WI CCW Training Online

[man.electric]

If any WI resident can not remember where they put their hunter's education card, I found that it is faster to take the Maryland Firearms Safety course online then to get a replacement copy of your hunters ed card. The entire course took me about 25 minutes and this course will meet WI requirements for a concealed weapons permit.

http://www.mdgunsafety.com/

[1Shirt]

Would be a real deal if Ne. would do something like this. Instead, we are required to take a 2 day training course (cost $200.00), which does include a couple of hours at the range. No consideration for military training, etc.etc.etc.
More and more bureaucracy!
1Shirt!:coffee:

[MtGun44]

Approximately half the states require some sort of training for CCW and the other
half have nothing required. Zero difference in any of the measurables between
the two groups.

I was on the committee that wrote the training requirements for KS, and made it
a point to keep them reasonable. My two most common comebacks during days
of discussion was "We aren't training Navy SEALs here." and "Anything that would
make it hard for a normal 80 yr old woman to get a license is fundamentally
wrong. "

I personally have paid out of my pocket for a fair bit of training, far beyond what
the state requires. I am not strongly opposed to training, especially explaing the
law to CCW carriers, and I have taught CCW classes, but there is no real evidence to
suggest that people are dangerous in states without class requirements.

If WI only requires Hunter Safety, that is at the very bottom of the training requirements
ladder. KS requires 8 hrs and a range qualification, some require 16 hrs plus range
training and qualification ( separate items). MO requires 8 hrs and range testing for
proof of ability with both a semiauto and revolver. Etc., etc.

Now only Illinois is without any CCW, although functionally Hawaii is technicall a CCW
state but if my information is right, none are ever issued due to the police "just don't
want to".

Bill

[man.electric]

Bill, WI training is modeled after Florida in which any firearms training is accepted for the permit requirement. There was interest in WI to have "Constitution Carry" were no permits/training would be required, but that one was argued away and the Florida model was used as a compromise. There has also been talk of creating two permit classes in WI with the second class requiring more training so that WI residents permits would be recognized in more states, but that will be down the road some.

I have the NRA basic pistol course under my belt already so the Maryland deal was just out of personal interest. It is ran by the Maryland State Police and you get a nifty little card to print out and add to your accolades.

[Rockydog]

I lost my card years ago but wanted it for use to meet requirements for some other states non resident licensing. I contacted the DNR and they sent me a new one in a couple of days. Their records go back a ways too. I got mine in 1968. RD

[GREENCOUNTYPETE]

my card fell apart years ago , they wouldn't sell me my hunting license without it one year , a call to the dnr an i had one in the mail the next week

i just wish they were more than a piece of card stock paper , but i laminated it and it has held up much better now

I will be interested in the details of the permitting process as they come out I will have the training exemption from the sounds of it, but they have said October or November before they have the system ready , my personal thought is if you require training people will do the minimum , if you don't a few people will get none at all while most will get more than would have been required.

it was important that they keep it simple , many of the supporters of this bill want nothing to do with a gun, but it will finally be legal for people to carry pepper spray with the permit when i called my state senator his secretary was very excited about the bill even though her boss wasn't , because she could carry a tazer , this is probably a good part of the reason that all 8 democrat women of the senate voted for this , while their male party members did not give it as much support.

[white eagle]

there is a age limit for having to have a H.S.certification
any thought go to the fellas and gals that did not need H.S ?

[Jim]

If any WI resident can not remember where they put their hunter's education card, I found that it is faster to take the Maryland Firearms Safety course online then to get a replacement copy of your hunters ed card. The entire course took me about 25 minutes and this course will meet WI requirements for a concealed weapons permit. http://www.mdgunsafety.com/

Online courses are a loaded gun and can have a positive or negative effect, depending on which end you're standing.

Virginia will recognize this particular course and a lot like it. That's good for the consumer, especially if it's free for the asking. Not so good for the instructors, though. Online courses are putting us out of business.

I stay in touch with about a half dozen or so instructors in a hundred mile radius. I swapped emails with one about a month or so back and he told me he hadn't had a request for a class since April or so.

I went by the Floyd County courthouse recently and stopped in the Clerk of Court's office to speak to Mr. Wendell (Wendell Peters, CoC). I asked him how he stood on my business cards and he told me he had not had any requests for information on local instructors. He did mention, though, that applications are on the rise. Seems everyone is discovering online courses.

So much for Floyd Gun School.

[GREENCOUNTYPETE]

Online courses are a loaded gun and can have a positive or negative effect, depending on which end you're standing.

Virginia will recognize this particular course and a lot like it. That's good for the consumer, especially if it's free for the asking. Not so good for the instructors, though. Online courses are putting us out of business.

I stay in touch with about a half dozen or so instructors in a hundred mile radius. I swapped emails with one about a month or so back and he told me he hadn't had a request for a class since April or so.

