Shellholder question

[BCall]

I received a shell holder in with some other stuff, and am at a loss as to what it fits. Maybe someone else will have an idea.

It is a standard snap in shell holder, but it is a very large size. It is the same diameter as the ram on my Rockchucker press, and it's only mark is 19. It is blued and I have no idea who made it. My first thought was for a shotgun, but it is too small for 20 ga, and too big to fit 28 ga. Looks to be for a rimmed case, anybody got an idea on what it might fit? Thanks, Billy

[scrapcan]

Billy,

Take a picture and post here or send to Pressman. He did a great article on many types of shellholders in a past ARTCA newsletter.

It could be a shellholder for a Lachmiller press/priming unit. I will have to see if I can find the 30-06 shellholder that Floodgate gave me.

[BCall]

Thanks, here are the pics. It is right at 1" in diameter with a .250 hole in the center. Looks like it should fit a rim size of ROUGHLY .810. I don't know how to measure it accurately.

I also posted the pics of the Redhead press that I forgot to post. Much appreciated, Billy
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh259/blcall/SN851609.jpg
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh259/blcall/SN851610.jpg

[flashhole]

Looks like a shotshell holder.

[GOPHER SLAYER]

On my shellholder cross referance chart the only # 19 is made by Redding and is for the 444 Marlin No one else lists a #19. In the picture your shellholder looks much too large for a rifle cartridge.

[scrapcan]

Billy,

Send pressman a pm or email. He may be a bit busy at the moment, I think they were moving into a new domicile over the weekend.

[dragonrider]

I believe the one I have for my 45/70 is marked #19. It is large like the one you pictured. I am at work right now so I can't be 100% sure. check when I get home.

[Doby45]

On my shellholder cross referance chart the only # 19 is made by Redding and is for the 444 Marlin No one else lists a #19. In the picture your shellholder looks much too large for a rifle cartridge.

You musta missed the Lee #19 which is for 40cal.

[bumpo628]

You musta missed the Lee #19 which is for 40cal.

The Lee #19 is also for:
30 Luger
30 Mauser
9mm Luger
38 Super
39 ACP
40 Smith & Wesson
10mm Auto
41 Action Express
9mm Makarov

[BruceB]

Also, an RCBS 19 fits the .30 Remington/6.8 SPC, and a Lyman 19 fits .30 carbine.

Whatever chart was used in looking for this #19 seems to be lacking.

GREAT photos!

[Doby45]

Thanks bumpo, was just making the point that Lee made a #19 also, but thanks for the clarification.

[Moonie]

I have a 19 shell plate for my loadmaster that I use for 6.8 SPC as well.

[Doby45]

Yhea and the Lee #19 will also do 357SIG..

[bumpo628]

I thought the numbers were standardized sizes. So, does each manufacturer come up with their own system or are they actually standardized (except the shellholder in the OP's picture of course)?

From all of the "19 works in ____" posts, it seems like all of those calibers have the same size base. What we are obviously lacking is a chart that lists all the possibilities.

[flashhole]

There are lots of shell holder cross-reference charts you can find on line. There is no set standard for numbering.

[dragonrider]

I was wr......wr.......w.w.....wrrong, the one I have is #14, RCBS, it 1 inch in dimeter as compared to the standard holders that are .800".

[GOPHER SLAYER]

No Doby 45, I didn't miss shellholder 19 on my shellholder cross referance chart because it isn't there. The chart only lists rifle cartridges. It does list the few cartridges that were used in both rifle and pistol such as 32.20, 38.40 and 44.40. I don't have a cross referanc chart for pistol cartridges. I believe there is such a chart available on this web site. As I stated before, in the picture at least, the shell holder looks much to large to be for a pistol cartridge.

[BCB]

BCall indicated a rim size of ~ .810"...

That sure ain't a rifle or handgun cartridge, that I know of...

Most likely a shotgun case as someone else mentioned...

I didn't measure the brass on a shotgun hull, but that is just a thougt...

The #19's from standard shellholders ain't even close to that "club" that BCall has...

BCB

[BCall]

Thanks guys! I too think it looks like a shotgun size, but like I said, it is too small for 20 ga and to big to fit 28 ga, so in between would be 24 ga? Maybe for a 577/450 or 577 snider? Anybody know the rim size for them? I don't have anything bigger than 45-70. Or maybe a old Nitro Express round? Much appreciated, Billy

[BCB]

I looked in Cartridges Of The World and a 600 Nitro Express is 0.805" rim diameter!!!...

Now that's a cartridge. It shoots a 900 grain slug with muzzle energy of 7600 foot pounds...

Used for elephants the artical indicates...

BCB

[Mk42gunner]

I received a shell holder in with some other stuff, and am at a loss as to what it fits. Maybe someone else will have an idea.

It is a standard snap in shell holder, but it is a very large size. It is the same diameter as the ram on my Rockchucker press, and it's only mark is 19. It is blued and I have no idea who made it. My first thought was for a shotgun, but it is too small for 20 ga, and too big to fit 28 ga. Looks to be for a rimmed case, anybody got an idea on what it might fit? Thanks, Billy


Thanks, here are the pics. It is right at 1" in diameter with a .250 hole in the center. Looks like it should fit a rim size of ROUGHLY .810. I don't know how to measure it accurately.
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Your first post and second are somewhat contradictory. I just went and put the chinese dial caliper on three shotgun shell rims: 20 Ga= .760", 16 Ga= .810", and 12 Ga= .880". Rim thickness could keep a case from going into the shellholder. However a shotshell primer won't pass through a 1/4" hole.

My first thought was one of the .577 calibers since some of them can be made from 24 Ga brass, but Cartridges of the World put that thought to rest.

With a measurement of .810" a .50 BMG might fit, but once again the primer diameter comes into play. I don't have any .50 brass laying around, but if memory serves, the primer is about 1/3 of an inch.

BCB might just win the prize with his guess of the .600 Nitro Express, any body know the primer size for one of them?

Robert

[flashhole]

Mk - I don't think you are correct about primer size on a shot shell. They don't look near that big to me.

[bumpo628]

Mk - I don't think you are correct about primer size on a shot shell. They don't look near that big to me.

I just measured a shotshell primer at .308".

[BCall]

Mk- You are correct. I have some cross information. I tried to get a 20 ga to fit the shell holder and it would not fit. but it is not the rim that is the problem, it is the case head just above the rim that stops it. The rim slot does appear to be wide enough to fit the 20 ga brass rim, but the diameter of the case head just forward of the rim is .692 on the brass hulls I have. But the shellholder is only about .660 wide above the rim. So I guess I'm really looking for a rimmed case with a relatively large rim and a case head diameter of just under .660.

The hole is too small for a shotshell primer to fit through it too, so I guess an older blackpowder or nitro express round must be it. Thanks much, Billy

[scrapcan]

Just to reiterate, with these old shellholders there is no standard numbering. What one has to do is track down the maker and then find the listing for their equipment.

Billy,

I will try to get the ARTCA article for you this weekend. Expect and email.

[Mk42gunner]

It ia really starting to sound like a shellholder for one of the .577 cartridges. I forgot about casehead diameter above the rim.

CotW has the .577s having the following dimensions: rim- .748" base- .660"

" " .600 rim- .805" base- .697"

Both take a Berdan primer of .254"

Another thing I didn't look at was how much clearance a shellholder has for the brass it is desgned for.

Robert