311291 Starts here...Tally Ho the Fox!!

[Char-Gar]

OK.. It is time to kick off the 311291 group buy. This will be my third and last time as Honcho of one of these.

For those that don'e know, 311291 is one of the original Barlow/Ideal designs that go back to around 1905. It is still in production by Lyman while means over 100 years of use. It is has proven itself time and time again as one of the top 30 cal bullets.

This bullet will work well in most any standard 30 (30-30, 300 Savage, 30-40, .308, 30-06 etc. etc.) and most styles of rifling.

The bullet is being speced at .302 on the nose and .312 on the body. This should provide enough latitude to be a good fit in most standard 30 cal barrels. It will come out weighing about 172 grains from WW metal.

Being a six cavity mold, you can cast a pile of this in a short period of time.

If you want one, send $58.00. PM me for my address.

Be mindful of my rules, no fussing, no voting, not whining. I will ride herd on Lee and when the molds come, I will select one at random and do a test cast. If the bullets are acceptable, I will ship them out. If not, I will send the whole batch back to Lee.

Thus far, with the 311307 Mod, and the Fatter 30, I have had very good luck with Lee. Knock on wood that my luck holds up this last time.

Here is a pic of the bullet.

[sundog]

Ah, dang it all, anyway, Charles! Y'all are killing me with these group buys. My Ly 311291 DC is .311+ x .301+ and won't fit a 30-30 and a .308, but fits everthang else. I guess I'm gonna have to have one.... PM coming atcha. Thanks, Honcho. sundog

[wiljen]

PM sent.

[monadnock#5]

Keep your eyes peeled for an inbound PM.

Ken

[ron brooks]

PM is on it's way.

Ron Brooks
Zip Code 79084

[Char-Gar]

Corky/Sundog. I have several 311291 molds both SC and DC, my best runs .302 on the nose and works in a Winchester 94 and two Marlin 336 (MG) all in 30-30 and it fits just fine. Plenty of leverage to engrave the nose without any problem and the rounds can be ejected without pulling the bullet.

I was suprised it worked so well in one Marlin with a land diamter of .306, but the body is so long, the nose doesn't need the support of a true nose rider. One of the genius points of Barlows designs was the ratio of nose to body, which is about 50-50.

I have never found a Barlow or Loverin design that did not shoot well, if all other bases are covered. We keep trying to reinvent the wheel, but those boys got there firstist with the mostist.

I have a Browning Traditional Hunter 1885 SS in 30-30 and it won't fit there, because there is no leverage to engrave the nose and my thumb plays out.

Buckshot made a super neat nose size die that reduced the nose to .300 and it works fine in the Browning SS as well. I have used that die for several others ses, and it is one of the best loading gizmos I have ever used.

I have an old 311467 that runs .304 on the first band and .307 on the second. That might be just fine for a worn throat, but on an unworn throat is a real PITA to seat. I just resize the top two bands to .300 and get excellent result.

When I get my round tuit, I am going to get buckshot to make me another in .301. My world will then be perfect. Ol Buckshot is as handy as two pockets on a shirt and worth his weight in gold. If he is not a National Treasure, he is at least a Cast Boolit Treasure.

Anway... I returned your PM and I checked with Lee and the price is still the same.

[Char-Gar]

As long as I am on the subject of 30 cal cast bullets, let me finish my thought. While I have rifles in a number of bore sizes, I have pretty much sold my soul to the 30 caliber core. The majority of my rifles are in either 30-30 (5) , 30-40 5), .308 (3) or 30-06 (6).

I have several score of 30 cal molds, most of which can be sold off without any real loss.

I have found the Barlow designs (311291 and 311284) to be reliable performers in the 30-06 and 30-40. 311291 also does very well in the 30-30 round.

The Loverin designs (311466, 311467 and 311407) all do well in the various 30 calibers with the FN 311407 being just right for the 30-30. The 311407 is the most versitile of the Loverin fleet.

With this group buy I will have 6 bangers in 311407 and 311291, plus hollow points in both styles which will fill about 90% of my needs.

I also have an RCBS 165 Sil, which is the huckleberry for the .308.

I also have a custom design 210 grain FN (.250 meplat) which gives good accuracy in the Krags and 30-06s at 2K fps, which should be a hunting bullet from the headwaters for game larger than Texas whitetail.

Now if I just have a four or six banger 311284 for long range target shooting, I would have all my bases covered. Some day I am going to get NEI to cut me one.

With these molds and a collection of sizing dies (body and nose), I am in 30 cal heaven.

[Glen]

PM sent.

[castalott]

Hi Charger!

Put me down for 2. ( this is too good to be true) PM sent....When do you expect to close this out?

[Char-Gar]

Castallot... I am going to keep this offer going longer than I usually do. I know it is just past Christmas and Tax time will be upon us. So, I am going to keep it open until early March.

I am a true believer in this bullet and want everybody that wants one to have the chance to get in.

I will hold the checks and money orders and not cash them until it is time to send in the order. I will give notice via this thread of the deposit a couple of days in advance. I expect it will be the first week of March. I will then wait about a week to see if their are any duds and then send in the order and from there it is up to Lee.

In the two prior Group buys, I have not had any duds, so I don't expect any here, but who knows.

If all the checks arrive, we already have 13 molds spoken for.

[Hip's Ax]

I'm in for one, PM inbound. Thanks for being Honcho!

[Ricochet]

I'm in! PM coming.

[mike in co]

i'm in.......

[PatMarlin]

I'm thinkin' bout it, but there's so many buys I want. We'll see what develops. I want em' all.. :mrgreen:

[Gun Junkie]

I've been waiting for you to open this one up. Count me in for one.
72210

Thanks for hosting the buy!
Gun Junkie

[OLPDon]

Charger I'm in for one.
07208 OLPDon
PM is on the way

[Hip's Ax]

Check is in the mail. 07032

[kywoodwrkr]

Chalk up a mark for me for one of these.
Payment details to follow.
DaveP kywoodwrkr 42748

[versifier]

OK, me too. PM coming your way. 03845

[Heavy]

I am in and thanks

[Char-Gar]

Well, If all the "I am ins" and pm hatch we are well over twenty molds. HOWEVER all that counts in cash in hand. To that end here are the first zips that are paid. I will give more as the cash comes in.

78412 (2)
96744

[abunaitoo]

Hi Charger. I sse the check got to you. If I can find some money under the couch I may just go for one more.
If you reach 30 moulds before March, are you going to end the buy????

[Char-Gar]

No... I am going to stick by my word on the time..There may be some folks that took that serious and are relying on that time frame. I am one of those strange folks who say what they mean and mean what they say. I always keep my word, even if doing so turns out to be to my disadvantage. I was just raised that way.

[hpdrifter]

good to you charger. I am one of those......

glad to know there are still those types that do what they say.

[OLPDon]

Well, If all the "I am ins" and pm hatch we are well over twenty molds. HOWEVER all that counts in cash in hand. To that end here are the first zips that are paid. I will give more as the cash comes in.

78412 (2)
96744

My check went in that Blue Box USPO.
Thanks for the Honcho
Don

[twotoescharlie]

check mailed today--30078

TTC

[warf73]

How hard would it be to send this mold back to Lee to have it opened up to say .314-.316"?

I think this would work great in my M-44 but it slugs out at .313"

If you all think it would be too much of a hassle for Lee to open it up then at least I know so I won’t send any money.

Thanks Warf

[Char-Gar]

Warf.. I don't have a clue if Lee will do this work and if so how much. My guts tell me you are barking up the wrong tree, but I really don't know.

Many of the early Lyman/Ideal versions of this mold cast .314 or greater. I have on that runs a full .316 on the body. The specs on the molds were all over the map. Many of us have several of these, so we can have a choice of "as cast" diameters. There are plenty of these molds used on Ebay. They are a common item and don't bring premium prices.