I went by the Floyd County courthouse recently and stopped in the Clerk of Court's office to speak to Mr. Wendell (Wendell Peters, CoC). I asked him how he stood on my business cards and he told me he had not had any requests for information on local instructors. He did mention, though, that applications are on the rise. Seems everyone is discovering online courses.

So much for Floyd Gun School.

as much as i think training especially training by a good instructor is great , if your not flush with cash and i don't know what your charging , and find you have a new unwanted admirer (stalker) or are now working nights and coming home at all hours
all i am saying if it was my daughter who suddenly had a problem like that and not the time to wait for permits or the cash to take formal training from an instructor i would want to be able to hand her a 38 , take her to the range for an few hours and have her much more ready than she was without a government agency in the way. or for that matter even pepper spray , which women of this state have been carrying illegal for years my wife did over a decade ago after they failed to pass concealed carry then

I have told all my kids they will take hunters safety , if they ever touch a gun after that it is up to them. i have one daughter who says she has no interest , that until she sees her brothers target , and steps up to the line to out do him.

[GREENCOUNTYPETE]

there is a age limit for having to have a H.S.certification
any thought go to the fellas and gals that did not need H.S ?

hunters safety is one of many things that will fulfill the training requirement if say you took the Florida or Utah class , were in the armed services , or had a hunters safety from another state.

the age for hunter safety it was needed by any one born on or after Jan 1 1973 in order to purchase a hunting license, but that doesn't mean the majority of people under 38 have them.

[Jim]

as much as i think training especially training by a good instructor is great , if your not flush with cash and i don't know what your charging , and find you have a new unwanted admirer (stalker) or are now working nights and coming home at all hours.....

Pete, I'm not following all of that, but with respect to my fees, I'm charging $25 less than any instructor within a hundred miles of me and the online courses are beating me by $10.
Plus, people are discovering that they can take the online course in the comfort and privacy of their home with nothing more than a valid credit card. No class schedule to meet, no traveling to the class location, no live fire required and they can complete the course in a little over an hour instead of 8 hours.

[Bad Water Bill]

Approximately half the states require some sort of training for CCW and the other
half have nothing required. Zero difference in any of the measurables between
the two groups.

I was on the committee that wrote the training requirements for KS, and made it
a point to keep them reasonable. My two most common comebacks during days
of discussion was "We aren't training Navy SEALs here." and "Anything that would
make it hard for a normal 80 yr old woman to get a license is fundamentally
wrong. "

I personally have paid out of my pocket for a fair bit of training, far beyond what
the state requires. I am not strongly opposed to training, especially explaing the
law to CCW carriers, and I have taught CCW classes, but there is no real evidence to
suggest that people are dangerous in states without class requirements.

If WI only requires Hunter Safety, that is at the very bottom of the training requirements
ladder. KS requires 8 hrs and a range qualification, some require 16 hrs plus range
training and qualification ( separate items). MO requires 8 hrs and range testing for
proof of ability with both a semiauto and revolver. Etc., etc.

Now only Illinois is without any CCW, although functionally Hawaii is technicall a CCW
state but if my information is right, none are ever issued due to the police "just don't
want to".

Bill

IF we ever get CCW here you will probably need at least 40 hours class room training for a fee of about $1,000 and testing plus 1K rounds down range, plus a 1 million dollar insurance policy plus anything else to keep us from getting our god given rights.

[GREENCOUNTYPETE]

Pete, I'm not following all of that, but with respect to my fees, I'm charging $25 less than any instructor within a hundred miles of me and the online courses are beating me by $10.
Plus, people are discovering that they can take the online course in the comfort and privacy of their home with nothing more than a valid credit card. No class schedule to meet, no traveling to the class location, no live fire required and they can complete the course in a little over an hour instead of 8 hours.

Jim I can respect that your charging a reasonable fee for the service you offer, it is my personal belief that while training is great and i take what i can , i have self educated my self an awful lot more than any class room even the good ones have taught me, i have also gotten training from friends and relatives along the way.

but it is also my personal belief that concealed carry is a god given right to self defense , and that governments should keep out of it , training models are one of 2 things typically A verifying you know the absolute minimum amount of information for a specific subject so that you can be better held accountable if you do something wrong or 2 a plan by someone to make a buck mandating something that specifically figures into what they can make money on almost a pay to play.

i get wanting people to have proper safety procedures and practices , but i don't get doing it in a way that causes accessibility issues

i supported constitutional carry because while i want everyone to have great training , we have not seen any major safety issues in other states that have constitutional carry. so lacking reasonable concern about public safety i prefer to promote accessibility. so as an example that if the single mom working 2 jobs and barely getting by needs to carry to ensure the safety of her and her kids in the neighborhood she is working hard to get out of , then so be it why tax her safety. why tax my safety or any ones.

