won't have any problem selling it here. Hopefully you can get it at a good price.

Depending on the price, I'd be interested in some if you choose to offer some for sale here.

[Defcon-One]

Thanks for the answers!

I agree with Stick man, Buy all you can. It is either all Linotype or possibly some Monotype in the mix. All is good for Bullet Lead.

You mentioned steel. Just bring a magnet to resolve that issue, but I doubt it is. Weight/Density should help with identifying the lead alloys. If it's really heavy for its size it's probably Lead based.

Great score!

[Cherokee]

If the type is individual letters, it is probably monotype. If the type is words on a strip, then its linotype. Anyway, buy as much as you can, folks here will be glad to buy some from you in its raw form. After you get it, pic's will help and we can give you ideas on blending to get good alloys for use. If you want to sell some, do not melt it, folks like it in the raw form.

[beladran]

http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq149/beladran/Mobile%20Uploads/A0-100.jpg
picture is **** but there is roughly 270 drawers just like this

[Ervin]

There are folks that will pay good $ for those wooden trays.
Ervin

[bumpo628]

picture is **** but there is roughly 270 drawers just like this

Thar be monotype!

Lino is 4% tin, 12% antimony, 84% lead
Mono is 9% tin, 19% antimony, 72% lead

[454PB]

I posted this picture here some time ago, it's representative of the various forms monotype and linotype. The long strips of text are linotype, the large single letter blocks are monotype. Also pictured are the copper separating strips and the wood blocks the strips were attached to, and a boolit I cast to test hardness (you can see the test dimple on the nose).

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1578&d=1149353294

[beladran]

OMG there is a whole cabnet of those big blocks i didnt even include because they were so hard i thought they were metal of some sorts

[Rangefinder]

You hit the cast boolit MOTHERLOAD!! Get the entire stock and then go celebrate!

[454PB]

Did you notice the blackened appearance of the monotype pieces? That's residual printer's ink.

[beladran]

went and picked up my first 400lbs of the stuff and man im whooped!!!! today we just got these big spacer blocks and started on getting big letters.. still got 200lbs worth of the giant letters then god nows how much of the smaller font.. aint even touched the lino yet

[badbob454]

what was your cost , if you dont mind me asking ?

[beladran]

$1 a pound

[beladran]

http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq149/beladran/BelLooking.jpg
http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq149/beladran/monoblocks.jpg
http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq149/beladran/monospacers.jpg

here are a few pics from yesterday

[Link23]

man that puts my "stash" to shave, my stash only being 30 lbs of WW ingots

[leadman]

The cabinet you are standing in front of is worth some bucks also. Might be able to sell it easier if you left a few "samples" in the drawers.

If you smelt this down be aware the ink smells pretty bad. Don't know what is in it and you probably won't be able to find an MSDS for stuff that old so stay upwind and outdoors.

Don't know what other lead you have but you are going to need pure or soft lead to cut what you are getting. I have heard of monotype boolit cracking when sized.

Lino makes really shiny boolits but it is a waste of material unless you are casting like a 22 cal boolit.

I have lots of pure lead if you want to make a trade, just snd me a PM.

Have fun and don't wear yourself out hauling the take.

[beladran]

i melted down a bunch yesterday befor the heat got to much. i got 21 8lb ingots so far. Mixing with soft lead to bring it up to WW or mixing a little with WW to bring it up to hardball is what i am planning.

[beladran]

little update..

a sample was sent off an analyzed.. results came back a little shocking...

10%tin-40%antimony-44%lead- and almost 4% copper.. by the numbers it doesnt match up to lino,mono, or foundry. Im guessing it could have been a custom blend ?

[sargenv]

A custom blend indeed.. the copper will act as a hardening agent but if you thin it down enough, you may not even notice it in the mix.. that there is better than the 70/30 high antimony stuff roto metals sells.. wow.. 40% antimony! Boggles the mind.. Mono is like 9-19-72 I think.. Lino is more 4-12-84 ish.. off the top of my head.. You have some nice alloy there..

[zomby woof]

Damn......