The advantage of this group buy is we can get a 6 cavity, speced at the most useful dimensions (.312 X .302)

[Char-Gar]

Two more checks came in the mail today..

83706 (2)
79084

[Larry Gibson]

I'm in for one.

Larry Gibson

[libbyman]

Check in the mail.
Thanks for the effort.

Ken in nw Mt.

[Char-Gar]

The Postal gal brought two more checks today

07032
03845

[Bodydoc447]

No. Really.

Doc
79424

[OLPDon]

Hey 07032
Seen your zip several times I am at 07208 Eliz not too many of NJ shooters least caster how long you been casting. Good to see another Garden Stater.
Your Neighbor and Big City Slicker
Don

[Hip's Ax]

Nice to meet you Don. Truth is I found this board because of an 1889 Schmidt Rubin I bought about two years ago and solely due to its original paper patch ammo. I can't stop reading this board with its very intelligent and diverse exchange of information. Wound up buying a ridiculous amount of stuff to brew my own lube, sizing equipment and a bunch of molds and truth is I haven't cast a single bullet yet or even fired one for that matter, I have loaded some rounds that have yet to see the range. I have had Bullshop make me some bullets from my own mold as well as a bunch from his molds. With living where I do its kind of hard to find somewhere to cast but it will happen eventually. That and my heavy match shooting schedule kind of keeps me busy as well. Where do you shoot? I shoot at Cherry Ridge, Ridgewood and Millville and also a bunch of places in PA and a little in VA, OH and NY. Forgive me if I don't answer back right away, I'm all packed for my first real vacation in a couple of years and I’ll be away for three weeks after tonight. :hijack:

[warf73]

Dang it Charger this is a great looking mold and you now have my wife mad at ya :-D I'm going to need another rifle so I can shoot this boolit.:mrgreen:

I'm in and pm sent for your address.

Warf 67060

[Char-Gar]

Todays hatch...

99336
65759
30078
37620
42748
43724

[castalott]

You are scaring me Chargar....I mailed mine out 4 or 5 days ago....

[Char-Gar]

Don't be scared..mail from Yankee states is often held in quarantine by Texas Customs for a few days. If nothing is noticed growing from it in a couple of days, it will be sent on down to deep South Texas.

[castalott]

Hi Chargar...

Quarantine??? Isn't that an old Texas dance step with 1 step forward and 2 steps back????:D

[Glen]

Chargar -- I had to laugh reading your description of Texas Customs Quarantine. Remember that trade that you and I pulled off several years ago? Your package arrived on my doorstep about 48 hours after you mailed it, but mine (which was actually mailed the day before you sent yours) took 9-10 days to cover the exact same distance and get to you in South Texas. NOW I know why! ;-)

[Char-Gar]

The Postman Cometh...

66215
07208
79424
62899 (2(


Glen..I remember the swap very well. I always figured the post office had a hard time finding my hideout here in the brush.

[mdatlanta]

I'm in. PM Sent.

Thanks!

mdatlanta
zip 30083

[Char-Gar]

Here is what came in todays mail... This makes 24 molds paid for


38001
37664
63026
59923
67060

[brimic]

PM sent, hope I'm not too late:neutral:

[Char-Gar]

Boys... I know it is a PITA to read this entire thread, but please know this offer will be kept open through February..so don't panic..plenty of time and room for anybody that wants one.

[monadnock#5]

My payment went into the mail 15 minutes ago. Thank you Chargar!

Ken

[Char-Gar]

Funds for two more came today... That puts up at 26, one more than needed for the buy...so.. "The game is afoot"

10009 (2)

[sundog]

Charles, check in the mail today, be looking for it. sundog

Oh, and thanks!

[Char-Gar]

OK.. received payment for 4 more molds today

77345 (2)
48183
72210

[Jon K]

I'll take one, PM sent.

Jon
92530

[piwo]

Greetings Charger,
Since this mould works well in the 30-06, I'm going to take a leap and say it may work well in the variants of Russian "Mosin Nagant" (Three Line Rifles). I need to slug the bores of the 5 I own and see what I get, but I have a question. The Russian rifles have a 1-10 twist and I'm just curious what the rate of twist on your 30-06's are? What is the overall boolit length? Hopefully be able to stabilize the round wit cast given the Ruski barrel dimensions.

Does anyone use this particular mould for use with Russian Mosin Nagant rifle variants?

[Ricochet]

Most .30-06s have a twist of 1 turn in 10 inches. So does my .300 Weatherby. Sometimes a twist of 1-12" is used, as is standard in the .308 Winchester.

[piwo]

THanks richochet, I'll presume if the barrel internal dimensions are conducive, it should be ok with it then.

[Char-Gar]

This bullet works well in twist from 1-10 to 1-14.

The nominal twist of the 30-06 is 1-10
The nominal twist of the 30-40 is 1-10
The nominal twist of the 30-30 is 1-12
The nominal twist of the .308 is either 1-10 or 1-12 depending on maker

The twist won't be a problem in your Rooski..the fly in the ointment might be the diameter. Rooskis can run large.

[0802]

CITM Friday. Zip = 22554

[Char-Gar]

A couple of more checks from Yankeeland slipped through the blockade.

53037
03455

That makes 32... I think.

[Char-Gar]

Three more arrived today

74429
48092
30083

That makes 35.. I think

[Char-Gar]

Todays mail..

99336 (2)

This makes 37 molds

[piwo]

OK.... I slugged a Finn today and a pair of Russians (rifles that is :-D ) and the groove diameter of them ranges between.310 - .312. So is this the mold for me, or do I need something that is even larger? I read on other threads here where folks like to be .001 - .002 over sized, and some of these would be the exact diameter.

Whatcha think?

[piwo]

Anybody got a small handfull of these ready for reloading at .312 they are willing to part with??

Of course I'll pay for shipping.....

[376Steyr]

PM sent. Thanks!

[Char-Gar]

PIWO.. I wish there were hard and fast formulas for bullet size. But, the sizing diamter not only depends on the bore groove diamter, but the metal alloy, velocity and type of powder.I would think this bullet would work just fine, but it might take some fiddling with the foregoing factors.

[piwo]

PIWO.. I wish there were hard and fast formulas for bullet size......I would think this bullet would work just fine.......

I think it will too. Since the check is not in the mail, I cannot say "I'm in", but that is the plan.... This looks to be as close a fit as to work for multiple rifles I own. If I have one VERY large barrel to stuff, I'll have to decide if it merits the additional effort. It probably won't fit in my 30-06 only because I had the chamber cut so that the 165 Sierra I am using will sit in the case neck, just before it would enter the shoulder. This bullet may be too long and extend into the shoulder, but that will be for measuring when I get the overall dimensions. The ruski throats are far more generous so there shouldn’t be a problem with it.

[jim4065]

I'm in, too. But it sure would be nice if you'd just cash the check so it'll clear and be done with. If not - that's fine, too.
72034

[Char-Gar]

Todays mail brought another

22554


Guys, I don't want to cash checks and I don't want somebody else's money in my checking account for more than a day or so, and I don't want to keep that much cash around the house.

So, we have a choice...a small hastle for you or a big hastle for me...I vote to do it my way and let you have the small hastle. This honcho crap is hard enough without trying to keep money segregated in my bank account or be responsible for it at my home.

[OLPDon]

Hey Charger:
Thanks for all the hard work and Thanks the Misses as well I am sure between work and the casting hobby, oh yea the household chorses and keeping the orders in order. You must have your hands full.
So Thanks again.