i can tell you from the press release that one of the most liberal states senators in the state issues that she voted for concealed carry in it's passed form to give her constituents living in metro Milwaukee personal protection choices , the choices they wanted

why it "needed" to be a permitted system say our legislature was because of the gun free school zone laws both federal and state , the state law specified no guns within 1000 feet of the farthest edge of a school property , but these boundary are not marked police have to measure them when they want to charge someone , some cities had drawn maps to the nearest street in many parts of Milwaukee there are miles wear it is impossible to stay 1000 feet from a school

I should point out that Wisconsin has maintained legal open carry since she received statehood in 1848 , the restrictions were location based like schools court houses and such.

one of the contributing factors to passing concealed carry has been the revival of open carry , open carry still requires no permit . no training , and is still just as legal today and in 6 moths as it was last year or in 1848.
during this revival of open carry there were no issues with public safety so if it is legal and always has been to carry openly with no permit why should things change when a jacket covers the holstered gun

[man.electric]

The clear and concise details of WI's new access to our rights.

[Lloyd Smale]

i gave the course in mich. It was a two day course for us. It about nessesitated you have have two instructors to give it right. We charged a 100 bucks and that included lunch both days and snacks and drinks. Plus the course books cost about 50 bucks per person. Average class was about 6 people. After one year of it we both decided that it just wasnt worth tieing up a weekend and making maybe a 100 bucks a piece and thats only if you got at least 6 people. If you factor in all of this, at least in MI you should thank your instructor as hes doing more of a favor for you then making money. We give maybe one or at the most two courses a year now and only when a group of people we actually know get together and ask us. We no just charge them for there books and there on there own for meals and snacks. We havent done one since about this time last year and as far as im conserned if another never comes up id be happy. Anohter thing we allways did for free is extra range instruction for people that had never handled guns or wanted more time shooting with an instructor. Heck wed have usually one or two out of a class that wanted extra time and wed spend a day with them at the range with our guns and even our ammo. So dont think all those instructors are out to take your money. In most cases your getting a real bargin.

[dalebernstein]

Just a few points.. also see http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=6978

Provides that proof of training may also be met by submitting any of the following:
�� Documentation that the applicant completed military, law enforcement, or security training that gave the applicant experience with firearms that is substantially equivalent to a course described above (determined by DOJ);
�� Documentation of completion of small arms training while serving in the Armed Forces as demonstrated by an honorable discharge or general discharge under honorable conditions;
�� A copy of a certificate of completion of military basic training with a service record of successful completion of small arms training and certification;
�� A copy of a current or expired concealed weapons license issued by another jurisdiction.
�� Clarifies that DOJ may not require the firing of live ammunition to meet the training requirement.
Specifies that proof of training may be met by providing a copy of a document that indicates that the applicant completed any of the following:
�� A hunter education program recognized by the Department of Natural Resources;
�� A firearms safety or training course that is conducted by a firearms instructor who is certified by a national or state organization that certifies firearms instructors or who is certified by DOJ (includes NRA certified instructors);
�� A firearms safety or training course that is conducted by a national or state organization that certifies firearms instructors (includes NRA);
�� A firearms safety or training course that is available to the public and is offered by a law enforcement agency or, if the course is taught by an instructor who is certified by a national or state organization that certifies firearms instructors or by DOJ, by a technical college, a college or university, a private or public institution or organization, or a firearms training school;
�� A firearms safety or training course that is offered to law enforcement officers or to owners

[Jim]

Looks very much like Virginia's stipulations.

[man.electric]

Just a few points.. also see http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=6978





I thought I posted the link last night, but I must have forgotten how to paste....

[GREENCOUNTYPETE]

I think instructors are great , I myself am a volunteer instructor in shooting sports

Lloyd ,i only serve to make the argument that , mandatory instruction serves as , an issue to access
that it doesn't statistically make the public any safer than a state not mandating class room training over X number of hours.

there have been businesses that provided training that were basically salivating at the idea that everyone would be required to take training of a high enough level that it would have to be done at a specific type of facility and bring them revenue , i think training is good but it shouldn't serve as a hurdle to access

it sounds like you were providing a real service , and in the end you came to the conclusion that for the small amount made you might as well just charge for the books and volunteer your time.

it may be hard enough for some one to scrape together 300 for a gun and 40-50 for a good holster 40 for shells 50 for a permit fee it doesn't mean they aren't worth the protection.

hunters safety here is that way , instructors are almost all volunteers , volunteers tend to be the people you couldn't afford to pay enough but are there because they want to be.

[dalebernstein]

I agree. Volunteers are the main line of instructors out there and they deserve grand thanks! The Maryland on line venue would seem to qualify for those of us here in WI. However, as most would agree, an actual live/face to face course is the way to go, and especially with consideration to CCW. Those of us who have had service training, can provide our DD214's, however I would still urge a refresher.