PS .....What are you going to honcho next? Hehehehe! Only kidding I'm retired and wouldn't touch to post a honcho........
Don

[Char-Gar]

Todays payment

92530

[mike in co]

cash the checks now...move the money to a savings account.....
the checks maybe good but you will not know what your bank thinks of them.
get them all cleared by your bank....this could be as much as three weeks for a complete clear from some of our small local banks.
dont send a money order to lee based on your checking accout...cause it could come back to bite you.
cashing a check and taking the money right back out puts the responsibility on the account( your checking) that the bank uses to cash it.

[garandsrus]

Chargar,

The good news is that you get to do whatever you want to do as the honcho!

For the folks that want their check cashed right away, I would suggest sending the honcho a Money Order instead of a check. This removes the money from your account right away and let's the honcho do whatever he wants with the money whenever he wants to.

John

[mattc]

I agree with the money order idea, if you are like me and live paycheck to paycheck and tend to be a little impulsive on the spending it is much easier than trying to make sure you keep enough in the checking account
I was reading a on one mold and thought I should get in on that one than I noticed my zipcode in the list and realized I already had (oops) doing that could be a real pain if I paid with a check
I hope to get in on this one if funds allow

[Char-Gar]

Mike in Co... You see, I don't want the money in a my savings account any more than any other account. This is my third time as a Honcho and I am not a fool. I know there might be clinkers in the checks, and I don't send the money to Lee until I know all the checks are good.

Now.. for you whiners out there:

1) If you must have your check cashed ASAP, then don't send it to me, because I am not going to do that.

2) If you have already send a check and want it back I will sent it back to you. Just don't turn around and send me a money order. I have kept books on you once and I am not going to do it twice. This is a no pay job and I really am not interested in your angst.

3) If you are not a responsible adult and the check is no good when I do deposit it, then you just don't get a mold. I am not going to track your down and be a collection agent

See how simple this all is.....

[Glen]

Thanks for all you've done on this Charles. It seems to me the ground rules were very clearly explained at the outset of this GB, and you are handling things exactly as you explained that you would. Folks, it was explained to me a long time ago, don't criticize volunteer labor unless you're willing to take their place and do their job, right now! Charles is doing things exactly as he said he would at the beginning, so quit grousin'!

[mike in co]

you'er the MAN!

[w30wcf]

Chargar,

Thank you for your efforts on this. I will send you a PM for your address. Thank you also to .45 2.1 for his expertise on the design.

Just a couple of questions if you don't mind....

1.) Does the indicated bullet weight include the gas check?

2.) In addition to this version, if one were to want a plain based version also (less gas check shank) do you think LEE could simply (?) raise the cherry /lower the table to produce this version as well or would another group buy be required?

Thank you,
w30wcf

[45 2.1]

Chargar, Thank you for your efforts on this. I will send you a PM for your address. Thank you also to .45 2.1 for his expertise on the design.
Just a couple of questions if you don't mind....
1.) Does the indicated bullet weight include the gas check? No
2.) In addition to this version, if one were to want a plain based version also (less gas check shank) do you think LEE could simply (?) raise the cherry /lower the table to produce this version as well or would another group buy be required? LEE does not use a cherry. They will not put more than one design/cut in a mold either.
Thank you,
w30wcf

[w30wcf]

.45 2.1,
Thank you for the info. Regarding the plain based bullet, my thought was to have a separate mold so cut.

I guess if I want a plain based version bad enough, the easiest thing to do would be to order 2 molds, take 1 and machine away that portion of the blocks containing the gas check shank.:)

w30wcf

[PatMarlin]

Or just machine a few shanks off of this mold... :Fire:

I'm thinking about doing 1/2 and 1/2 on my last group buy 30 cal mold.

[bart55]

Thanks for the opportunity to get in on this, The money order will be off to you as soon as payday hits. I have had nothing but good luck with the six cav lee molds and cant wait to get this one .

[redbear705]

ok I am In!!

Jerry
48309


M.O. on the way! :)

[Char-Gar]

Here is No. 40

53317

[376Steyr]

Check went into the mail today. Thanks!

[David R]

A nutter one bites the dust!

MONEY ORDER went out today

David 14103 :)

[Four Fingers of Death]

International money via email yesterday, Mick.

[Char-Gar]

Another payment arrived today. This makes the dreadful number 41. Now if that makes no sense to you, it is because you are not Mexican.

72034

The sender included a note requesting the check be cashed ASAP.. Nope ,not going to do that. See the above postings on the topic for your options.

[sundog]

Charles, my horizon has been expanded today although that is something that I did not necessary have to know about.... I am not Mexican, but I can google and read.

[PatMarlin]

:confused: Spock, explain?.. :mrgreen:

[Char-Gar]

Corky.. Welcome to the world of Mexican esoterica! When I was a kid growing up in the Borderlands of Texas, no sports jersey bore the number 41. Any kid that got a Jersey with that number would have been razzed off the planet. Aye 41!

[gregg]

Corky.. Welcome to the world of Mexican esoterica! When I was a kid growing up in the Borderlands of Texas, not sports jersey bore the number 41. Any kid that got a Jersey with that number would have been razzed off the planet. Aye 41!


On 17 November 1901 Mexico City police raided a private party and arrested the forty-one men in attendance, half of them dressed as women. "The ball of the 41," as it came to be known, quickly became the scandal of the year, inspiring over a month of strident, often fanciful newspaper reporting; a barrage of corridos and poems, some illustrated with etchings by José Guadalupe Posada; vociferous editorials and sermons; and several fictional narrations of the event, including a novel. Through all this clamor the party gained immense symbolic importance in Mexico as the number 41 itself came to signify male homosexuality. Perhaps more important, the event initiated the first significant discussion of same-sex sexual relations in Mexico since colonial times and raised questions about sexuality, masculinity, and Mexicanness itself that are still debated nearly a century later.

Things a guy learns here. :O

[PatMarlin]

Guess that screws that whole "Machismo" thing up... :mrgreen:

[Char-Gar]

The rest of the story..

The "Famous 41" were arrested by the police and made to sweep the streets of Mexico City in their "party attire and gowns". They were then conscripted into the Mexican Army and sent to Yucatan where they dug and cleaned latrines for two years.

The actual count was 42, but one was released because the police said she was a "real woman". The word on the street was that she was a he, and a close relative of Porfirio Diaz the then strong man President of Mexico. Hence in the lexicon of Mexicanisms the number 42 stands for the one that got away.

"El Corrido de los Cuarente y Uno Maricones" (The Ballad of the 41 Homosexuales) is still heard in Mexico from time to time. Just about the entire history and culture of Mexico is contained in the endless list of Corridos.. fascinating stuff.

Yes, we do stretch and learn things here... Viva La Raza!

[OLPDon]

Are we now going to limit the amount of mould to 40 with a min 25. There might be a good selling point here, the checks might arrive sooner for the honcho from now on. And now for the most obvious question----------- but------- I guess they would better not be noted with less a then questionable mould (Booleta 41)
Don

[versifier]

Have you ever been in a hotel with a 13th floor? 10, 11, 12, 14, 15, etc... If you really wanted to go that far, you could go 38, 39, 40, 42, 43, etc, keeping in mind that the number 42 has its own positive connotations for modern Sci-fi fans. [smilie=1:

[ron brooks]

42 is also a popular domino gave as well.

Ron

[carpetman]

I only live 150 miles from Mexico--have lived in Texas all my life except military--part of that in Texas too. I have never heard of these connotations of 41. Now in San Antonio they had to quit putting call 911 on their squad cars--The Mexicans thought they were Porsche 9-11's and stole them. Cinco Da Mayo is celebrated here which is 5th of May and is some sort of liberation date of Mexico. Reason I don't know the exact is that Mexicans here don't seem to know either,but a good day to celebrate. Another date that gets celebrated only in Texas is June 19th. This is celebrated by blacks in Texas. Again most blacks don't really know why. It is the generally accepted date that the news that slaves were freed finally reached Texas. It is not the date of their freedom.

[Char-Gar]

Carpetman

1) 150 miles is too far from Mexico for that level of esoterica to go. Even in places directly on the border and the number 41 signifies "un joto", most don't know why.

2) May 5, 1862 an army of 4,000 Mexican nationalists defeated an 8,000 member combined French and traitor Mexican army. This took place in near Puebla and ended once and for all foreign control of Mexico. While not a true Mexican Independence Day it is treated as such.

Enchiladas, tacos, fajitas, barbacoa, speeches, music and great fun, I like to attend those celebrations when I can.

3) Yes indeed "Juneteenth" is celebrated by Texas blacks as Emancipation Day. It was indeed the date when the news of emancipation reached Texas. BBQ, watermelon, speechs, music and great fun. I like to attend those celebrations when I can.

Ain't Texas grand... We get three 4th. of July type holidays to celebrate.

[sundog]

Ray, Juneteenth is not just a Texas affair. BIG shindig in Greenwood (Tulsa), too! Same place as the infamous Tulsa Race Riots of 1920(?).

[ron brooks]

I have lived for years along the Mexican border in such =places as Tucson, Bisbee, AZ and El Paso and have never heard about this. Live and learn I guess.

Ron

[Char-Gar]

Todays hatch..brings us up to 45 molds

NSW 2759
48309
14103
73063

[Four Fingers of Death]

It's probably just a typo Chargar, but the post code is 2795, Mick.

[Char-Gar]

Mic.. yes, just a typo. I have some sort of brain problem that wants to reverse the last to digits in a series of number. I can't tell you the number of times I have got turned around in hotels and misdialed telephone numbers.

[Larry Gibson]

Charger

MO s in the mail.

Larry Gibson

[Char-Gar]

This thread has run on for a few pages, and folks are not reading it all, which I can understand. Anyway..I am getting PMs wanting to know if it is too late to get in on the buy.

So..let me say again... I will hold this buy open through the end of this month (February). I will close it down and cash the checks on March 1 and in a couple of weeks to let the checks clear, I will send the order to Lee.

[Ol'Scudder]

Chargar

I'm in for one mold - PM sent

73572 Thanks!

[Hanz]

A newbie question:

Are boolits cast from this mould safe for tubular magazines?

[Edward429451]

311291's are listed in my Lyman manual under 30/30, so yes.

[bart55]

Money Order went out yesterday.

[Char-Gar]

Todays payments with zips.. This makes 47

18509
73572

[robertbank]

I have this mold and while loads are listed for 30-30 I think they are for bolt action rifles. The 31141/311041, 31141 and 311440 bullets are designed for the 30-30. The nose, while rounded is not flat and I would be very careful using it in a tubular magazine. An outstanding choice for the 30-06 though.

Take Care

Bob

[Char-Gar]

Todays payments and zips..this makes 47

49269
98467

Now a couple of comments.

1. I will close this buy on the last day of this month (Februar), any checks arrive after than will be sent back.

2. I have used this bullet in tubular magazine 30-30s with zero problems as have many, many others. The recoil, even with full snort loads if not enought to set off a primers with his blunt nose. I would be very careful, however, about high primers and make certrain there are none.

No way would I use a blunt RN in the tubular magazine of a 45-70.

That said, my experience is not a universal truth, and if you blow your self up, you blood be on your own head.

[robertbank]

Good to know, gives me another option for my Winnie.

Thanks

Bob

[sagamore-one]

Hi Guy.
I would like to be included in the group buy for one of the 6 cavity 311291 molds. Please e-mail me your snail mail address so I can send postal money order.
Count me in for one mold.
Thanks ..Sagamore-one

[wrench]

Sent you a PM, I too would like to get in on this mold.

[Char-Gar]

These two make 51

97470
57317

[mike in co]

i'm in ....but the check has not gone out yet...

i'll try to ensure it goes out soon enought to meet your deadline

thanks
mike in co

[Char-Gar]

LAST CALL Boys! I will deposit the check in the bank on or about March 1. I will wait until they clear and then send the order to Lee. Send no personal checks that won't make it here by March 1. I will still accept money orders up to the time I send in the order. Lets call that March 10th.

[PatMarlin]

OK Dang I'm in Charles. Sendn' a money order your way.

[felix]

Money orders are no different than checks these days. Thanks the new banking regs in tune with the new "paternal-fatherknowsbest" laws. The only way to get money safely and sound overnight is via EFT. Even then, if "they" want to back it out, the new regs support this. ... felix

[Ricochet]

USPS money orders are probably the most widely counterfeited form of money at present. During the Christmas season I got held up in line (to pick up my Gewehr 88) at the Post Office by a family that had gotten one for something on eBay.

[robertbank]

USPS money orders and US Social Security cheques.

I have seen them raise so well you almost could not tell the cheque had been altered. It is possible to wash out the ink used to state the amount and write the cheque for what ever amount you think you can get away with.

The con artists primary target up here are single women living at home on welfare with internet access. In 2005 we were averaging about four a year in a small town of 35,000.

I have also sat and watched a registered agent for Protectorgraph copy my signature onto a cheque. I couldn't tell my signature from what he had signed.

Like Felix said, EFT via Paypal, and direct deposit (In Canada we have National Banking systems that allow for same), are the way to go if you do not know the individual you are receiving the money from.

Take Care

Bob

[PatMarlin]

I was just at my post office, and a lady got stuck with $900 in money orders, but I don't know if it was an eBay sale or what.

The good thing about Postal Money orders are they can check if it's good and cash it, so just don't ship until they check it.

I just specify I will be checking the validity of the money order before shipping. That autta stop a thief smart enough to be able to counterfiet well.

[Char-Gar]

Still they come... four more came today

91741
98522
55117
97830

[Four Fingers of Death]

Pat, it seems if you were going to all the trouble of rorting a money order (probably a fed offence there) you'd aim a bit higher than a group buy mould. :)

[PatMarlin]

Pat, it seems if you were going to all the trouble of rorting a money order (probably a fed offence there) you'd aim a bit higher than a group buy mould. :)


Wha?.. :confused: :confused: :confused:

Chargar Charles group buys are priceless.. :mrgreen:

[eka]

Chargar,

I'm in for one mould. PM sent.

24201

Keith

[Char-Gar]

ONe more came today... This makes 56

467750

[borderman]

Chargar,

The money order is in the mail.

47401

Many thanks for your efforts again.

[woody1]

Still they come... four more came today

91741
98522
55117
97830

Since mine should be there by now, I have to ask was 97830 perhaps 97630? Regards, Woody

[Char-Gar]

Woody... I am doing this from the office and will check when I get home. Keep an eye peeled.

Guys.. A fellows with all of the correct dealers documents contacted Lee and said, we could get a nice discount on his license. I declined for the following reasons

1. The molds would have to be shipped to him. He would either then have to ship them to me or ship them out to the buyers.

2. If I am responsible for this, I want it all in my hands and don't want to be standing around with my thumb up (well you know where) and a dumb look on my face if I can't locate the molds.

3. You guys agree to the original price

4. I don't want the pain of trying to issue 50 plus refund checks

I just thought you should know. If anybody wants their money back and try to get another group buy of 50 together, I will send it back.. but I will stay on my original course. I like to keep all things out in the open and didn't want this to surface someday and you wonder what I did what I did.

[jim4065]

Charger,

Just my opinion but I don't want to change anything. I kind of like this system of having a Honcho who's run it from the begining. I know where I stand with the present deal and don't have to worry about new rules after the fact. Besides, the moneys already spent when I wrote the check - I'm happy with your deal. :-D

Jim

[Char-Gar]

Woody... Your payment is here..you are good.

Two more came today

16506
75244

[Heavy]

Stay the course. I am with you.