[man.electric]

I would like to assume that most boolit casters out there do not need safety training in the safe handling of a firearm. Most casters have been around rifles, pistols and shotguns most of their lives it seems. And many here(myself included) have seen or experienced accidental discharges, safety failures, or any of the other SNAFUs that come with firearm ownership and I would like to think that we all know enough not to point a firearm at anything we do not instead to put a hole in. I have plenty of training and am qualified to teach pistol safety, but I do not feel that the NRA Basic Pistol class would teach most members here anything they don't already know.

[gutshot_again]

You can also go online to WI's DNR and print out a copy of your Hunter certificate. Believe it was $2.75 - and I got mine about 20 years ago.

[cajun shooter]

If I may as a former POST Firearms Instructor say just a few words about this subject. I have taught thousands of Police Officers in various settings which included standard range training, SWAT training, Shoot Don't Shoot, and many others. I have been required to testify in court as a expert witness in shootings that resulted in death.
The problem with any course that has been posted is that I failed to read any material that said the students were instructed by a qualified person such as a Law Professor, or District Attorney on the laws of THE USE OF DEADLY FORCE.
You will have a split second to decide if you are right or wrong and the courts will have months or years in both criminal and civil court to decide if your training was enough to use that weapon. I would not feel well unless I knew that my instructors could pass the test of raising that right hand. Later David

[Charlie Two Tracks]

Wait a minute! Aren't all you guys and gals in Iowa and Wisconsin supposed to be shot by now? That's what the news said and that's what our goverment officials say here in Illinois! You should need no permit because there should be no one left......

[Blacksmith]

It's a good basic introduction/safety course that has nothing to do with CCW. In Maryland you need a class like this just to own a "Regulated Firearm". This includes legal (on the Handgun Control Board list) handguns and "Assault Rifles", "Assault Pistols" are banned.

As far as CCW goes in Maryland it effectively does not exist. Yes Maryland law says you can carry but virtually no one can get a permit. To carry in Maryland you need to prove to the State Police that:


Based on the results of an investigation, has demonstrated a “good and substantial reason” to carry a handgun, including a finding that the permit is “necessary as a reasonable precaution against apprehended danger.”

To put that in perspective, say five years ago someone in front of witnesses said "I'm gonna kill you as soon as I can." and he is going to be released from prison next month. Because that threat was long ago it is not a “good and substantial reason”. Also if you happen to be politically connected enough to get a permit don't loose your connections or you will use your permit.

For all you CCW holders from resonable states Maryland does not recoginze your permit. Maryland has no reciprocity with any other states except for on duty armored car personnel.

So if Maryland's online class helps CCW owners great.

Blacksmith

[deltaenterprizes]

If I may as a former POST Firearms Instructor say just a few words about this subject. I have taught thousands of Police Officers in various settings which included standard range training, SWAT training, Shoot Don't Shoot, and many others. I have been required to testify in court as a expert witness in shootings that resulted in death.
The problem with any course that has been posted is that I failed to read any material that said the students were instructed by a qualified person such as a Law Professor, or District Attorney on the laws of THE USE OF DEADLY FORCE.
You will have a split second to decide if you are right or wrong and the courts will have months or years in both criminal and civil court to decide if your training was enough to use that weapon. I would not feel well unless I knew that my instructors could pass the test of raising that right hand. Later David


Amen brother, knowledge of the legal use of deadly force is critical .

[timbuck]

http://www.doj.state.wi.us/dles/cib/ConcealedCarry/ConcealedCarry.asp

I just found this. It should spell out what the law requires.

[SSGOldfart]

Tx requires 10hours classroom with a couple hours on the range,we did it in one day . it did cost about $200 each. and I got a big discount for Military training about $70 cheaper with a copy of your DD214.

[SSGOldfart]

Tx requires 10hours classroom with a couple hours on the range,we did it in one day . it did cost about $200 each. and I got a big discount for Military training about $70 cheaper with a copy of your DD214.I still took the whole course.

[ernpudd]

Re: Maryland Gun Safety Course,
Has anybody tryed using this inWisconsin to get a permit?

ernpudd

[GREENCOUNTYPETE]

Re: Maryland Gun Safety Course,
Has anybody tryed using this inWisconsin to get a permit?

ernpudd



I don't know if any one has i wouldn't , I said there would be volunteer trainers and free or free will donation training , that meets or exceeds the requirements.

Wisconsin Carry Inc. has done just that offering new training opportunities every week all over the state.

also many local places are offering the training for a reasonable charge put on by local gun shops , clubs and other local organizations.

the discussion early in this thread was that any one providing training prior to nov 1 was speculating on what would be acceptable training.

i don't twit , i get my notices in email , but they post the upcoming training on twitter http://twitter.com/#!/wisconsincarry