[dubber123]

Chargar, just mailed the M.O. I too would like to stick with the origional deal. Thanks, Dubber123

[Four Fingers of Death]

I am very happy with the current set up, but this is possibly an option for future buys, but I don't see any sense in changing horses in the middle of the crick.

It might be an idea to try it for one gb in the future to see how it goes. It would have some advantages, use of credit card for example, but any price saving would be sucked up giving the dealer a profit probably.
Mick.

[hpdrifter]

I see no reason to change course now either.

[garandsrus]

Well I didn't plan on saying anything, but since Charger mentioned it, I'm the person that Chargar referred to in post 129... I just recently sent my paperwork to Lee and found out the details about dealer pricing. To become a "dealer" all you need is a C&R FFL, which many of us have.

The reason this came up at all is that to get dealer pricing, which is $33.33 per mold for a 6 cavity, you have to order at least 50 molds. This group buy would qualify since we are over that number. Many group buys would not.

I didn't plan to make any profit on the deal, which Chargar can attest to. I suggested that the savings (around $1000 with 60 molds) be donated to Cast Boolits.

I respect Chargars decision to stay with the original deal which I am a participant in also.

John

[teddyblu]

CHARGER:

PM sent I'm in for one mold
75672

Larry

[Char-Gar]

One more came today.. Guys if there is one addy on the envelope and another on the check, I am going to post the zip on the check and that is where I will ship to unless you have said otherwise.

49911

[fatnhappy]

My MO went into the mail today. I guess I'm voting with my wallet on how I'd like you proceed Charles, however....... Instead of refunds I'd be just as happy to turn the difference over to the website, were you so inclined to pursue that option. Sorta like Midway's round up program.


Edited to add: I absolutely support whatever choice of action you take Charles.

[mark h]

My MO went in the mail today, and I'm happy with the original deal.

Mark H
70118

[mike in co]

usps mo in the mail this am
for one
80015

[Four Fingers of Death]

I was just checking to see if I have sent the money for this GB (I am in so many, I lose track) and I found this a few pages back:

International money via email yesterday, Mick

That was via airmail, D'oH!

[Char-Gar]

Mick.. You sent a money order for a mold and the 25 Remington die. If you sent another, do you want two molds or want me to send it back to you? The money order I have is date January 30, 2007.

[Molly]

Hey, PIWO,

311291 (from a Lyman 6-cav) works fine in 7.62x54R. In fact, if you just size it as large as possible and still allow the round to chamber, it'll work in most 30 cal or close, (7.5 to 7.65 mm bores anyhow. And you can paper patch for larger bores like 8mm.)

Molly

[Molly]

.45 2.1,
I guess if I want a plain based version bad enough, the easiest thing to do would be to order 2 molds, take 1 and machine away that portion of the blocks containing the gas check shank.:)

w30wcf

This works very well: I've modified any number of molds like this. Also, you can machine off the BOTTOM of the mold to expose the tip of the cavity and make yourself a nose-pour mold. (Gotta fit a double-sided sprue cutter and turn it upside down of course ...

Molly

[Molly]

OK,

I apparently found this thread just in time to get in. Can someone give me details? I'd need to know:
1. Does price include shipping?
(If not, how much do I add for S&H?)
2. Who (What address) do I send the money to?
3. What is the preferred method of payment?

Also: Anything similar planned for 3111290 or similar slugs?

If private info is involved, please answer directly to:
kennethmollohan@yahoo.com

Thanks,
Molly

[Four Fingers of Death]

The deal is usuall $US60 shipped to continental US, aliens and allies like me by individal arrangement.

[dromia]

How much to ship to the UK?

[Four Fingers of Death]

It's $US11.60 to ship to here, it wouldn't be much different to ship to the UK. I give the honchos $US75, that leaves a couple of dollars spare in case the mail cost increase or whatever. PM the honcho and get a quote. He will probably take one of his old group buys down to the Post Office and get a quote.

It is brilliant when the honcho has PayPal, instant money transfer, allow extra to cover the honcho's costs (PayPal commission) and it is about a third as expensive as sending an International Money Order via airmail and takes seconds from home instead of a trip to the post office and a week or so's wait.

[Char-Gar]

Here are the ones that came this weekend

70118
76234
47401
05252
24201
75672
62801 (2)

[brimic]

It's $US11.60 to ship to here, it wouldn't be much different to ship to the UK

Dang, not bad!:-D

I had to order a replacement sprue cam from Lee a few weeks ago, they charged me ~$5 shipping, and I live 10 miles down the road from Lee Precision.:(

[Char-Gar]

Guys, I keep getting PMs from guys wanting in. I really don't want to exclude anybody, but there has to be an end to everything and molds ordered so folks can start "running ball".

Let's do this:

1)You have until March 1 to get your check or money order in the mail. When the run rises on March 2 and you have not done it..forget it!

2) I will post the zips as they come.

3) March 10, I will give a cut off and deposit the checks and money order. If you zip has not been posted and the check is in the mail PM me.

4) If you zip has not been posted by March 10 and you have not PMed me. I will send you check back if it arrives.

[Char-Gar]

Three more paid molds for today

14623
80015
DH3 2AY (UK)

I would have to do a count, but I think this puts us somewhere around 70 with some more on the way.

[mike in co]

i said i'd try to get there by the cut off

mike out
80015

[Molly]

... I would have to do a count, but I think this puts us somewhere around 70 with some more on the way.

Well, I'm in the later class: my PMO for the 311291 went into the mail this afternoon. I'd sure like to see a similar group purchase for 31290: It's even better than 311291, which is great!

Molly
45255

[fatnhappy]

Molly,


Do you have a 311290? I just saw a single cavity on e-bay. It went for $38 or so. It sure looks like a winner.

Dean

[Molly]

Molly,
Do you have a 311290? I just saw a single cavity on e-bay. It sure looks like a winner.
Dean

Sure do. I've had one for about 40 or 50 years. (Does that date me?) I've had excellent results with it. It's just as accurate as 311291, or maybe a trifle better, even though the nose is an easy slip fit in most .308 bores, instead of being tight as it should be. One of these days, I'm going to beagle it, but in my new apartment, I just don't have a lot of maneuvering room. It has about the same velocity potential, and carries more weight (penetration) from me to the deer. It also has a bit less drop, but not enough to write home about.

The only reason I don't use it more is that it's a single cavity, while I managed to pick up a Lyman 4 cav for 311291 about 25 or 30 years ago. The volume of production per hours of casting for 311291 seemed to overshadow the improvement in performance of the 311290. So I spent a lot more time shooting 311291, and for some reason, whenever deer season rolled around, I seemed to have a nice 311291 load already developed for whatever I was shooting that year....

I’m not exactly feeling deprived for having a properly dimensioned 311291 gang mold, but I sure would like to get a group purchase going on a properly dimensioned 311290 4-banger. 311291 is excellent, but 311290 is ULTIMATE! Anyone else out there?

Regards
Molly

[45 2.1]

Maybe Molly would send some as cast samples to measure and Honcho a GB?

[Molly]

Maybe Molly would send some as cast samples to measure and Honcho a GB?

I'd be happy to send a few Linotype slugs for measurement. Just send me your address. How many would you need / like? (I only have a small Speer box cast up at the moment - say 70 or 80 slugs. )

Without wanting to weasel, I'd have to decline to Honcho: I've got some serious health problems that could keep me relatively incapacitated for a month or two while recovering from some exploratory surgery. Might be longer than that, depending on what the doctors find.

Regards,

Molly

[Molly]

Hey, 45-2.1,

I just noticed you're on line right now. Want to give me a call and talk?
(513) 843-0243.

God Bless,
Molly

[45 2.1]

I'd be happy to send a few Linotype slugs for measurement. Just send me your address. How many would you need / like? (I only have a small Speer box cast up at the moment - say 70 or 80 slugs. )

Without wanting to weasel, I'd have to decline to Honcho: I've got some serious health problems that could keep me relatively incapacitated for a month or two while recovering from some exploratory surgery. Might be longer than that, depending on what the doctors find.

Regards,

Molly

It will be awhile until a GB could be run, we're stuffed right now. You have a PM.

[sagamore-one]

Hi Guy
I.m 46750. What is 467750?
Sagamore-one

[Char-Gar]

Sag.. Don't make me work for it..give me the number of the post or something to help me from going back through this whole thread. I assume I must have hit a key twice..but you need to help me out.

[Char-Gar]

OK Boys.. Tomorrow is the very last day. Any letters postmarked Feb. 2 and after will be returned unopened. Fair warning!!!

[ktw]

OK Boys.. Tomorrow is the very last day. Any letters postmarked Feb. 2 and after will be returned unopened. Fair warning!!!

I put a check in the mail last week tuesday (49946). Haven't seen the zip in any of your updates yet. Can we get a complete list of molds ordered?

-ktw

[Char-Gar]

Boys.. if you are looking for the list, firget it, the various posts are correct. The fellow above send me his payment with one return address on the envelope and another on the the check. I listed the zip on his check.

My process for handling this stuff is very low tech, but it works.

1) When I get a letter, I check to see if a check is inside and then list the zip on the net.

2) All letters and checks are kept inside of my biggest gun safe

3) When I have all the checks, I make up address labels and double check the addresses and zips

4) I deposit the checks

5) I send the money to Lee

6) When the molds come, I peel of the label, stick it on the box and take them to the post office. I send them priority mail with delivery confirmation.

That is all..very simple..but it works for me.

[njmj]

Charger,
I can't stand it any longer. Please send me address to send M.O. to so's I can get in on this.
Sure hope you meant March 2 instead of Feb. 2. Thanks, njmj

[Char-Gar]

Yep... I mean March 2nd.

Here are the funds that came today (March 1)

98467
45255
15068

Remember, if it isn't in the mail today, don't send it!

[sagamore-one]

Hi Guy. Just a little good natured fun. Double tapping the keys is almost automatic around here. Kinda like standing in front of the urinal and shouting "Shooter Ready".
I was thread #112. Followed by 126.

[Char-Gar]

Todays hatch (March 2)

97148
46307

[Char-Gar]

Three more today.. March 3

27805
95831
85205

[Jack Stanley]

Land sakes that's a lot of molds . If this keeps up LEE might make it a regular production item huh?[smilie=1:

Jack

[versifier]

:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Perish the thought....that would be (dare I use the word)....intelligent....a virtual impossibility for a corporate mentality.

[Four Fingers of Death]

They would probably like to, but it is a mould that was introduced by Lyman and has been in continuous production ever since and apart from any legal ramifications (if there are any), would probably draw a bit of flack from the trade and shooters. I think they are pretty well flat out cranking out moulds anyway and if anything are trying to make the normal production scene simpler not harder.

I'll be glad to get mine, I have always wanted one of these and a 311284.

[Char-Gar]

Well here are two more, both postmarked on March 1, the last day. Are there any more coming postmarked on or before March 1? Post here is there are any others on the way. My PM box is about full, so don't PM me.

97415
08010

I have not kept a running total, but this makes the total in the low 80s. I have not had any problems with Lee on my first two group buys, keep your fingers crossed my luck holds up.

[Buckshot]

.................Hmmmmmmmmmmm, may be a record, but who's counting :-).

...............Buckshot

[45 2.1]

.................Hmmmmmmmmmmm, may be a record, but who's counting :-).

...............Buckshot

Its not a record yet, the 6.5mm cruise missle went higher.

[abunaitoo]

I thought I would give Charger a hand and list the zips that were posted. All I did was go through the thread and copy/paste all the zips from Chargers post. This may not be everyone, but I did double check it. Total is 80.
78412 (2)
96744
83706 (2)
79084
07032
03845
99336
65759
30078
37620
42748
43724
66215
07208
79424
62899 (2(
38001
37664
63026
59923
67060
10009 (2)
77345 (2)
48183
72210
53037
03455
74429
48092
30083
99336 (2)
22554
92530
53317
72034
NSW 2759
48309
14103
73063
18509
73572
49269
98467
97470
57317
91741
98522
55117
97830
467750
16506
75244
49911
70118
76234
47401
05252
24201
75672
62801(2)
14623
80015
DH3 2AY (UK)
98467
45255
15068
97148
46307
27805
95831
85205
97415
08010

[Four Fingers of Death]

My postcode is 2795, thanks.

This has always been one of the most popular moulds, I can't understand why I have never actually bought one.

Mick.

[Char-Gar]

OK.. Master lists is done..labels have been printed.. here are the codes.. These comes from the funds received. I took this directly from the letters.

I make this 72 orders for 79 molds

Funds will be deposited tomorrow.

If there are any problems, Say something TODAY


62801 (2)
78490 (2)
98522
16506
75144
83706 (2)
03845
96744
79084
72210
38001
91741
..............
07032
99336
37620
99336 (2)
30083
75672
47401
80015
49269
53037
97630
65759
42748
55117
74429
24201
14623
76234
10009 (2)
48183
62899 (2)
30078
43724
48092
45255
05252
DH3 1AY UK
70118
03455
77345 (2)
.....................

46750
98467
46307
95831
NSW 2795 AUS
73063
97470
72034
55317
59923
08010
22554
15068
27805
48309
18509
57317
67060
07208
63026
97415
97148
85205
92530
14103
49946
73572
66215
79424
37664

[Four Fingers of Death]

It's easy to see that this has been Lyman's most popular mould for yonks, popular here too! Can't wait, can't wait, can't wait, can't wait, can't wait, can't wait, can't wait, can't wait, can't wait, can't wait, can't wait, can't wait, can't wait, can't wait, can't wait, can't wait, can't wait, can't wait, can't wait, can't wait, can't wait, can't wait, can't wait, can't wait, can't wait, can't wait, can't wait, can't wait, can't wait, can't wait!!!!!!!!! :D

[Char-Gar]

I deposited the funds today... When the "funds available" balance equals the deposit amount I will have a Cashier's Check cut and off goes the order to Lee and then we sit and wait...

[fatnhappy]

I got anxious and couldn't wait. :drinks:



http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=013&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=230098583237&rd=1&rd=1

[mark h]

I see 70118 in the list from abunaitoo, but not chargar's list. You do show 70118 on 2/25, and I was assuming that was me.

Mark

[Char-Gar]

Thanks Mark.. There was a typo on my list which I posted.. I posted 70188 instead of 70118. I have made the correction, but the address lable and master list had it correct. You are good to go, if you can find a dry spot to cast.

[mark h]

That's easy, I live on the second floor. It'll stay dry up here, as long as our tarp holds out. We're waiting on contractors to rebuild the garage the tornado broke, and to replace the roof.

[Jon K]

What kind of projected wait are we loking at, once the order is placed? I need to plan ahead if I run out,my current mold is a SC, so iit takes time.

Jon
:castmine:

[Char-Gar]

Jon... I don't have a clue...It depends on how backed up the Lee custom shop is. The group buys from this board alone, keep them pretty busy. Ten days or two weeks after I send the check, I will call Lee to get an approximate delivery data. On both of the other group buys on which I served as Honcho, their delivery date was very accurate.

[Char-Gar]

OK Guys.. Today I placed a Cashier's Check for $4,004.00 in the mail to Lee. This is for 80 molds. No checks bounced. Now we wait!!!

[Ricochet]

WOO-HOO!
:drinks:

[fatnhappy]

WOO-HOO!
:drinks:


I'll second that. What's amazing isn't that 80 guys bought moulds, rather there'll be 20 requests for the mould down in the swapping and selling section come august. You have to pay to play.

:mrgreen:

[Char-Gar]

Yep... for certain, there will be others that want this mold and perhaps in a year or so there may be enought interest for another run..but I won't be the Honcho.

I undertook the Honcho thing on this buy, because I wanted this mold and it seemed the only way I was going to get one was to ramrod the deal. Well.. I bought three!!! No..I these are not extras to pass on the the late folks. They are my personel stash and will not be for sale or trade. I also have three of the original 311407 Mod. Folks can whine all they want, they ain't getting mine.

I know what this bullet will do and I am tired of banging them out on a two hole Lyman. When a four hole comes up on Ebay it sell for about what I am paying for my three on this buy.

In many ways there is an overlap in the utility of 311407 Mod and 311292, but there is enough difference so that my rifles can have a choice. If a rifle barrel won't shoot one of these, then it is tme to make a tomato stake out of the barel.

[AaronE]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH ...Just found this one...from my temp post in Japan. 2 days too late.

[Molly]

Stay tuned aaron,

There's an outside chance that another might be in the offing: A couple of us have been looking at modifying 311290 so's it'll fit in Lee blocks ...

[Char-Gar]

Molly, I don't want to rain on anybody's parade, but I see no sense is trying to jack with 311290 to fit in Lee blocks. 311291 and 311407 Mod. (both at about 170 grains) are at the limits for Lee six cavity blocks.

If you shorten the 210 grain 311290 for the Lee blocks, you are going to end up with 170 grains bullet much like 311291, but with a more pointy noise. Make no sense to me.

I would be one of the first to sign up for a six hole 311290 or 311284, but it ain't going to happen under the current limitations of the Lee blocks.

[bart55]

I can't wait , all these group buys are driving me nuts. My wife says that the lead must be affecting my brain cause thats all I want to do is cast bullets and shoot . I thought she knew that when she married me 38years ago

[abunaitoo]

Any idea how long Lee is going to take?????
These group buys are great. Wish I had known about these sooner. Missed out on some that I want.

[abunaitoo]

Is there a way to make this a sticky????

[dromia]

Hi Chargar,

just noticed on your master list that my post code is in error its gone from DH3 2AY on all your previous lists to DH3 1AY.

My correct post code is DH3 2AY I'm in the UK.

[Char-Gar]

dromia.. You be Adam..and I checked my mailing labels and I have it correct there. The mistake was only on the list posted here. You will be good to go when the molds get here.

[dromia]

Yes Charles I be Adam.

Thanks for the confirmation

I wasn't too worried, just thought better sure than sorry

These group buys certainly teach you patience [smilie=1:

[versifier]

They sure can. I'm waiting for four now. None of them beat the blackflies this year, oh well. Nice to have a new mould or two to play with inside when the flies get bad and you lose more blood outside to the little buggars than at a Red Cross drive. I can't complain, though, it's been a good spring for shooting. I do hope the GB's will be along soon.

[mike in co]

Just Want To Bump The Three I'm Waiting On Back To The Front...just 'cause

[Char-Gar]

Mike... I faxed Lee asking for a delivery date. They said to allow them a minimum of 4 months. That means it will be late July at the earliest before we can hope to be seeing these molds. This is double the time it used to take. Seems like some bunch of cast boolit nuts are keeping them busy and their custom shop if backed up.

[fatnhappy]

bumped up

[Four Fingers of Death]

Thanks, Chargar
I have been trying to sort out where I'm at with all of this. I have been so busy nursing my wife in the past year my reloading hasn't been unpacked since moving back home last July and all of the group buys, etc are in there somewhere. If you'd have told me I had it I would have believed you and spent the rest of my days looking for it :(

[abunaitoo]

Can this be turned into a sticky????

[Glen]

Funny this thread should pop up to the top again today....I was just out shooting some 311291s yesterday. It just seemed appropriate to celebrate our Nation's Independence with some .30 cal cast bullet noise-making. .30-40 Krag with 30 grains of 4895 groups this bullet very nicely, and delivers about 1930 fps. Very nice load!

[mike in co]

semi anual bump.......of my three gb's

[jim4065]

I've come to the conclusion that the primary requirement to getting a GB mold is PATIENCE. I'm in on about 9 of these, and have yet to see a mold. Didn't order a mold from CBE last fall becuase they were 3 months out- but that's a drop in the bucket compared to Lee.

Speaking of CBE - have they been approached about a four cavity GB? Not trying to stir things up, just curious. The "Search" function didn't answer that question, but it may not have been posed properly. A well made brass 4 banger in 311407 or 311290 would be worth paying an extra $50 or $60.

[Jack Stanley]

It's getting on to the end of July now and I'm starting to get a bit excited about the new mold .
Ya know a fella can get hooked on having good molds the work right and make good bullets . :-D

Jack

[Char-Gar]

I will let you know when they get here and I test one. It will then take a week or ten days to get them in the mail.

I will post here on this same thread.

[David R]

No hurry charger, I have a lyman 2 cavity 311291. I would rather make 6 to a pour than 2.

David

[versifier]

Chargar:
You don't need to eat any extra postage as far as I'm concerned. With all that you have done to honcho this GB, a few more bucks your way is a pittance. Don't bite the boolit, ingesting lead is not good for you. :-D

Hopefully Lee will do a better job on this one than the RD C.360-180TL. Jeff has bent over backwards for all of us on that one and they still haven't come through with the right mould, third try coming up sometime......soon I hope.

[Char-Gar]

Boys, I thought I had deleted that first post and replaced it with the second, but I screwed up. I have done that now. I knew some of you would PM me with offers of more money for postage, but that won't be necessary. Let's dont worry about it.

[sundog]

Okay, Charles, but if an envelope shows up with a dollar cash and NO return address, what are you gonna do? We know where you live.

[versifier]

Any news yet? I doubt it, but wanted to move this thread up with the active ones.

[jim4065]

Mary at Lee says they're working on March orders now, so hopefully we'll have 'em by mid-September. Think I'll take a day off work when this mold finally arrives and get a serious stockpile of 30's. :-D Incidentally, she says they're still quoting 6 months on all new custom orders. :(


Hey, I just became a Boolit Master! Do I get a Diploma?

[Char-Gar]

I am just still sitting here in deep South Texas waiting for them to show up.

[Glen]

Why is it that it sounds like you have the start to a good C&W song there Charles? ;-)

[Jon K]

Mid September will be 6 months.

I just hope the mold doesn't wind up being BIG.

Jon

[Char-Gar]

Jon... It will be as long as it will be. Lee has been overwhelmed with custom orders. They have just installed a new machine dedicated to doing these molds. They are just finishing up the March orders. I mailed the check and order the last few days of March, but it went on their books sometime in early April. I guess they will be getting to in the next few weeks.

Could they be big? Yep! If they are way to big and beyond spec, they will be sent back.

In the meantime, try not to worry about it. Worry won't get them here one hour earlier or change their specs the tinest bit. Worry will make your day not as good as it could or should be.

[abunaitoo]

To big is not a problem to me. I think to small makes the mould useless.
If it cast big, you can just send it to me. I can size it if needed.
But it's up to charger. Whatever he does is fine with me.
I know most want it to be just right, and that's fine. Not trying to step on toes.

[hunter64]

I missed the GB so anyone who can't use a mold because it is to big I will buy from them, I have lots of .303's that use a .315 bullet and some as small at .311 so I can find a home for it.

[Char-Gar]

Oh good lord! The market for the used/unused molds have started before they have even arrived. BTW... I bought three (3)... and no they are not for sale. I also bought three of the 311407 Mod. and they are not for sale either. :-)

[eka]

Dang it Charger. You got me all excited when I saw that you had posting something on this thread. I thought, "They must have come in". Just to get my hopes dashed. :-D

Anyway, I think it's exciting, waiting with anticipation for a new toy.

Keith

[jim4065]

So - how about a $1.00 pool on when these finally arrive? Closest to actual date that the molds are first delivered to Charger - without going over. Charger can't bet, but we all send $2.00 each - $1 for the pool and $1 for him holding the money, dividing any splits, mailing it back out, and just being Honcho, etc. Adds a little kick to the thing, right?

Now all we gotta do is get Charger to buy in on it. :drinks:

[sundog]

Jim, nice idear, but if it takes forever, that's okay as long as it's RIGHT. I'd be more inclined to invest a dollar on that wager than WHEN.

[bart55]

My rifles are wanting to eat some of these new boolits .But Iam a patient man (thank God) I am not so sure about the rifles they may just want to eat something else in the meantime maybe even (gasp) a condum bullet .

[mike in co]

just 'cause its still not delivered.........

[jim4065]

"Worry won't get them here one hour earlier or change their specs the tinest bit. Worry will make your day not as good as it could or should be."
Charger 8/15/2007

Wish I was more laid back about these delays. It would be a blessing. You can accept it intellectually, but it's tough on a Type A personality. In fact - I'd rather change to a Type B than get a new mould. :)

[Char-Gar]

Jim... I highly recommend living four years in South America as a way to develope a "layed back/non-closure" attitude toward life. It worked for me. Before that I was as "antsy" as anybody on this board.

Things down there seldom work and when they do, they don't work on time or work up to expectations. Folks down there say...."You Gringos say that time is money. We Latinos say that time is life". They relax, enjoy life and take each day at it comes. You either learn to live that way or else you slit your wrist. That is about the only two options I can think of :-)

I kid about these things, but those four years in South America as a Missionary did more positive things for me than all of the psychology and therapy in the world could do. You wquld be suprised what you can do,and the changes you can make, if you have no choice. Just ask the boys that have been through Marine Boot Camp.

Human beings are not a fixed essence, but a dynamic process and we are in control of that process and can change anything we truly want to change. Nothing is cast in stone...folks just like to take the easy way and the easy way is maintain the status quo because change is very, very hard.

[Junior1942]

. . . and the easy way is maintain the status quo because change is very, very hard.
And the older you get, the harder change gets.

[hpdrifter]

patience my ****, I wanna shoot something!

just to paraphrase an old saying.

[garandsrus]

Chargar,

One of the funnier things I saw in Mexico was on New Years Eve in the small town of Mulege on the Baja Peninsula. The policeman on the corner shot his revolver into the air to ring in the new year which I'm sure was a very big deal. The time was 12:05...

John

[Char-Gar]

Chargar,

One of the funnier things I saw in Mexico was on New Years Eve in the small town of Mulege on the Baja Peninsula. The policeman on the corner shot his revolver into the air to ring in the new year which I'm sure was a very big deal. The time was 12:05...

John

Garandrus.... I lived in Quito Ecuador and the New Years tradition there was for each residential block to construct a small shack on the sidewalk and place a strawfilled scarecrow type figure in it to represent the old year. Inside the straw wrtr firecrackers.

The young men in the neighborhood would stretch a rope accross the street and charge a few coins for the cars to pass. One of them would dress up as a woman and would be "la Viuda" (Widow) of the old man. The coins were to go to aid the widow. The widow would then buy booze with the money and a giant party would be had.

At midnight, the old man would be set afire. As he and the shack went up, so did the fireworks. All over the city hundreds if not thousands of the "old men" would go up it was quite a deal.

As far as I know, nothing burned down,. A Fire Marshal stateside would stroke out at such activity.

Much fun was had by all.....

.................................................. ................

It is a Mexican tradition to fire guns into the air at the stroke of midnight. It is very common down here in deep South Texas as well among the Mexican people. Yes folks do get hurt when those bullets fall back to earth. The police try to stop it, but without any sucess. The days before New Years are the largest selling days for ammo in the year.

[mike in co]

Garandrus.... I lived in Quito Ecuador .


chargar....my ex-boss brought me back a t-shirt from the big town near where he grew up....it says......quito !
mike in co

[Ricochet]

I'm not worrying about when my GBs get here. I did stop joining new ones a few months back, though.

[mike in co]

BACK TO THE TOP...cause its still at lee somewhere.........

[Char-Gar]

I received word from Lee today the shipment of molds are due to leave their facilities on October 8th. When they get here, I will open one and do a test cast. If the bullets are within acceptable limits, I will get them out as soon as I can. The labels are ready, but it will take some time to get them taped, labeled, and to the P.O.

If the bullets are not within acceptable limits, I will send the order back with a hot letter and phone call. I don't think the latter will be necessary.

The next post from me will be either...

A. The molds are in the mail and watch your mail box

or

B. The molds have been send back for a redo.

This post is just to let you know this order has not fallen between the cracks or been sucked in a black hole.

[fatnhappy]

well this is certainly a welcome turn of events. :drinks:

[dubber123]

Excellent! I just received the first of at least 8 GB's I'm in on. The 311291 is one of my most anxiously awaited. I hope Lee got it right. Thanks, Chargar.

[Ricochet]

If they're outside of "acceptable limits," perhaps you could let us know before sending them all back with the hot letter? Depending on which way they go, that can be a good thing. Like, I've been wishing for a bullet with a skinny bore rider in the .296-.300" range and body sizable to .308" for my K-31. (Which measures .296" across the lands and .308" across the grooves, with a .308" throat immediately in front of the chamber tapering into the full rifling over about 1/8".) Some folks would think that unacceptable for their standard .30s, and it might be. I was disappointed to find that my fairly recently purchased Lee 200 grain mould put out .312" bodies and .302x.304" bore riders, which is fine and dandy for standard .30s. But I had that special K-31 application in mind. The fat bullet works, but takes positive force to chamber.

[woody1]

Great news, Charles. I will continue patiently waiting. Regards, Woody

[Char-Gar]

Ricochet... Nope not going to do that. I have done several of these group buys and watched many others. When you start a referendum on a certain mold, there is nothing but chaos as a result. Nobody can agree on anything and there is nothing but pain for the Honcho. There are some folks who expect a $200.00 mold for $50.00 and these people can never be pleased. It not my job to please people. It is my job to send in a good drawing, ride heard on Lee and test one mold when it gets here to see if it is in spec. Das all...

There are way to many variable in bullet alloy, melting methods, melt tempreture and casting techniques to have any real uniformity or consensus. I will cast it out of my alloy (a bastard No. 2) in my furnace (Lyman) with my two hand and two eyes and if it comes out as I would expect that is it... What happens when it gets to your hands in not within my control.

Either all of the molds are mailed out or all are sent back to Lee. I don't want to start the business of "how many of you want an out of spec mold". They are all in spec or none in spec.

That is the way I do things..

[Ricochet]

If that happens, I'll watch their surplus page. One can get a good price on returned custom moulds there, if the dimensions suit your needs.

[abunaitoo]

How did they come out?????
Any idea when I might get my grubby hands on this mould?????[smilie=1:

[versifier]

[smilie=1: too.

[Char-Gar]

Boys.. There are not here yet. Do the math! IF they shipped them from Lee on last Monday (10-08), and I don't know if they did, they would have shipped them UPS Ground. UPS doesn't work on weekends. So, that would leave only four days from possible shipping. It takes longer than four days to receive anything from Yankeeland to Deep South Texas if it comes UPS Ground.

I will be out of service for a "medical procedure" Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday. I leave Friday for the weekend. So....do the math and be patient. When there is something to know, I will let you know.

[oldfart]

what difference is there between this mold and a 311299?
mold dummy :)